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Madeleine McCann

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Zero evidence of their daughter being stolen.

    You completely missed the context of the question.

    . these 4 posters thanked a post that said the McCanns were not misfortunate that their daughter had been taken, it was likened to when the posters girlfriend had her MacBook stolen but got no sympathy because she left the door unlocked.

    So the post was assuming the child had been taken but was saying they deserve no sympathy because they left the door unlocked..

    Care to comment on that? Would you not agree that that’s a horrible thing to say?

    The clue to how horrible it is, is the fact that not one of the people that thanked the post are prepared to explain their thinking behind it, or even talk about it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    This is about trying to figure out what happened to Madeleine. For some of us, all possibilities are open. It could have been a huge number of people. Others are just here to say it wasn't the McCanns and they are obsessed with it. You need to have an open mind in cases like this.

    No you don't. Anyone who currently thinks that there is even a chance that the McCanns were involved needs their heads checked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Perhaps you should brush up on the basics.

    Nanny Charlotte Pennington confirms that Kate McCann did scream: "They've taken her, they've taken her!"

    "I was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone.

    "When we were coming out we saw Kate and she was screaming: 'They've taken her, they've taken her!'

    "I was standing right in front of her outside the apartment's back door, in the alleyway. I was very close to her. It might not have been the first thing she said. But she definitely said it.

    "I was one of three Mark Warner staff who saw her shouting it. They have all given statements to the Portuguese police saying that."

    if people can’t even follow the very basic chronological order of events.

    What hope have we got.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    if people can’t even follow the very basic chronological order of events.

    What hope have we got.

    And I was worried you had me on ignore! Good stuff! Ever find us the quote from the book where they all laughed about the dogs not being able to take the stand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    And I was worried you had me on ignore! Good stuff! Ever find us the quote from the book where they all laughed about the dogs not being able to take the stand?

    You're not on ignore.

    I'm following orders...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    You're not on ignore.

    I'm following orders...

    Following orders? Good to hear. You won’t mind fetching us that quote so where they all had a laugh over the dogs not being able to take the stand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Following orders? Good to hear. You won’t mind fetching us that quote so where they all had a laugh over the dogs not being able to take the stand.

    Oh It was provided enough yesterday.

    But you're going on ignore now.


  • Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    No you don't. Anyone who currently thinks that there is even a chance that the McCanns were involved needs their heads checked.

    As it stands, there's more evidence on them than anyone else. No suspects should be ruled out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    callmehal wrote: »
    As it stands, there's more evidence on them than anyone else. No suspects should be ruled out.

    It's bizzare that people who were giving out about the single minded nature of the Portuguese police are happy to narrow the scope as long as it doesn't involve the parents.

    *shrug*


  • Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    limnam wrote: »
    It's bizzare that people who were giving out about the single minded nature of the Portuguese police are happy to narrow the scope as long as it doesn't involve the parents.

    *shrug*

    It is. Like i said though, it seems some people are obsessed with it not being the parents rather than seeking justice for Madeleine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    callmehal wrote: »
    It is. Like i said though, it seems some people are obsessed with it not being the parents rather than seeking justice for Madeleine.


    I've said it so many times

    It seems a lot of people are more interested in defending them than interested in justice for poor Madeleine. They forget who the victim is here. A 3yr old left to defend for herself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Oh It was provided enough yesterday.

    But you're going on ignore now.

    No it wasn’t. And typical, put me on ignore the second you’re asked to back something up for fear you’d have to follow through with it. Shock horror.
    As you were!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    callmehal wrote: »
    As it stands, there's more evidence on them than anyone else. No suspects should be ruled out.

    There is no evidence on them. Nothing. That’s why the police, the people who do this professionally, have ruled them out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Amazing the two lads now saying people are only interested in defending the McCanns rather than finding out what happened, one of them thinks the parents got what they deserved because they left the door unlocked and the other reckons there’s more evidence the parents did it despite the fact there is no evidence they did it and the German police say they have evidence CB did it!!

    The only thing the parents are being defended of is the lies and horrible comments from people here. People are open to the parents being guilty, there just isn’t any evidence to suggest that they are


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭Immortal Starlight


    Something Else
    Rock77 wrote: »
    I think everyone here can agree the Madeline didn’t deserve what happened to her.. the McCann parents should have protected her from this, they should have been there or made sure somebody else was there with the children.

    I know all of the above..

    However like I said I was more than a little shocked to read that somebody thinks the McCanns were not misfortunate to have their daughter taken because they left the door unlocked, then to see four people thanked the post....

    That’s why I asked each of you why you thanked it, what part of the post you liked or agreed with.

    Do you really think they were not misfortunate because they left the door unlocked?

    The poster says their girlfriends MacBook was stolen and she got no sympathy because she left the door unlocked....

    Hey listen you can make like Limnam and not answer the question if you like but you guys are on an anonymous internet chat room sharing opinions, I’m only asking because I presumed yis are here to talk ...

    Yes I do think they were not misfortunate because they left the door open. They were in complete control of the situation in relation to the care of their children. Nobody put a gun to their heads and forced them to go out and leave 3 babies on their own. What they did for not just one night but several nights in a row is unforgivable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Amazing the two lads now saying people are only interested in defending the McCanns rather than finding out what happened, one of them thinks the parents got what they deserved because they left the door unlocked and the other reckons there’s more evidence the parents did it despite the fact there is no evidence they did it and the German police say they have evidence CB did it!!

    Don't put words in my mouth.

    If you're referring to me stating I said they deserved what they got. Please retract it.


  • Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    There is no evidence on them. Nothing. That’s why the police, the people who do this professionally, have ruled them out.

    Not enough evidence to confict or anything. Circumstantial evidence though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    The posters pretending they care about what actually happened to Madeline are gas. Like they haven’t spent the last few weeks dismissing everything imaginable about this new suspect and sweating uncontrollably defending their nonsensical points, relentlessly directing blame towards the parents for fear they might be wrong.

    You don’t do that if you’re genuine in your concern for what may have happened to her. But these same posters hide under the guise of being “neutral” and “impartial” while voting in a poll that her parents did it so I guess we’ll just take it all with a pinch of salt. There’s nothing honest about the way they argue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Nobody is saying she never said it. But to say they were the first words out of her mouth as she ran down to the Tapas Bar is false, your own post even confirms as much. Her first words was “she’s gone. Madeleine is gone”. Some posters insist her first words were “they’ve taken her” because they believe she was setting up an abduction from the outset. As you’ll see from your own post and the bit in bold this is not true. They were not her first words.

    Even if she did say “they”, it doesn’t matter. It just shows the straws some posters are clutching at to try and justify the time and energy they’ve put into their false theory. It doesn’t matter if Kate said they, he, him, her, Bob, Timmy, Joe or Paddy.
    Trying to take a single word someone has uttered in the middle of a crisis when their child has just been abducted and use it as some indicator of guilt gives you an idea of the type of people you’re trying to have a rational argument with. Anyone who has ever misplaced or lost something knows that feeling of losing something valuable and you’re likely to mutter or blurt out anything. Now multiply that by 100 when you just discover your daughter is missing and then have a bunch of wet brains on the internet come along and say “how did you know it was they” shows you that there is no debating with that type of mentality because for them to come to that conclusion in the first place is bad enough but to continue to circle back to the same points even after they’ve been shot down means they are either doing it intentionally or they cannot row back on their unfounded allegations because they’ve invested too much in this theory that to change their minds at this stage would be too much of a climb down and a loss of face revealing their stupidity so they circle back to silly things like “how did she know the door was open?” “Why was there no fingerprints?”

    Put it this way, if this German guy was to make a full confession and provide the location of the body which was then corroborated by DNA, these people still wouldn’t believe it and try and come up with some cover up conspiracy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    callmehal wrote: »
    Not enough evidence to confict or anything. Circumstantial evidence though.

    Not even circumstantial. There is nothing to implicate them. Zero.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Put it this way, if this German guy was to make a full confession and provide the location of the body which was then corroborated by DNA, these people still wouldn’t believe it and try and come up with some cover up conspiracy.

    Clap trap.

    All anyone wants is justice for the poor girl.

    Whomever that turns out to be.


  • Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Not even circumstantial. There is nothing to implicate them. Zero.

    The dogs, lies, deleted phone records etc etc is not zero.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Yes I do think they were not misfortunate because they left the door open. They were in complete control of the situation in relation to the care of their children. Nobody put a gun to their heads and forced them to go out and leave 3 babies on their own. What they did for not just one night but several nights in a row is unforgivable.

    Thanks for clarifying, So would you say all the other couples that were with the McCanns on that holiday that also left their kids alone were fortunate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    TSo would you say all the other couples that were with the McCanns on that holiday that also left their kids alone were fortunate?

    Fortunate action was taken against them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Don't put words in my mouth.

    If you're referring to me stating I said they deserved what they got. Please retract it.

    Absolutely not.

    I asked you to clarify why you thanked a post that insinuated they got what they deserved and you refused to answer. When you do this I have to assume you agreed with the post you thanked.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Fortunate action was taken against them.

    What?

    I see you decided not to answer the real question and now jump in with this nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Absolutely not.

    I asked you to clarify why you thanked a post that insinuated they got what they deserved and you refused to answer. When you do this I have to assume you agreed with the post you thanked.

    I told you I don't need to clarify any of my thanks

    I did not say they deserved. I want you to retract that statement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    There is consequences to being continually reckless.

    In this case the consequences was a 3yr old most likely been raped and murdered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I told you I don't need to clarify any of my thanks

    I did not say they deserved. I want you to retract that statement.

    Well that’s the issue isn’t it. Of course you don’t have to clarify, but when you refuse to clarify why you thanked a post that insinuated they got what they deserved you leave it up to others to figure out what you meant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Rock77 wrote: »
    The post then likens the 3 year old child to a MacBook, as in they deserved to have their child taken because they left them their with the door unlocked..?

    Madeline didn't deserve what happened to her. There are a few possible reasons why she met an untimely end.

    1. Being left alone unsupervised in an unlocked room
    2. Being sedated (unconfirmed)
    3. The proximity of active paedophiles

    The crime could be a result of either a combination of 1 and 2 or 1, 2 and 3. Either way leaving Madeline alone in an unlocked apt contributed to her demise. She deserved better.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    OwlsZat wrote: »
    Madeline didn't deserve what happened to her. There are a few possible reasons why she met an untimely end.

    1. Being left alone unsupervised in an unlocked room
    2. Being sedated (unconfirmed)
    3. The proximity of active paedophiles

    The crime could be a result of either a combination of 1 and 2 or 1, 2 and 3. Either way leaving Madeline alone in an unlocked apt contributed to her demise. She deserved better.

    I agree with all of your post, however your original post was that the McCann PARENTS were not misfortunate that their daughter was TAKEN because they left the door unlocked.

    You used your girlfriends stolen MacBook to compare the situations, you said she didn’t get any sympathy because she left the door unlocked.

    I know them leaving their kids alone was a major contributor to Madelines disappearance.

    Do you think all the other couples on that holiday that left their kids alone also were fortunate their kids weren’t taken?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Millionaire only not


    Probably been said here before why leave the door open ? I wonder if there was 1000 or even 100 pounds left in the room would they have left it unlocked.
    Peado’s are what they are pure scum but no need to make there life easy .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    Probably been said here before why leave the door open ? I wonder if there was 1000 or even 100 pounds left in the room would they have left it unlocked.
    Peado’s are what they are pure scum but no need to make there life easy .

    If they had been given a bag with a million quid in it and said it got taken from there room but there was no evidence to support that nobody would believe them, they should have been charged with a crime.

    Not only is Madeline gone,her siblings lives have been turned upside down forevermore.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Probably been said here before why leave the door open ? I wonder if there was 1000 or even 100 pounds left in the room would they have left it unlocked.
    Peado’s are what they are pure scum but no need to make there life easy .

    This is a very good point, why didn’t they just lock the door behind them on the way out? Leaving the kids alone AND not locking the door was absolutely crazy..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    They locked the main door, and left the patio door unlocked. Kate & Gerry were quite adamant that Madeleine wouldn’t have had the strength to open and close the sliding door by herself, so maybe the left it open for ease of access under the assumption that the kids wouldn’t be able to go wandering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Not only is Madeline gone,her siblings lives have been turned upside down forevermore.

    A fact not helped by trolls the world over chomping at the bit to accuse their parents of drugging their sister, killing her, disposing of her and being involved in paedo activity without a shred of proof to back it up with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    They locked the main door, and left the patio door unlocked. Kate & Gerry were quite adamant that Madeleine wouldn’t have had the strength to open and close the sliding door by herself, so maybe the left it open for ease of access under the assumption that the kids wouldn’t be able to go wandering.

    That’s all well and good but the kids still still wouldn’t be able to go wandering if the door was locked.. the only difference is nobody would be able to get in!


  • Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    They locked the main door, and left the patio door unlocked. Kate & Gerry were quite adamant that Madeleine wouldn’t have had the strength to open and close the sliding door by herself, so maybe the left it open for ease of access under the assumption that the kids wouldn’t be able to go wandering.

    Was it not for convenience so whoever's turn to check on the kids didn't have to bother swapping keys with the other parents? Basically they didn't want too much hassle as it would disrupt their party. Priorities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    A fact not helped by trolls the world over chomping at the bit to accuse their parents of drugging their sister, killing her, disposing of her and being involved in paedo activity without a shred of proof to back it up with.

    To a lot of people they are the only suspects,just because you don't agree with their views doesn't make their opinions less realistic to your own opinions on the case.


    My own opinion is I have no clue who did it.that means I wouldn't rule out the parents either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Well that’s the issue isn’t it. Of course you don’t have to clarify, but when you refuse to clarify why you thanked a post that insinuated they got what they deserved you leave it up to others to figure out what you meant.

    I guess we took what was written in the post differently.

    Then you went on to make an assumption.

    Then you went on to claim I stated they deserved it.

    Coming from someone claiming the thread is full of lies.

    That's a hell of a lot of them to be adding.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I guess we took what was written in the post differently.

    Then you went on to make an assumption.

    Then you went on to claim I stated they deserved it.

    Coming from someone claiming the thread is full of lies.

    That's a hell of a lot of them to be adding.

    I’ll explain further shall I.....

    I asked you very politely if you would mind clarifying why you thanked the post. You flat out refused to answer me. The only option I had left was to make an assumption.

    You could have saved all this by just answering me in the first place, then we might have figured out we took what was written differently


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    callmehal wrote: »
    Was it not for convenience so whoever's turn to check on the kids didn't have to bother swapping keys with the other parents? Basically they didn't want too much hassle as it would disrupt their party. Priorities.

    or not be capable of putting key in fueled with alcohol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    I’ll explain further shall I.....

    I asked you very politely if you would mind clarifying why you thanked the post. You flat out refused to answer me. The only option I had left was to make an assumption.

    You could have saved all this by just answering me in the first place, then we might have figured out we took what was written differently

    I don't need to explain why I thank a post or why I do not.

    It's that simple

    You took something else from the post

    projected it on me

    Then accused me of stating they deserved it.

    Take back your lies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    To a lot of people they are the only suspects,just because you don't agree with their views doesn't make their opinions less realistic to your own opinions on the case.


    My own opinion is I have no clue who did it.that means I wouldn't rule out the parents either.

    What makes them suspects in other people’s eyes is loaded waffle based on nothing substantial, factual or based in reality. But hey if you saw yourself in the type of poster I described and are now taking offence, that much is on you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    or not be capable of putting key in fueled with alcohol

    You really get off on these comments, don't you?

    I said it on the other thread, I find it deeply disturbing the thrill you seem to be getting from your hate for the McCanns.

    You are f*cking odd. Seriously odd.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I don't need to explain why I thank a post or why I do not.

    It's that simple

    You took something else from the post

    projected it on me

    Then accused me of stating they deserved it.

    Take back your lies.

    Cool your jets there pal, how many times do I have to say it, I know you don’t have to explain yourself.

    However if your asked to explain yourself and you refuse to then you leave yourself open to being misunderstood. Simples


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    What makes them suspects in other people’s eyes is loaded waffle based on nothing substantial, factual or based in reality. But hey if you saw yourself in the type of poster I described and are now taking offence, that much is on you.

    Offence ? Really ? Your as bad as the people your complaining about,your just blind to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Cool your jets there pal, how many times do I have to say it, I know you don’t have to explain yourself.

    However if your asked to explain yourself and you refuse to then you leave yourself open to being misunderstood. Simples

    I didn't make the statement. I had nothing to explain.

    You simply read something into the post that wasn't there

    Then you told lies.

    No bother. You don't want to do the right thing and retract your lies.

    That's grand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Offence ? Really ? Your as bad as the people your complaining about,your just blind to it.

    Me? As bad as people who pretend to be neutral while only being interested in anything that might implicate the parents? As bad as people who have no interest in discussing anything new or any new suspects and only want to reek over 13 year old ground and further twist the knife? As bad as those who claim to care about what happened to Madeleine but have no interest in discussing any new info or anything other than lies and fantasies? As bad as people who make up things that never happened and then scuttle off and refuse to answer when asked for proof? As bad as those who feign concern for Madeleine’s siblings while continuing to slander their parents with unfounded bile?

    Na bud, I don’t think so.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I didn't make the statement. I had nothing to explain.

    You simply read something into the post that wasn't there

    Then you told lies.

    No bother. You don't want to do the right thing and retract your lies.

    That's grand

    COCONUTS!!

    Take back your lies!!!!!!!!!

    Seriously though, you thanked a post that insinuated they deserved to have their child taken, when you were called out on it you refused to answer.. then you got all bum hurt because I wouldn’t let it go..

    You still haven’t explained why you thanked it so I still think you agreed with the post


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