Madeleine McCann

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Right from the first minute "they've taken her" it's been pushed as a abduction by the mccans,loads of offenders names pushed forward..that narrative hasn't changed despite zero evidence supporting it,NADA,zilch..

It has been stated many times on this thread and others that Kate’s first words were “she’s gone, Madeleine is gone”. “They’ve taken her” wasn’t uttered for almost two hours later when she realised whoever had taken Madeleine had likely taken her and unlikely to return her. Seriously can people familiarise themselves with the basics at least before posting?

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Right from the first minute "they've taken her" it's been pushed as a abduction by the mccans,loads of offenders names pushed forward..that narrative hasn't changed despite zero evidence supporting it,NADA,zilch..

It does seem strange that they tried to discredit the dogs instead of seeing if it was anyone else who killed Madeleine inside the apartment and other things like that.

Banana Republic.

callmehal wrote: »

It would be remarkable. He was looked at previously and again more recently by the Germans. It could be just that he's a known sicko and he was in the area so putting two and two together. The Germans must have something but their behaviour has been weird. Must be a reason to it.

Whose behaviour?

limnam

Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

An anonymous senior source in the Met, funny how when detail is required there is always an anonymous source behind it.

We're either trusting the MET or we're not.

Can't have it both ways.

marklazarcovic

retro:electro wrote: »

It has been stated many times on this thread and others that Kate’s first words were “she’s gone, Madeleine is gone”. “They’ve taken her” wasn’t uttered for almost two hours later when she realised whoever had taken Madeleine had likely taken her and unlikely to return her. Seriously can people familiarise themselves with the basics at least before posting?

Condescending posts like this are not required,right from the start it's been pushed by the mccans ,my opinion is different to yours therefore im not up to speed on the 'basics' ...

Carry on,seems like you have it down perfectly.

limnam

dark crystal wrote: »

From whom, two middle class doctors?

Working class.

limnam

dark crystal wrote: »

Riiiiight. ok.

And just when people start wondering why people scoff at theories like MI5 cover ups and the like, you get posts like this that highlight exactly why!

They're all paedos!!! Everyone's a paedo!!!

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

There is an uncanny amount of pedos around this case tbf

flasher0030

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Condescending posts like this are not required,right from the start it's been pushed by the mccans ,my opinion is different to yours therefore im not up to speed on the 'basics' ...

Carry on,seems like you have it down perfectly.

Nothing to do with Retros opinion. You're just not up to speed with the basics. That quote from Kate McCann wasn't right from the first minute.
How can you expect your opinion to be taken seriously when you don't know the basic facts. Serious question.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Condescending posts like this are not required,right from the start it's been pushed by the mccans ,my opinion is different to yours therefore im not up to speed on the 'basics' ...

Carry on,seems like you have it down perfectly.

Your “opinion” is inaccurate. Nothing was “pushed right from the first minute”, this has been done to death at this stage so forgive me for finding your lack of knowledge in this area - while posting inaccuracies with such confidence - slightly jarring.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Whose behaviour?

The German police. The whole letter thing. The mixed messages about whether they have concrete evidence or not.

Banana Republic.

limnam wrote: »

We're either trusting the MET or we're not.

Can't have it both ways.

Can’t trust the MET as they’ve certain limits to their investigations in this case. One of the high rankings officers turned this down because he couldn’t openly investigated all possibilities.

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

The Germa police. The whole letter thing. The mixed messages about whether they have concrete evidence or not.

The whole she's concrete dead. But maybe alive thing

limnam

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Can’t trust the MET as they’ve certain limits to their investigations in this case. One of the high rankings officers turned this down because he couldn’t openly investigated all possibilities.

That's what we're discussing :pac:

Banana Republic.

callmehal wrote: »

The German police. The whole letter thing. The mixed messages about whether they have concrete evidence or not.

The one thing you can count on the Germans is to be detailed and precise, maybe they changed their language as the maybe alive may help the more. The most interesting for me is where have they suddenly come out of, was it because it’s a German suspect in the last two years, are they using this to highlight cases of missing kids in their own country or have they been on the scene since day one? That Bavaria link may be the straw that breaks the camels back, hopefully.

Banana Republic.

limnam wrote: »

That's what we're discussing :pac:

I wonder what they can’t investigate? The Mc Canns? Possibly Robert Murat as he’s previously sued previously

limnam

Banana Republic. wrote: »

I wonder what they can’t investigate? The Mc Canns? Possibly Robert Murat as he’s previously sued previously

'I did receive a call from a very senior met police officer who knew me and said it wouldn’t be a good idea for me to head investigation on the basis that I wouldn’t be happy conducting an investigation being told where I could go and where I couldn’t go, the things I could investigate and the things I couldn’t.

Asked to clarify what he meant, he added: 'The Scotland Yard investigation was going to be very narrowly focused and that focus would be away from any suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the McCanns or the tapas friends.'

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

It does seem strange that they tried to discredit the dogs instead of seeing if it was anyone else who killed Madeleine inside the apartment and other things like that.

There is no evidence Madeline is dead and even less that she died in the apartment.

The dogs reacted to their car, which had it not been faked, would have meant the McCann's were involved. Any normal person who knew for a fact they hadn't done something would seek to question any suggestion they had, especially something as dodgy as a couple of dogs.

limnam

cnocbui wrote: »

There is no evidence Madeline is dead

I thought the Germans had concrete evidence?

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

So far the last 24 hours of this thread has been:

“Kate Gerry and Pat along with the whole audience laughed at Gerry’s answer to being asked what do you think happened to Madeline”
- this was untrue, a complete fabrication in fact and never happened

“Kate Gerry and Freud laughed about the dogs not being able to give evidence on the stand”
- this is untrue, a complete fabrication and never happened

“They pushed abduction from the start by shouting they’ve taken her right from the first minute”
- this is untrue, and a gross and deliberate misrepresentation of Kate’s distress almost two hours later when she realised Madeleine may not return.


Nothing but lies, deliberate distortions and misrepresentations being posted by those who label themselves “neutral” and “impartial”. All while accusing the Mc Canns of lying, hiding things and being “odd” like you couldn’t make it up.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

I thought the Germans had concrete evidence?

Do they? What is it?

limnam

cnocbui wrote: »

Do they? What is it?

No idea.

Thats what they've claimed.

They also said she maybe alive *shrug*

Banana Republic.

cnocbui wrote: »

There is no evidence Madeline is dead and even less that she died in the apartment.

The dogs reacted to their car, which had it not been faked, would have meant the McCann's were involved. Any normal person who knew for a fact they hadn't done something would seek to question any suggestion they had, especially something as dodgy as a couple of dogs.

Yea and you know better then the 35 years experience the dog handler has and the dogs have helped in all the cases all over the world, to dismiss them like they dismissed the Portuguese police when The Mc Canns have no prior experience is very very strange, how can two people whose daughter went missing suddenly become the driving force in expertise overnight. That always surprises me. Any normal couple wouldn’t know what there do but apparently they know everything. That is not normal at all. Proves nothing but arises plenty of questions.

limnam

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Yea and you know better then the 35 years experience the dog handler has and the dogs have helped in all the cases all over the world, to dismiss them like they dismissed the Portuguese police when The Mc Canns have no prior experience is very very strange, how can two people whose daughter went missing suddenly become the driving force in expertise overnight. That always surprises me. Any normal couple wouldn’t know what there do but apparently they know everything. That is not normal at all. Proves nothing but arises plenty of questions.

COCONUTS MOFO.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll assume what they have is an enormous fresh, steaming, pungent cow pat.

Speaking of steaming cow pats, Amaral is such a sharp operator, making predictions about blame and all. You might even wonder if he might know something he never revealed or was a bit dodgy in how he conducted things:

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner was twice extradited from Portugal for sex crimes against children but detectives investigating the three-year-old Briton’s disappearance never considered he could be involved, it has emerged.

The serial sex attacker was first sent back to Germany in 1999 after he had spent four years on the run in the Algarve and served a two-year sentence in youth custody for sexually abusing a child.

He was sent back to Germany a second time in 2017 to serve a 15-month prison sentence for sexually abusing a child and possession of child pornography.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488073/McCann-suspected-extradited-Portugal-twice-child-sex-offences.html

Banana Republic.

cnocbui wrote: »

Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll assume what they have is an enormous fresh, steaming, pungent cow pat.

Speaking of steaming cow pats, Amaral is such a sharp operator, making predictions about blame and all. You might even wonder if he might know something he never revealed or was a bit dodgy in how he conducted things:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8488073/McCann-suspected-extradited-Portugal-twice-child-sex-offences.html

No wonder he was under the radar when ppl have multiple offence for this type of crime they skills automatically buy in the sex offenders list. They could of got this guy earlier and arrested him or at least rule him out early on, a miracle is needed to close this case after 13 years.

limnam

Banana Republic. wrote: »

No wonder he was under the radar when ppl have multiple offence for this type of crime they skills automatically buy in the sex offenders list. They could of got this guy earlier and arrested him or at least rule him out early on, a miracle is needed to close this case after 13 years.

Apparently he was cleared very early on

Van past forensics

sent to uk police. They never requested any info from Portugal

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Yea and you know better then the 35 years experience the dog handler has and the dogs have helped in all the cases all over the world.

The 35 year experienced trainer has stated himself many times that the dogs can only be used to support physical evidence, of which there was none in this case. (Or any? Lol) Dogs can sniff out potentially useful evidence, its value only becomes known following scientific testing. It is news to absolutely no one that Madeleine’s DNA may be found in the apartment that she was living with her parents. We shed DNA all the time. You’re shedding DNA right now and you’re not dead are you?
Her DNA components were found in the hire car, components she also shared with her mother and her father as well as her siblings. This is twisted by those who want to see this as something more suspicious than it actually is.

Banana Republic.

limnam wrote: »

Apparently he was cleared very early on

Van past forensics

sent to uk police. They never requested any info from Portugal

I think he’s crimes after 2007 have made him visible again and information of his boasting about being involved or stating she’s dead. I can’t help thinking Amaral predicted this and it could fall down with The Germans getting involved to help their own investigations but the Bavarian link and “The Horrible Job “ quote a few days before to his ex would lead to thinking he’s knee deep in this. Definitely the best suspect so far that we knows of. The IT guy linked to Murat be interesting to see if he knew CB.

limnam

Banana Republic. wrote: »

I think he’s crimes after 2007 have made him visible again and information of his boasting about being involved or stating she’s dead. I can’t help thinking Amaral predicted this and it could fall down with The Germans getting involved to help their own investigations but the Bavarian link and “The Horrible Job “ quote a few days before to his ex would lead to thinking he’s knee deep in this. Definitely the best suspect so far that we knows of. The IT guy linked to Murat be interesting to see if he knew CB.

My understanding is they reached out in 2007 also to uk police.

UK police requested no further info.

Banana Republic.

retro:electro wrote: »

The 35 year experienced trainer has stated himself many times that the dogs can only be used to support physical evidence, of which there was none in this case. (Or any? Lol) Dogs can sniff out potentially useful evidence, its value only becomes known following scientific testing. It is news to absolutely no one that Madeleine’s DNA may be found in the apartment that she was living with her parents. We shed DNA all the time. You’re shedding DNA right now and you’re not dead are you?
Her DNA components were found in the hire car, components she also shared with her mother and her father as well as her siblings. This is twisted by those who want to see this as something more suspicious than it actually is.

First of all you’ll keep me out of any answer you give. In regards to the dogs my point is they aren’t in a position to say weather the dogs were good or not or weather any police force was inept or not. The dogs can only lead to investigations going further as we all know.