Masks

weldoninhio wrote: »

1600+ died WITH Covid-19, not necessarily OF Covid-19. Over 60% of those deaths were in nursing homes. Over 91% of the totals deaths were over 65s. The most vulnerable of society, who were hung out to dry by the govt and Tony Holohan.

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Sounds like a textbook SF shill response, but why do NI not count ALL deaths with Covid-19 like they do here in the republic of Ireland

Or maybe NI can explain over 1200 more deaths than average in the period March and April

Darc19 wrote: »

Sounds like a textbook SF shill response, but why do NI not count ALL deaths with Covid-19 like they do here in the republic of Ireland

Or maybe NI can explain over 1200 more deaths than average in the period March and April

Because the current UK regime is pathetic, they're hiding the real numbers, count only hospital deaths. NI just follow what England does.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/face-mask-rules-each-irelands-18304918

And here we have Dunnes stores encouraging glove wearing.

"we continue to recommend the HSE guidelines of continuing to wash hands every 30 minutes as one of the most important measures in stopping the spread of the Covid 19 Coronavirus."

Washing hands is all good... but an illness that is spread by respiratory droplets. But sure, let's continue on without masks.

Sometimes I feel the aversion to wear masks is greater than covid-19. I fear people are just trying to buy themsleves some mask free time because they know deep down that mask wearing is obvious common sense to reducing viral loads in communal air and on communal surfaces. The elephant in the room questions, When covid-19 is over do we get to go back to life without a mask? What about the other 200 or so annual flu's? Where does it stop if we start?

Even though the shops are willing to stick with HSE advice we still have the transport union pushing hard for mandatory wearing of face coverings on public transport.

Wouldn't surprise me if we saw more noise in the message with mandatory facecoverings introduced on public transport and a choice for shoppers in shops.

Afterall the Cork Beo pushed out the mask article regarding the GARDA not wearing masks and low and behold afew weeks later.

Seanergy wrote: »

Sometimes I feel the aversion to wear masks is greater than covid-19. I fear people are just trying to buy themsleves some mask free time because they know deep down that mask wearing is obvious common sense to reducing viral loads in communal air and on communal surfaces. The elephant in the room questions, When covid-19 is over do we get to go back to life without a mask? What about the other 200 or so annual flu's? Where does it stop if we start?

Even though the shops are willing to stick with HSE advice we still have the transport union pushing hard for mandatory wearing of face coverings on public transport.

Wouldn't surprise me if we saw more noise in the message with mandatory facecoverings introduced on public transport and a choice for shoppers in shops.

Afterall the Cork Beo pushed out the mask article regarding the GARDA not wearing masks and low and behold afew weeks later.

A reason why I think masks needed to be compulsory it would make public transport and office work much safer.

I know some people in offices and on transport will wear masks but what good is that when the majority won't?

Hope this DIY Mask does it for you

I imagine this obvious question has been asked before. But when wearing the mask, when you inhale you must be taking back in a lot of the crap you just exhaled. Or at least you are not inhaling the normal level of fresh air. What the the health risks of inhaling this partial just exhaled carbon dioxide??

Wibbs wrote: »

It has B, but no matter what the evidence most will refuse to wear a mask almost entirely based on the "I don't want to look like a bleedin spa with one of those on my face" principle. That's 90% of it IMHO. Now if the government tell them to(and pigs might fly) then they will, because well authority an' that.

The second cohort is "it's just a flu pal"....

Kivaro wrote: »

Guess we'll see that authority (or the people's interpretation of it) in action this long weekend.

We could be in the final phase of the lock-down by now if 'our' government were decisive at the early stages of this pandemic in Ireland. It was simple really ..... could have looked over at Italy and planned accordingly: immediate lock-down and a law-driven quarantine of people entering the country, protection of the elderly and vulnerable (should have been the priority), social distancing rules enforced, hygiene education/psa's .................. and masks for everyone in the country.
But no, due to the bumbling keystone authorities we are now unnecessarily in Phase 19 (part a) of this lock-down.

Czech lockdown lasted 2 months. At any stage were people banned from a) going to and from work and b) making any sort of private trips. As long as they wore a mask and didn't congregate in groups.

They are reopened now, masks not needed outside just indoors, restaurants are opened masks and distancing required, borders are sort of closed though - countries categorised into green, orange and red, people coming from red countries are barred entry, people from orange countries are tested and quarantined, people from green countries have a free entry. Unemployment won't be more than 6-7%, pre Covid it was 2-3%.

Compare with 4 months of house arrest here and the overall situation (15-20% unemployment predicted etc).

McGiver wrote: »

Czech lockdown lasted 2 months. At any stage were people banned from a) going to and from work and b) making any sort of private trips. As long as they wore a mask and didn't congregate in groups.
They are reopened now, masks not needed outside just indoors, restaurants are opened masks and distancing required, borders are sort of closed though - countries categorised into green, orange and red, people coming from red countries are barred entry, people from orange countries are tested and quarantined, people from green countries have a free entry. Unemployment won't be more than 6-7%, pre Covid it was 2-3%.

Compare with 4 months of house arrest here and the overall situation (15-20% unemployment predicted etc).

How do you eat in a restaurant with a mask on?

House arrest? Pure exaggeration ruins any argument.

Their economy is expected to have, as a result of Covid measures, a GDP -6.5% this year and +5% in 2021 compared to our projected -7.1% & +6.3%.

McGiver wrote: »

Question for the anti-mask crowd.

Can you please explain to me how face masks can be ineffective, useless etc if airlines mandate them on flights now?

Without getting into the pros and cons of masks generally, I would guess the main reason the airlines are mandating them on flights is to increase the confidence of prospective flyers. It promotes an increased sense of safety in a very visible way (whether effective or not). It is good for business.

It is a bit like the anti-aircraft barrages launched nightly in London during the 1940 blitz. They had a very limited impact on the Luftwaffe but they did wonders for morale of the civilians on the ground who believed "we are letting them have it".