Madeleine McCann

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Regarding the fact that all couples including Madeleine's parents left their kids unattended night after night, true, but don't forget their apartments were not on the ground floor and therefore not as easily accessible as the Mc Cann's apartment to an opportunist abductor. And the rest of them had baby monitors too AFAIR, and one set had a granny with them who although she was at the table on the fateful night, we don't know if she was watching her grandchild/ren on other nights.

Also, the fact that the patio door was left unlocked on the premise that none of the children could open it from inside, surely an opportunist would check the doors, front door, locked, ok let me try the sliding door, Bingo.

Only one couple had a baby monitor.

The point is more than one couple left there kids alone. Regarding where the apt was, are you saying the McCanns were not misfortunate because of where there apt was located? So if it was upstairs they would have have been misfortunate?

Do you think the other couples that left their kids alone that night were fortunate?

Regarding not locking the door, yeah I agree with you. Crazy stuff, no reason for it to be left unlocked

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact—such as a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or inference.

On its own, circumstantial evidence allows for more than one explanation. Different pieces of circumstantial evidence may be required, so that each corroborates the conclusions drawn from the others. Together, they may more strongly support one particular inference over another. An explanation involving circumstantial evidence becomes more likely once alternative explanations have been ruled out.

A bit like trying to explain the quote from the book yesterday

You're wasting your time.

If you can find some fella drunk in a pub. Then you're winning.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

Nothing in there is considered proof or evidence. It’s a list of 100 inconsequential random observations that amount to nothing.

101. Gerry made a funny noise in an interview once and he blinked but with only one eye and Kate scratched her hand she was wearing a pink top guilty AF

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

The ‘impartial’ and ‘neutral’ attitudes here are fooling absolutely no one. I’ve never seen such blatantly biased posts in my life, yet we’re expected to believe these opinions are coming from a neutral viewpoint.

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Boom_Bap wrote: »

Hi Everybody, a friendly neighbourhood moderator here. Just popping in to this thread to let you know that there are a handful of posters here, probably everyone in the last 20 or 30 posts who are not actually discussing the subject of the thread, but discussing each other, taking shots at each other, backseat modding, generally being mean to each other, demanding answers, etc, etc, etc, etc.

That's no fun for anyone, and it's not really what the forum is for. Have a discussion about the topic, not about each other.
Be kind, group hug, take a breadth and post about the topic.

There, not so hard is it?

limnam

Can't remember how long it is now

Did that letter show up ?

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

A bit like trying to explain the quote from the book yesterday

You're wasting your time.

If you can find some fella drunk in a pub. Then you're winning.

So if circumstantial evidence allows for more than one explanation what would you call all the things that point to CB?

Actually I suppose you have the right to remain silent..

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

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Did you miss the part of that post that refers to backseat moderating when you went to the effort of quoting it for me?

limnam

Rock77 wrote: »

So if circumstantial evidence allows for more than one explanation what would you call all the things that point to CB?

Actually I suppose you have the right to remain silent..

What things?

I don't know of any things.

He made a phone call near where he lives?

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

Can't remember how long it is now

Did that letter show up ?

Still no sign of it. Surely an explanation from the UK or German police is warranted.

Spanish Eyes

Rock77 wrote: »

Only one couple had a baby monitor.

The point is more than one couple left there kids alone. Regarding where the apt was, are you saying the McCanns were not misfortunate because of where there apt was located? So if it was upstairs they would have have been misfortunate?

Do you think the other couples that left their kids alone that night were fortunate?

Regarding not locking the door, yeah I agree with you. Crazy stuff, no reason for it to be left unlocked

Please don't drag me into the semantics of this type of argument. How dare you decide what I am saying or even think such a thing of me. They were stupid, arrogant, drunk, partying, irresponsible call it what you like, those are the facts really, no one can dispute them.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

Did you miss the part of that post that refers to backseat moderating when you went to the effort of quoting it for me?

If you want to discuss the case and the posts made on the case, you are free to do so.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

But a drunking slurr in a pub is hitting the jackpot.

lulz

It’s concerning that this is how you consistently to refer to a convicted paedophile who bragged about knowing what happened to Madeleine, who was a denizen in child porn chat rooms, who reregistered his van the day after she disappeared, who has had countless numbers of child clothing found in his van and whose phone pinged on a cell tower in PDL on the night she disappeared.

You consistently refer to him as some drunken ejit talking shlte.

I mean it’s a strange hill to die on but a telling one none the less.

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

Still no sign of it. Surely an explanation from the UK or German police is warranted.

Is there any issues with post during covid?

Haven't heard much.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

Is there any issues with post during covid?

Haven't heard much.

No, haven't heard these kinds of delays. Is covid stopping the police arresting the peado in Germany?

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

No, haven't heard these kinds of delays. Is covid stopping the police arresting the peado in Germany?

It might be the whole. She's definitely dead maybe alive problem.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Some posters won’t be happy until they get a copy of the letter themselves.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Please don't drag me into the semantics of this type of argument. How dare you decide what I am saying or even think such a thing of me. They were stupid, arrogant, drunk, partying, irresponsible call it what you like, those are the facts really, no one can dispute them.

How dare I decide what you are saying?? Calm down there, read my post again, I did no such thing, I ASKED you questions about your previous post.

If you don’t want people asking you questions about your opinion then why are you posting your opinion on a public forum?

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

If you want to discuss the case and the posts made on the case, you are free to do so.

Sorry when were you made a moderator, why are you telling me what I’m free to post and discuss?

limnam

Checking google. Doesn't seem to be any news on letter delivery

So was it actually sent or not ?

If it was and went to the British police. What are they doing with it

Spanish Eyes

Rock77 wrote: »

How dare I decide what you are saying?? Calm down there, read my post again, I did no such thing, I ASKED you questions about your previous post.

If you don’t want people asking you questions about your opinion then why are you posting your opinion on a public forum?

You asked was I saying.... followed by a junkload of gobbeldygook, I'm not prepared to get involved in such cryptic arguments. That OK with you? Stick to the facts as we know them.

But look we are just shooting the breeze here most of the time, with due respect to the missing child. It can get heated at times, but that's the polarisation of this case for ya!

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

Sorry when were you made a moderator, why are you telling me what I’m free to post and discuss?

What do you think of some of the dog evidence?

DOGS

11. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the McCann's wardrobe in 5A

12. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A

13. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the veranda outside the parent?s bedroom

14. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the flower bed at the back of 5A

15. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a white sleeveless top belonging to Kate

16. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to checked trousers belonging to Kate

17. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a child?s red T shirt

18. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a toy belonging to Madeleine

19. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's rental Scenic car

20. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the passenger's door of the McCann's Renault Scenic

21. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A (exact same spot as alerted to by the EVRD dog)

22. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's hire car

23. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the interior of the hire vehicle's boot

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

Checking google. Doesn't seem to be any news on letter delivery

So was it actually sent or not ?

If it was and went to the British police. What are they doing with it

I wonder have the McCanns been shown it, surely they'd want to have a look.

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

What do you think of some of the dog evidence?

DOGS

11. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the McCann's wardrobe in 5A

12. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A

13. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the veranda outside the parent?s bedroom

14. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the flower bed at the back of 5A

15. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a white sleeveless top belonging to Kate

16. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to checked trousers belonging to Kate

17. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a child?s red T shirt

18. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a toy belonging to Madeleine

19. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's rental Scenic car

20. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the passenger's door of the McCann's Renault Scenic

21. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A (exact same spot as alerted to by the EVRD dog)

22. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's hire car

23. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the interior of the hire vehicle's boot

You know what I think of the dogs.
The dogs weren’t licensed, they had form for giving false positives and weren’t infallible, and as confirmed by their handler, they can only be used to corroborate physical evidence. Of which there is none.
In my opinion they are irrelevant and a very weak argument to use in favour of the McCanns being culpable for Madeleines disappearance.

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

I wonder have the McCanns been shown it, surely they'd want to have a look.

Last I heard they hadn't received anything

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

You know what I think of the dogs.
The dogs weren’t licensed, they had form for giving false positives and weren’t infallible, and as confirmed by their handler, they can only be used to corroborate physical evidence. Of which there is none.
In my opinion they are irrelevant and a very weak argument to use in favour of the McCanns being culpable for Madeleines disappearance.

But could they not show that an intruder killed Madeleine inside the appartment?

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

Last I heard they hadn't received anything

Maybe things are happening behind the scenes. If not you'd worry.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

You asked was I saying.... followed by a junkload of gobbeldygook, I'm not prepared to get involved in such cryptic arguments. That OK with you? Stick to the facts as we know them.

But look we are just shooting the breeze here most of the time, with due respect to the missing child. It can get heated at times, but that's the polarisation of this case for ya!

To be fair Spanish eyes, you started off your post by saying ‘regarding all the other couples that left their kids that night’ I was the one that brought that up and I asked if another poster thought they were fortunate..

You then had your say so I presumed you wanted to join the conversation, I then asked you things like ‘are you saying’ and do you think’

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

But could they not show that an intruder killed Madeleine inside the appartment?

The very reason I don't get why people are so eager to rule them out.

Police departments were paying the guts of a grand a day to use dog+trainer.

How was public money released to pay for them if they're not trained up to standards?

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

Maybe things are happening behind the scenes. If not you'd worry.

UK police sat on him for 13 years not doing a washer.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

But could they not show that an intruder killed Madeleine inside the appartment?

How can they show that exactly? Jaysus.

All that was recovered was her DNA and DNA components. Which isn’t that shocking considering she was living there with her family and we shed DNA every second of the day.

How exactly could they show an intruder killed Madeleine?

Like how do you even begin to argue with posts like this?