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Madeleine McCann

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  • #7402
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/maddie/id1453778697?i=1000431002597

    The Australian award winning podcast on Madeline. Just starting to listen to it now. 10 episodes.

    What award did the “Australian” documentary win?


  • #7403
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Can someone please give me a half believable OVERALL story that involves the parents being involved in their child’s disappearance...please!!


    ???? Anyone??? Limnam???

    Just give me something, a theory that involves how, why and if the child was killed by the parents., how they hid the body, how they convinced their friends to help them cover it up or if they all planned it from the start..

    There’s lots of comments about the McCanns hanging around with a paedo and the lies they told.. lots of smart comments about the little details, not once have I heard a half credible theory of how the whole thing played out...

    Don't know why you're asking me.

    I've no clue who did it.


  • #7404
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    I've noticed you repost this numerous times now.

    I asked you before on what dates did they say the may be alive and on what dates did they say they had concrete proof. They are sequential statements.

    You didn't actually answer me before, so I've googled it for you:

    14th June: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/madeleine-mccann-alive-german-prosecutor-hope-a4468486.html

    This is the last date the German prosecuter is reported as saying there may be a slim chance she's alive, as they do not have 'forensic' evidence she is dead; i.e; a body.

    This is the last date in which this statement is made. Thereafter, they say there is concrete evidence she is dead and state they have written to the McCanns to inform of this, although they are clear that they have not disclosed to them how they know this.

    We learn subsequently that USB images of child abuse were found, over 8000 of them. Is this the proof? Is Madeleine on one or more of those images? Again, we do not know. The Germans are not going to spill what evidence they have to the general public and likely scupper a trial in the future.

    What we do know, is that after the 14th June, there are no more statements from the Germans saying that Madeleine might be alive. There are no maybe dead/maybe alive concurrent statements. They say she is dead.

    Not sure why you're aiming all that nonsense at me

    They said they had concrete evidence she was dead

    They also said she was maybe alive

    No need to keep pulling me up on anything

    The above is factual and correct.


  • #7405
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Can someone please give me a half believable OVERALL story that involves the parents being involved in their child’s disappearance...please!!


    ???? Anyone??? Limnam???

    Just give me something, a theory that involves how, why and if the child was killed by the parents., how they hid the body, how they convinced their friends to help them cover it up or if they all planned it from the start..

    There’s lots of comments about the McCanns hanging around with a paedo and the lies they told.. lots of smart comments about the little details, not once have I heard a half credible theory of how the whole thing played out...

    Trained anaesthetist Kate sedated the kids with calpol but accidentally gave Madeleine too much. This killed her but they got scared cos they didn't want to lose their jobs so they hid her body in a tennis bag, or was it a fridge? Or a church? Not sure.. anyway Gerry carried Madeleine’s dead body in broad daylight down to the beach, he was almost spotted but seems to have gotten away with it. Phew. That was close. He dumped her somewhere, maybe in the sea, not sure. He then got back to the apartment and they filled in the rest of the group and asked them to cover up the death. They were like yeah grand cool, no probs. They then convinced them to leave their kids alone after this horrific event and join them for dinner where they could hatch a plan.

    After pretending to check on the kids a few times Kate then said I better get off my hole here lads and raise the alarm wink wink. They then carried on the charade for thirteen years because lols. Oh yeah and Kate never went back to work so jaysus that was all a waste of time wasn’t it. Oh yeah and some shlte about a D notice.

    But look that’s just me being neutral about things ok.


  • #7406
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The parents did it
    limnam wrote: »
    Don't know why you're asking me.

    I've no clue who did it.

    Correct. And what some forget, anybody includes the parent.


  • #7407
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Correct. And what some forget, anybody includes the parent.

    Hi LorenzoB, your post isn’t very clear.. what do you mean?


  • #7408
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    OwlsZat wrote: »
    The McCanns weren't misfortunate they left the property-wide open. My girlfriend left her apartment a jar once and her MacBook was stolen. Would you call her misfortunate? She found sympathy in exceptionally short supply...

    Banana Republic, daretodream, immortal straight, Limnam....

    You all thanked the above post.. would yis all mind if I ask why you thanked it?

    The post says the McCanns were not misfortunate that their daughter was stolen because they left the door unlocked...

    The post then likens the 3 year old child to a MacBook, as in they deserved to have their child taken because they left them their with the door unlocked..?

    Do yis really believe they deserved to have their child taken because of their actions? Genuine question, please don’t ignore or reply without actually answering the question.. thanks


  • #7409
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Banana Republic, daretodream, immortal straight, Limnam....

    You all thanked the above post.. would yis all mind if I ask why you thanked it?

    The post says the McCanns were not misfortunate that their daughter was stolen because they left the door unlocked...

    The post then likens the 3 year old child to a MacBook, as in they deserved to have their child taken because they left them their with the door unlocked..?

    Do yis really believe they deserved to have their child taken because of their actions? Genuine question, please don’t ignore or reply without actually answering the question.. thanks

    I don't think I need to explain why I choose to or not to thank any post.

    Nonsense.

    I think it's pretty clear my thoughts on their reckless negligence which looks like it led to the raping and murder of a 3yr old

    If there's any doubt. Re-read the thread.


  • #7410
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Don't know why you're asking me.

    I've no clue who did it.

    I know you don’t know who did it..

    I’m asking you for your theory of what happened.. we have spent a lot of time sharing opinions on here and you go to great lengths to point out how the parents should be suspects, how odd their behaviour is and you are very quick to dismiss CB as a suspect.

    Now don’t be like Callmehall, he spent weeks telling me all the evidence points to the parents, he voted in the poll that the parents did it and then he got all bum hurt when I suggested he thought the parents did it! Your not going to pull that one are you?


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  • #7411
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Not sure why you're aiming all that nonsense at me

    They said they had concrete evidence she was dead

    They also said she was maybe alive

    No need to keep pulling me up on anything

    The above is factual and correct.

    No, no...read my post again.

    You know what, never mind. It's pointless.


  • #7412
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    I know you don’t know who did it..

    I’m asking you for your theory of what happened.. we have spent a lot of time sharing opinions on here and you go to great lengths to point out how the parents should be suspects, how odd their behaviour is and you are very quick to dismiss CB as a suspect.

    Now don’t be like Callmehall, he spent weeks telling me all the evidence points to the parents, he voted in the poll that the parents did it and then he got all bum hurt when I suggested he thought the parents did it! Your not going to pull that one are you?

    No theories here.

    I haven't a fcking iota.

    Also, I don't recall dmissing CB

    I'd say the last time I commented on it was I was very open to it being him


  • #7413
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    No, no...read my post again.

    You know what, never mind. It's pointless.

    No no.

    Read mine.

    It's factual and correct.


  • #7414
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    dark crystal wrote: »
    No, no...read my post again.

    You know what, never mind. It's pointless.

    I mean if people can’t even follow the very basic chronological order of reports then what else are they struggling to grasp? It doesn’t bode well.


  • #7415
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I don't think I need to explain why I choose to or not to thank any post.

    Nonsense.

    I think it's pretty clear my thoughts on their reckless negligence which looks like it led to the raping and murder of a 3yr old

    If there's any doubt. Re-read the thread.

    Of course you don’t need to explain.

    That’s why I said ‘would yis mind if I asked why’

    I politely asked if yis would mind explaining why you thanked that particular post.

    I dislike the McCanns reckless negligence also but I would certainly never agree with someone that suggested they were not misfortunate their daughter was stolen because they left the door unlocked..

    They got what they deserved did they


  • #7416
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/maddie/id1453778697?i=1000431002597

    The Australian award winning podcast on Madeline. Just starting to listen to it now. 10 episodes.

    What award did the “Australian” documentary win?


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  • #7417
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The parents did it
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Hi LorenzoB, your post isn’t very clear.. what do you mean?

    There is as much evidence for any suspect, parent included, to harm the child. There is as much for the parent as there is for the german man, that is, circumstances


  • #7418
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    They got what they deserved did they

    I don't believe any action was taking against them for their reckless and negligent behavior.

    So no. They did not get what they deserved


  • #7419
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    No theories here.

    I haven't a fcking iota.

    Also, I don't recall dmissing CB

    I'd say the last time I commented on it was I was very open to it being him

    Oh sorry, was it not you that said a few times, something like ‘a guy told a guy he knew what happened to Madeline when he was drunk, so what’ ‘drunk guy talks sh*t, case closed’

    Apologies if you never insinuated CB’s drunk confession that he knew what happened to Madeline was a whole load of nothing...but did you?


  • #7420
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Oh sorry, was it not you that said a few times, something like ‘a guy told a guy he knew what happened to Madeline when he was drunk, so what’ ‘drunk guy talks sh*t, case closed’

    Apologies if you never insinuated CB’s drunk confession that he knew what happened to Madeline was a whole load of nothing...but did you?

    I was dismissing of what random guy said in a pub sure.

    That doesn't mean I'm not open to CB being the abductor / murder.

    But you keep cracking on :)


  • #7421
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I don't believe any action was taking against them for their reckless and negligent behavior.

    So no. They did not get what they deserved

    Hey so you snipped out the most important part of my post.. how come?

    You thanked a post that said the McCanns were not misfortunate that their daughter was taken because they left the door open...

    Do you mind me asking, do you really believe they were not misfortunate their daughter was taken just because they left the door open


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  • #7422
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I was dismissing of what random guy said in a pub sure.

    That doesn't mean I'm not open to CB being the abductor / murder.

    But you keep cracking on :)

    Oh that’s fair enough.

    And I certainly will!!


  • #7423
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Hey so you snipped out the most important part of my post.. how come?

    It wasn't important to me.


  • #7424
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    It wasn't important to me.

    You do know that everyone that reads this thread can see that you, Daretodream, Immortal straight and Banana Republic thanked Owlzat’s post that said the McCanns were not unlucky their child was taken because they left the door unlocked..

    I’m just giving yis the opportunity to clarify why you thanked it because it sounds like yis are agreeing with the idea that they deserved their child to be... in your own words ‘raped and murdered’


  • #7425
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    You do know that everyone that reads this thread can see that you, Daretodream, Immortal straight and Banana Republic thanked Owlzat’s post that said the McCanns were not unlucky their child was taken because they left the door unlocked..
    ’

    I've been around a bit.

    I know how the thank system works.

    No further clarification is required.

    Thanks for pointing it out though


  • #7426
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Hi Banana Republic, daretodream and immortal Straight,

    Would any of yis mind talking about why yis thanked Owlzats post that said the McCanns were not misfortunate their child was taken because they left the door unlocked?

    The post compared it to someone who left their door unlocked, had their MacBook stolen and got no sympathy..

    It seems to me the post assumes they deserved their child to be abducted...

    I was surprised when I read it and I was quite shocked to see 4 people had thanked it.

    I just wanted to get your thoughts on it, maybe I’m missing something or reading it the wrong way. Cheers


  • #7427
    Immortal Starlight
    Registered Users Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭Immortal Starlight


    Something Else
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Hi Banana Republic, daretodream and immortal Straight,

    Would any of yis mind talking about why yis thanked Owlzats post that said the McCanns were not misfortunate their child was taken because they left the door unlocked?

    The post compared it to someone who left their door unlocked, had their MacBook stolen and got no sympathy..

    It seems to me the post assumes they deserved their child to be abducted...

    I was surprised when I read it and I was quite shocked to see 4 people had thanked it.

    I just wanted to get your thoughts on it, maybe I’m missing something or reading it the wrong way. Cheers

    I think you are looking at the situation the wrong way around. What you really should be asking is did little Madeleine deserve what she got. I think we all know the answer to that.


  • #7428
    flasher0030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Immortal Starlight wrote: »
    I think you are looking at the situation the wrong way around. What you really should be asking is did little Madeleine deserve what she got. I think we all know the answer to that.

    Can you not just answer the question that was put to you. Rock didn't ask did Madelaine deserve it. We all know she didn't. Just answer the question, and stop trying to act like a politician - deflecting questions.


  • #7429
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    This is about trying to figure out what happened to Madeleine. For some of us, all possibilities are open. It could have been a huge number of people. Others are just here to say it wasn't the McCanns and they are obsessed with it. You need to have an open mind in cases like this.


  • #7430
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Immortal Starlight wrote: »
    I think you are looking at the situation the wrong way around. What you really should be asking is did little Madeleine deserve what she got. I think we all know the answer to that.

    I think everyone here can agree the Madeline didn’t deserve what happened to her.. the McCann parents should have protected her from this, they should have been there or made sure somebody else was there with the children.

    I know all of the above..

    However like I said I was more than a little shocked to read that somebody thinks the McCanns were not misfortunate to have their daughter taken because they left the door unlocked, then to see four people thanked the post....

    That’s why I asked each of you why you thanked it, what part of the post you liked or agreed with.

    Do you really think they were not misfortunate because they left the door unlocked?

    The poster says their girlfriends MacBook was stolen and she got no sympathy because she left the door unlocked....

    Hey listen you can make like Limnam and not answer the question if you like but you guys are on an anonymous internet chat room sharing opinions, I’m only asking because I presumed yis are here to talk ...


  • #7431
    flasher0030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    This is about trying to figure out what happened to Madeleine. For some of us, all possibilities are open. It could have been a huge number of people. Others are just here to say it wasn't the McCanns and they are obsessed with it. You need to have an open mind in cases like this.

    Really. You need to figure out what happened the girl. Maybe you think that through discussions on this forum, little fabrications here, few lies there about the parents that you might be able to solve it behind your laptop. The modern day Sherlock Holmes. I don't live in a fantasy world. I know the parents didn't do it. I'm sure there are parents in this world who are capable of something like this, but they are few and far between. For parents to do this and be able to cover it up would need to be a type of human being that has some level of psychological issues. Kate and Gerry McCann's lives have been scrutinised inside out. If there were any personality disorders, it would be well outed.
    I know they didn't do it because I have 2 little kids. And if anything happened to them like happened to their little girl, you can't suppress it, return to dinner and carry on as if nothing happened.

    Anyone on here that has kids will know that.


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  • #7432
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Listening to the podcast and only halfway through.

    The Zapata case The Mc Canns held up to show Dogs aren’t good at their jobs and the pointed out various random places years later which was dismissed but then a year later Zapata admitted to killing and dismembering his wife and moving her to all those various properties the dogs pointed out. Ever stranger then the Mc Canns hire car, shows The Mc Canns were incorrectly ruling out the dogs in the Zapata case. Make of that what you will.


  • #7433
    00so
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭00so


    Why bring the children on holidays if you are going to pack them off to kids clubs all day and leave them on their own every night in an unlocked apartment?


  • #7434
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    This is about trying to figure out what happened to Madeleine. For some of us, all possibilities are open. It could have been a huge number of people. Others are just here to say it wasn't the McCanns and they are obsessed with it. You need to have an open mind in cases like this.

    All possibilities are open except when you vote in a poll that it’s the parents wot dunnit. Such open mindedness.


  • #7435
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    00so wrote: »
    Why bring the children on holidays if you are going to pack them off to kids clubs all day and leave them on their own every night in an unlocked apartment?

    To be fair when I go on hols my kids love going to the kids club during the day so I don’t think that’s a stick to beat the McCanns with at all.

    However leaving them alone in an unlocked apt certainly is..


  • #7436
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,132 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    00so wrote: »
    Why bring the children on holidays if you are going to pack them off to kids clubs all day and leave them on their own every night in an unlocked apartment?

    Are you kidding? The child minders hired to entertain the kids were doing a great job, by all accounts and a lot more than parents would. On the day Madeline disappeared they were all taken sailing, then later they were playing in the pool at lunchtime with their parents. I doubt the kids would have preferred sitting on the floor in Leicestershire playing with Lego - again.

    This Irish idea that parents and children should be welded together for life I find weird. My parents used to dump me and my brother in a horse riding school with boarding, and several other such camps. I had enormous fun and life experiences some of my strongest childhood memories are from these times.

    Who can forget hanging upside down from an ex-racehorses neck with it at a full gallop screaming in terror as it headed for a barbwire fence, then coughing and being blinded when surrounded in a huge cloud of dust when it came to a sudden halt, with my head a foot from the wire. That horse, Nero, was a character, he rapidly stuck his head down at a gallop, three times, trying to pull me off by the reins, twice ending with me inverted under his neck. Then there were full moon antics with improvised opposing teams in the sand dunes with the creepy WW2 coastal concrete gun emplacements.

    Oh, mammy, mammy, where are you? Why did you leave me?

    Get off! Irish pussies.


  • #7437
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    The DNA preliminary results said Madeleines DNA was 100% match in the hire car and then the final results said it was inconclusive this is fact. The same lab in Birmingham was a year later under scrutiny as over 2,000 cases (closed down since 2012) were shown to be incorrect and it was human error as they didn’t have the total science behind it. The mistake was sending the DNA to the UK instead of a non biased country, Amaral said he was told to send it to the UK from above from his seniors.

    Today’s DNA technology could help solve this case. Furthermore “Cuddle Cat” has been washed by Kate which is very strange when they could have used the Teddy for DNA of Madeline further down the line. The Portuguese ships of taken the teddy from day one and it should be in evidence before the mother got to wash it. “TrueAllele“ Is the name of the new scientific DNA profiler which has helped free ppl wrongly convicted. DNA seems the most likely to catch the killer/killers.


  • #7438
    00so
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭00so


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Are you kidding? The child minders hired to entertain the kids were doing a great job, by all accounts and a lot more than parents would. On the day Madeline disappeared they were all taken sailing, then later they were playing in the pool at lunchtime with their parents. I doubt the kids would have preferred sitting on the floor in Leicestershire playing with Lego - again.

    This Irish idea that parents and children should be welded together for life I find weird. My parents used to dump me and my brother in a horse riding school with boarding, and several other such camps. I had enormous fun and life experiences some of my strongest childhood memories are from these times.

    Who can forget hanging upside down from an ex-racehorses neck with it at a full gallop screaming in terror as it headed for a barbwire fence, then coughing and being blinded when surrounded in a huge cloud of dust when it came to a sudden halt, with my head a foot from the wire. That horse, Nero, was a character, he rapidly stuck his head down at a gallop, three times, trying to pull me off by the reins, twice ending with me inverted under his neck. Then there were full moon antics with improvised opposing teams in the sand dunes with the creepy WW2 coastal concrete gun emplacements.

    Oh, mammy, mammy, where are you? Why did you leave me?

    Get off! Irish pussies.
    The same minders who let her fall in to the sea when they went sailing.


  • #7439
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,132 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Listening to the podcast and only halfway through.

    The Zapata case The Mc Canns held up to show Dogs aren’t good at their jobs and the pointed out various random places years later which was dismissed but then a year later Zapata admitted to killing and dismembering his wife and moving her to all those various properties the dogs pointed out. Ever stranger then the Mc Canns hire car, shows The Mc Canns were incorrectly ruling out the dogs in the Zapata case. Make of that what you will.

    Those dogs did not lead investigators to a single scrap of crime related forensic evidence on any job they were used on after being retired from the UK Police force, as far as I can ascertain. Eddie has indicated death on every single case, with no supporting forensic evidence being found.


  • #7440
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    To be fair to Eddie, there may have been coconut scented sun cream on the clothes? It is his favourite scent after all.


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  • #7441
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Those dogs did not lead investigators to a single scrap of crime related forensic evidence on any job they were used on after being retired from the UK Police force, as far as I can ascertain. Eddie has indicated death on every single case, with no supporting forensic evidence being found.


    COCONUTS!


  • #7442
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    IBTC is the new IBTL?


  • #7443
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Those dogs did not lead investigators to a single scrap of crime related forensic evidence on any job they were used on after being retired from the UK Police force, as far as I can ascertain. Eddie has indicated death on every single case, with no supporting forensic evidence being found.

    This case hasn’t been solved yet so I’m willing to wait to see if that ends up coming back to the dogs finding’s, I would like to see the DNA re-examining through the new science “TrueAllele” as DNA tech has moved on in 13 years.


  • #7444
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    flasher0030 wrote: »
    Really. You need to figure out what happened the girl. Maybe you think that through discussions on this forum, little fabrications here, few lies there about the parents that you might be able to solve it behind your laptop. The modern day Sherlock Holmes. I don't live in a fantasy world. I know the parents didn't do it. I'm sure there are parents in this world who are capable of something like this, but they are few and far between. For parents to do this and be able to cover it up would need to be a type of human being that has some level of psychological issues. Kate and Gerry McCann's lives have been scrutinised inside out. If there were any personality disorders, it would be well outed.
    I know they didn't do it because I have 2 little kids. And if anything happened to them like happened to their little girl, you can't suppress it, return to dinner and carry on as if nothing happened.

    Anyone on here that has kids will know that.

    You just proved my point.


  • #7445
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Something Else
    retro:electro wrote: »
    It has been stated many times on this thread and others that Kate’s first words were “she’s gone, Madeleine is gone”. “They’ve taken her” wasn’t uttered for almost two hours later when she realised whoever had taken Madeleine had likely taken her and unlikely to return her. Seriously can people familiarise themselves with the basics at least before posting?

    Perhaps you should brush up on the basics.

    Nanny Charlotte Pennington confirms that Kate McCann did scream: "They've taken her, they've taken her!"

    "I was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone.

    "When we were coming out we saw Kate and she was screaming: 'They've taken her, they've taken her!'

    "I was standing right in front of her outside the apartment's back door, in the alleyway. I was very close to her. It might not have been the first thing she said. But she definitely said it.

    "I was one of three Mark Warner staff who saw her shouting it. They have all given statements to the Portuguese police saying that."


  • #7446
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Perhaps you should brush up on the basics.

    Nanny Charlotte Pennington confirms that Kate McCann did scream: "They've taken her, they've taken her!"

    "I was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone.

    "When we were coming out we saw Kate and she was screaming: 'They've taken her, they've taken her!'

    "I was standing right in front of her outside the apartment's back door, in the alleyway. I was very close to her. It might not have been the first thing she said. But she definitely said it.

    "I was one of three Mark Warner staff who saw her shouting it. They have all given statements to the Portuguese police saying that."

    Nobody is saying she never said it. But to say they were the first words out of her mouth as she ran down to the Tapas Bar is false, your own post even confirms as much. Her first words was “she’s gone. Madeleine is gone”. Some posters insist her first words were “they’ve taken her” because they believe she was setting up an abduction from the outset. As you’ll see from your own post and the bit in bold this is not true. They were not her first words.


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  • #7447
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Perhaps you should brush up on the basics.

    Nanny Charlotte Pennington confirms that Kate McCann did scream: "They've taken her, they've taken her!"

    "I was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone.

    "When we were coming out we saw Kate and she was screaming: 'They've taken her, they've taken her!'

    "I was standing right in front of her outside the apartment's back door, in the alleyway. I was very close to her. It might not have been the first thing she said. But she definitely said it.

    "I was one of three Mark Warner staff who saw her shouting it. They have all given statements to the Portuguese police saying that."

    What got that thought in her head? Who were 'they'? Madeleine could easily have gone to look for them at their 4th night of partying, she was crying and wondering where they were the night before.


  • #7448
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Something Else
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Banana Republic, daretodream, immortal straight, Limnam....

    You all thanked the above post.. would yis all mind if I ask why you thanked it?

    The post says the McCanns were not misfortunate that their daughter was stolen because they left the door unlocked...

    The post then likens the 3 year old child to a MacBook, as in they deserved to have their child taken because they left them their with the door unlocked..?

    Do yis really believe they deserved to have their child taken because of their actions? Genuine question, please don’t ignore or reply without actually answering the question.. thanks

    Zero evidence of their daughter being stolen.


  • #7449
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Something Else
    retro:electro wrote: »
    Nobody is saying she never said it. But to say they were the first words out of her mouth as she ran down to the Tapas Bar is false, your own post even confirms as much. Her first words was “she’s gone. Madeleine is gone”. Some posters insist her first words were “they’ve taken her” because they believe she was setting up an abduction from the outset. As you’ll see from your own post and the bit in bold this is not true. They were not her first words.

    “wasn’t uttered for almost two hours later“ - this is what you said. Yet an eyewitness saw her saw it within 5 mins of Maddie going missing. Then you’d the cheek to berate someone for not knowing the basics.


  • #7450
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    “wasn’t uttered for almost two hours later“ - this is what you said. Yet an eyewitness saw her saw it within 5 mins of Maddie going missing. Then you’d the cheek to berate someone for not knowing the basics.

    It was almost two hours later. Miss Pennington can’t even be sure when she heard Kate say those words, just that she heard her say them but she’s certain they weren’t the first words from her mouth.

    The person who overheard Kate screaming “they’ve taken her” was woken by a knock on her door altering her and her husband to the turn of events at 11:30pm, so approx an hour and a half after it was realised Madeleine was gone. It was then when she heard Kate state these words, “the bastards have taken her”, which aren’t that outrageous when you consider her child had been gone for nearly two hours at this point, so far from a nonsensical accusation, it was more of a realisation she came to nearly two hours later when she realised whoever had taken Madeleine, had probably taken her, and she was unlikely to return.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddie-mccann-kate-gerry-screams-10350597.amp

    Also, because I don’t think it can be stated enough on this thread, a few words from the former nanny who was actually there on the night and was witness to the aftermath:

    She is still constantly quizzed by people about the case who ask if “the parents did it”.
    She said: “I tell them no, there’s no way at all. A, timings and B, where it was, their r­eactions, the whole thing. Not a chance.”


    An important observation from someone who was there on the night and witness to the severe distress and panic unfolding before her.

    And sorry but I will not take a lecture about knowing the basics from someone who doesn’t know Pat Kenny from Ryan Tubridy and who imagined the audience laughing away at a question that was never even asked. A completely fabricated scenario.


  • #7451
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,132 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    This case hasn’t been solved yet so I’m willing to wait to see if that ends up coming back to the dogs finding’s, I would like to see the DNA re-examining through the new science “TrueAllele” as DNA tech has moved on in 13 years.

    What makes you think the DNA sample still exists?

    The have more than enough samples of Madeleine's DNA, they didn't need cuddle cat. Kate did need to get the sunscreen off it before it ruined more clothes, apparently
    I'd imagine.

    A body that's been decomposing for weeks or months is going to leave behind more then three or four cells when you try and move it.

    The dogs and the partial and contaminated DNA are red herrings.


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