Anyone willing to admit they're already starting to relax restrictions?

micks_address · 01-06-2020 2:25pm

We not taking the Mick but we have gone to places outside the 5k for walks in parks together as a family only foursome.. what I'm unsure of is if the 5k is as the crow flies or roads... As the crow flies probably haven't gone more than 5k by roads probably 5 to 10.. we have family in the northwest and we are in Dublin..don't think we will see them in person till there's a vaccine..

Blaze420 · 01-06-2020 2:26pm

hmmm wrote: »

We weren't far off - we very rapidly had 150 people in ICU beds with Covid (mid April was the peak I think). The restrictions that started in March were just in time, another week or two and we'd have been in trouble and would have needed all the ICU beds we could find/create.

And what was specifically filling those ICU beds? It wasn’t joe public but nursing homes - same environments they completely dropped the ball on with precautions. Cause and effect - the public were never by majority part of this increase but the increase came from a cock eyed handling of the institutions that were getting hit the worst.

hmmm · 01-06-2020 2:30pm

99nsr125 wrote: »

You sure read that report fast ?

It's a good source, do actually read it, it may not suit your thinking but do actually read it

I know the one you're talking about, and it has been spun by conspiracy websites as somehow proof that this is no more dangerous than flu. The CDC paper was a modelling paper modelling various scenarios. All the scenarios took into account actions by the population in response to Covid - i.e. their fatality rate is based on certain levels of restrictions and voluntary social distancing being in place. It was not based on unchecked spread/"herd immunity" of the virus.

New York has 16,000 Covid deaths, and antibody tests suggest no more than 20% of the population were infected.

New York city had 2,000 flu deaths in 2018.

Clonmel1000 · 01-06-2020 2:30pm

micks_address wrote: »

We not taking the Mick but we have gone to places outside the 5k for walks in parks together as a family only foursome.. what I'm unsure of is if the 5k is as the crow flies or roads... As the crow flies probably haven't gone more than 5k by roads probably 5 to 10.. we have family in the northwest and we are in Dublin..don't think we will see them in person till there's a vaccine..

And what if there’s no vaccine?

hmmm · 01-06-2020 2:34pm

Blaze420 wrote: »

And what was specifically filling those ICU beds? It wasn’t joe public but nursing homes - same environments they completely dropped the ball on with precautions. Cause and effect - the public were never by majority part of this increase but the increase came from a cock eyed handling of the institutions that were getting hit the worst.

This is a good breakdown of ICU cases, and their age range:
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19%20Daily%20epidemiology%20report%20(NPHET)%20v1_website.pdf

The majority (119) were aged 55 to 64. There were 139 under 55 in ICU.

Blaze420 · 01-06-2020 2:36pm

hmmm wrote: »

A lot of older sicker patients are not moved to ICU as it would be distressing for them.

This is a good breakdown of ICU cases, and their age range:
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19%20Daily%20epidemiology%20report%20(NPHET)%20v1_website.pdf

The majority (119) were aged 55 to 64. There were 139 under 55 in ICU.

Ok so there’s start of it - 139 out 4.9 million. What was the total ICU number during the duration? It’s easy to be shocked at headline figures without looking at the wider number they are out of.

hmmm · 01-06-2020 2:38pm

Blaze420 wrote: »

Ok so there’s start of it - 139 out 4.9 million. What was the total ICU number during the duration? It’s easy to be shocked at headline figures without looking at the wider number they are out of.

We only had that number because we introduced restrictions. That's 139 out of 408 total (at the time of the report) btw.

Blaze420 · 01-06-2020 2:39pm

hmmm wrote: »

We only had that number because we introduced restrictions. That's 139 out of 408 total (at the time of the report) btw.

408 out of 4.9 million.....

end of the road · 01-06-2020 2:45pm

Blaze420 wrote: »

Seasonal flu also has community transmission - we don’t seem to lock the whole country down each winter for that do we?

seasonal flue is irrelevant, there is no comparison between it and covid19.

Blaze420 wrote: »

It’s time to get real

yes, for you.
the rest of us got real ages ago.

Blaze420 wrote: »

if you are not in the high risk categories for this then you don’t really have anything to worry about

unless you don't actually know that you are high risk.
also, if enough people had got this, or even still do so, even though they will in all likely hood recover, it could be enough to overwhelm the health system.

Blaze420 wrote: »

if you are then you need to take responsibility for your own safety.

to allow that to happen, restrictions have to be implemented hence they were.

Blaze420 wrote: »

We are coming up to 3 months now - the economy will not survive much longer if we don’t start reintroducing some normality to the country.

and that is what we are doing, reintroducing normality, except in a responsible manner.
and no doubt things will be speeded up a bit for the final parts, but quite rightly it won't be on the basis of people going on a rager on boards.ie

Blaze420 · 01-06-2020 2:47pm

end of the road wrote: »

seasonal flue is irrelevant, there is no comparison between it and covid19.

yes, for you.
the rest of us got real ages ago.

unless you don't actually know that you are high risk.
also, if enough people had got this, or even still do so, even though they will in all likely hood recover, it could be enough to overwhelm the health system.

to allow that to happen, restrictions have to be implemented hence they were.

and that is what we are doing, reintroducing normality, except in a responsible manner.
and no doubt things will be speeded up a bit for the final parts, but quite rightly it won't be on the basis of people going on a rager on boards.ie

Ah the End of The Logic is back to pontificate again...join the curtain twitchers pal and stay indoors and terrified until uncle tony tells you otherwise. Nothing i can say will change your mind and I couldn’t be arsed to anyway - some of us see the bigger picture and know the wheels have to restart now, not August.

Doff · 01-06-2020 3:00pm

Blaze420 should probably lay off the weed

Blaze420 · 01-06-2020 3:01pm

Doff wrote: »

Blaze420 should probably lay off the weed

You should probably lay off your nightly lines of Tony Holohan, that **** will rot your brain

MickeyLeari · 01-06-2020 3:09pm

I have largely stayed compliant. I will argue against but I am a good citizen.

But if there is a travel ban in place at the beginning of July from Covid free zones and our numbers are still very low I will be disgusted.

wally79 · 01-06-2020 3:10pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I have largely stayed compliant. I will argue against but I am a good citizen.

But if there is a travel ban in place at the beginning of July from Covid free zones and our numbers are still very low I will be disgusted.

Nice try Mr. O’Leary

SusanC10 · 01-06-2020 3:12pm

We have fairly strictly stuck with "The Rules".
We live on a main road so no kids outside playing in communal areas to contend with.
We have stuck to the 2km/5km.
Our Kids have not met up with friends.
We were invited to 2 different BBQs by friends. Said no to both.
I want to see my elderly mother and my sister both with underlying health conditions but they live much further than even 20km from here.
So we will wait and stick to "The Rules" and hope for the best.

machiavellianme · 01-06-2020 3:17pm

SNNUS wrote: »

Because with life is risk and staying indoors forever is not living.

Isn't it? There's not a whole lot more to do out there than there is at home.
I have books, music and food at home. I can work from home. All I'm missing out on is queuing in shops or crowded beaches, garden centres or hardware stores. Hardly the staples of "living".
But I do know that if any of my immediate family get it, they're done for due to respiratory illnesses. Once I see no new cases for 20 days, I might begin to think differently.

Doff · 01-06-2020 3:33pm

Blaze420 wrote: »

You should probably lay off your nightly lines of Tony Holohan, that **** will rot your brain

I've not actually been following the news/updates, but nice try.

micks_address · 01-06-2020 4:12pm

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

And what if there’s no vaccine?

Don't know.. will have to see how it plays out. Just don't want to be the one accused of bringing the virus down from Dublin and making parents or elderly relations sick... There's strong chance we might do a day trip in August maybe sit out in the garden and have lunch and chat for a few hours.

ZX7R · 01-06-2020 5:43pm

After seeing the protest March in Dublin restrictions are finished as far as I am concerned

JL555 · 01-06-2020 6:16pm

end of the road wrote: »

seasonal flue is irrelevant, there is no comparison between it and covid19.

yes, for you.
the rest of us got real ages ago.

unless you don't actually know that you are high risk.
also, if enough people had got this, or even still do so, even though they will in all likely hood recover, it could be enough to overwhelm the health system.

to allow that to happen, restrictions have to be implemented hence they were.

and that is what we are doing, reintroducing normality, except in a responsible manner.
and no doubt things will be speeded up a bit for the final parts, but quite rightly it won't be on the basis of people going on a rager on boards.ie

We are all so fortunate to have wisdom such as yours to reflect on.

weldoninhio · 01-06-2020 7:36pm

tuisginideach wrote: »

ICUs will be packed again in two weks, so.

Here we are a month later and ICUs are not packed.

Wesser · 01-06-2020 7:41pm

Feels to me that the feeling out there is that coronavirus is old boring news and SD is out the door

end of the road · 01-06-2020 9:08pm

JL555 wrote: »

We are all so fortunate to have wisdom such as yours to reflect on.

you are indeed.
glad to hear you are extremely appreciative.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Here we are a month later and ICUs are not packed.

which is great, and is one thing allowing us to reopen in a responsible manner.
but it doesn't mean this couldn't come back hard, so far it doesn't seem to have done so in other countries, but there is no room for complacency either, this isn't just going to go away by the looks of things.

padjocollins · 02-06-2020 7:31am

was this posted https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says-idUSKBN2370OQ ?

micks_address · 02-06-2020 7:56am

padjocollins wrote: »

was this posted https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says-idUSKBN2370OQ ?

Would be great if it were true

CBear1993 · 02-06-2020 7:59am

Had a great weekend in my native donegal. Trip back to Dublin today

what restrictions? Never met a single soul all weekend either. Kept to ourselves.

facehugger99 · 02-06-2020 8:01am

Hosted a BBQ on Saturday at our place and went to another one yesterday. Great to meet up with people again.

Anyone who's still living in a fear-cave and listening to Uncle Tony at this stage, needs their head examined.

The Govt may have the power to wreck the economy, and boy are they doing that, but they can't stop people living their lives.

padjocollins · 02-06-2020 8:24am

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/ . given the reuters article and the graphs from worldofmeters, it seems fairly evident that this thing has largely passed by. I'd still be cautious if I was elderly or visiting elderly or vunerable people

Hector Savage · 02-06-2020 8:36am

padjocollins wrote: »

was this posted https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says-idUSKBN2370OQ ?

wow, and thats Reuters, wouldn't usually be known for the sensationalism ... still though, I will be cautiously optimistic.

These next few weeks will be crucial - especially here in Spain , the amount of packed terraces I see and beer drinking, yapping ... PERO BUENO ..... if no spikes are seen in the next few weeks, lets see ...

ednwireland · 02-06-2020 8:58am

pretty much ignoring the 5km limit for excercise but dont really need to go outside the 5km for any shopping or other purchase, office still closed but have a lot of work piling up i need to get doing in there but cant do that until uk office goes back.

supporting local takeaways and restaurants where i can !

( oh the hardship)

CBear1993 wrote: »

Had a great weekend in my native donegal. Trip back to Dublin today what restrictions? Never met a single soul all weekend either. Kept to ourselves.

didnt see any checkpoints when out on sunday, local beaches were closed but the amount of rubbish left on them i think a lot of people ignored the restrictions. just lazy form the council instead of trying to manage it they close the biggest open spaces we have in the north west on the hottest days we have had in years.

Breezin · 02-06-2020 9:46am

padjocollins wrote: »

was this posted https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says-idUSKBN2370OQ ?

That's quite something. Hopefully, the journalistic geniuses running our various newsrooms will have their Reuters feed turned on and will put it to some use in challenging our unique collection of lockdown hardliners.

It will make a change from their role thus far as state megaphone departments.

charlie14 · 02-06-2020 9:57am

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hosted a BBQ on Saturday at our place and went to another one yesterday. Great to meet up with people again.

Anyone who's still living in a fear-cave and listening to Uncle Tony at this stage, needs their head examined.

The Govt may have the power to wreck the economy, and boy are they doing that, but they can't stop people living their lives.

Even some like yourself that do not give a monkeys if they are the cause of others losing theirs.

facehugger99 · 02-06-2020 10:00am

charlie14 wrote: »

Even some like yourself that do not give a monkeys if they are the cause of others losing theirs.

What the weather like in the fear-cave?

It's lovely out in the real-world, you should try it

dhaughton99 · 02-06-2020 11:20am

I’m in Dublin city at the moment and it’s the busiest I’ve seen it in months. A couple of pubs I’ve passed have doors open. A lot of cafes, ice cream shops etc open. Lots of people.

charlie14 · 02-06-2020 11:30am

facehugger99 wrote: »

What the weather like in the fear-cave?

It's lovely out in the real-world, you should try it

I cannot decide if you really are as clueless as you appear to be, or if it is just the macho strutting of yet another anonymous keyboard warrior.

02-06-2020 11:39am

SusanC10 wrote: »

I want to see my elderly mother and my sister both with underlying health conditions but they live much further than even 20km from here.
So we will wait and stick to "The Rules" and hope for the best.

This one is killing me too. I have an elderly mother about 160km away who lives alone.

Really at this stage it is becoming an essential journey to go to see her - with proper precautions of course - but yanno golf and hairdressing is more important.

02-06-2020 11:45am

charlie14 wrote: »

I cannot decide if you really are as clueless as you appear to be, or if it is just the macho strutting of yet another anonymous keyboard warrior.

First one.
Hard men don’t eat BBQ.

oyvey · 02-06-2020 12:52pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hosted a BBQ on Saturday at our place and went to another one yesterday. Great to meet up with people again.

Anyone who's still living in a fear-cave and listening to Uncle Tony at this stage, needs their head examined.

The Govt may have the power to wreck the economy, and boy are they doing that, but they can't stop people living their lives.

I get that you want to live your life like normal and you're going to do it, but can't you just get on with it and STFU?

facehugger99 · 02-06-2020 1:00pm

oyvey wrote: »

I get that you want to live your life like normal and you're going to do it, but can't you just get on with it and STFU?

Why don't you read the thread title and STFU with the backseat Modding?

oyvey · 02-06-2020 1:27pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why don't you read the thread title and STFU with the backseat Modding?

Ok, I see why you can't STFU now. It's a congenital disorder. I'm sorry, I wish you all the best in life with it. Goodbye.

hmmm · 02-06-2020 1:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This one is killing me too. I have an elderly mother about 160km away who lives alone.

Really at this stage it is becoming an essential journey to go to see her - with proper precautions of course - but yanno golf and hairdressing is more important.

Looking after elderly parents is an essential journey, and it sounds like you are clued in about protecting your mother by keeping your distance etc. I wouldn't worry about doing a trip like that myself.

It's the people taking the p**s hosting and visiting house-parties who need to cop on to themselves.

Billgirlylegs · 02-06-2020 2:34pm

hmmm wrote: »

Looking after elderly parents is an essential journey, and it sounds like you are clued in about protecting your mother by keeping your distance etc. I wouldn't worry about doing a trip like that myself.

It's the people taking the p**s hosting and visiting house-parties who need to cop on to themselves.

It's the people who as you describe as "taking the piss" are testing the water for the more conservative people.
Personally i think the extent is somewhat overstated but it is happening - and the infection rate is dropping.
Statler and Waldorf were on again about "Facemasks" as "nobody is wearing them and its time to make using them mandatory for everyone, everywhere".

Again it seems to escape their attention that in spite of the absence of facemasks and the people "taking the piss", the infection rate is dropping.

hmmm · 02-06-2020 2:44pm

Billgirlylegs wrote: »

It's the people who as you describe as "taking the piss" are testing the water for the more conservative people.

It's taking the p**s when you're deliberately giving two fingers to the rest of society.

If you're genuinely concerned about something even though it maybe skirts the law that's one thing, such as visiting elderly relatives - but no-one needs to hold a house-party or a barbecue with all the neighbours.

CBear1993 · 02-06-2020 3:12pm

Wouldn’t go holding mass parties although as soon as the restaurants open I’ll be booking a table and meeting up with friends 100%.

Have absolutely no problem driving to any county the length of Ireland at the moment though and see no issue with it. Same goes for once the flights re open. Let all the Cautious Carols sit peeking out through their window until 2021 if they wish. The rest of us will go back to normal. You’d have to be a real greenhorn if you’re still listening to anything leo, Tony or Simon says.

I know plenty of nurses who work in the mater that were at bbqs and friends parties over the weekend and they’ve never enjoyed their work as much as now. They aren’t busy like normal times and are taking their breaks regularly, which wouldn’t normally happen.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee

ninebeanrows · 02-06-2020 3:14pm

I petted my neighbor's dog on Saturday. A great feeling

facehugger99 · 02-06-2020 3:22pm

hmmm wrote: »

It's taking the p**s when you're deliberately giving two fingers to the rest of society.

If you're genuinely concerned about something even though it maybe skirts the law that's one thing, such as visiting elderly relatives - but no-one needs to hold a house-party or a barbecue with all the neighbours.

I'm sure you'll get a pat on the head from Dr Tony for being a good little lad but not everyone is a social-loner happy to hide away for months for no good reason.

irishgrover · 02-06-2020 3:30pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

Wouldn’t go holding mass parties although as soon as the restaurants open I’ll be booking a table and meeting up with friends 100%.

Have absolutely no problem driving to any county the length of Ireland at the moment though and see no issue with it. Same goes for once the flights re open. Let all the Cautious Carols sit peeking out through their window until 2021 if they wish. The rest of us will go back to normal. You’d have to be a real greenhorn if you’re still listening to anything leo, Tony or Simon says.

I know plenty of nurses who work in the mater that were at bbqs and friends parties over the weekend and they’ve never enjoyed their work as much as now. They aren’t busy like normal times and are taking their breaks regularly, which wouldn’t normally happen.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee

when I grow up I hope I'm a cool and enlightened and confident as you. I will admit I was that Cautious Carol, that meek greenhorn, stupidly trying to protect the weak and sick in society by minimising social interaction. But having seen your inspiring post I am now woke, I am enlightened, I have smelt the freedom coffee. I will now go out and party like a life lovin' nurse from the matter.
that you sincerely for opening my eyes

CBear1993 · 02-06-2020 3:33pm

irishgrover wrote: »

when I grow up I hope I'm a cool and enlightened and confident as you. I will admit I was that Cautious Carol, that meek greenhorn, stupidly trying to protect the weak and sick in society by minimising social interaction. But having seen your inspiring post I am now woke, I am enlightened, I have smelt the freedom coffee. I will now go out and party like a life lovin' nurse from the matter.
that you sincerely for opening my eyes

I’m delighted I could help. With this rapid progress We’ll maybe even get you putting one hand on the front door by the end of this week.

irishgrover · 02-06-2020 4:13pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

I’m delighted I could help. With this rapid progress We’ll maybe even get you putting one hand on the front door by the end of this week.

Nah, I live with people that have a high probability of serious illness/death if they get covid. I can't really go out too much for fear that I meet people like you

CBear1993 · 02-06-2020 4:18pm

irishgrover wrote: »

Nah, I live with people that have a high probability of serious illness/death if they get covid. I can't really go out too much for fear that I meet people like you

That’s terrible and I am truly sorry that’s your situation.

However I and many others who are not in that situation will not sit indoors and stay inside a certain distance anymore, if it does not affect us or our immediate family and friends we see regularly.

If you have to stay in then stay in obviously . Why do the rest of us have to still do it for you?

Anyone willing to admit they're already starting to relax restrictions?

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