Masks

Boggles

trapp wrote: »

Anyone promoting mask wearing post covid needs to give their head a shake.

Anyway great news for the anti mask brigade.

It is clear to see that the irish public have not taken up mask wearing despite a few nutters pushing for everyone to cover their faces.

In a global pandemic masks are useful in limited settings such as packed public transport.

Other than that no need and thankfully the public have been smart about this.

Jesus, someone lashed into the early cans yesterday.

Anyway here are 50 nutters where masks are someway mandatory.

Which countries have made wearing face masks compulsory?

Probably over 100 more have recommended them.

But yeah just a few nutters. :pac:

Away With The Fairies

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The whole point of closing things is to prevent the spread of this virus. If we're really as good as they say we are, I don't understand why they can't open things up again and just have us wearing masks. From what I've seen, there's no shortage of masks now.

drunkmonkey

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Away With The Fairies wrote: »

The whole point of closing things is to prevent the spread of this virus. If we're really as good as they say we are, I don't understand why they can't open things up again and just have us wearing masks. From what I've seen, there's no shortage of masks now.

The Virus is all but dead on parts of the island. We shouldn't open up until it's the same everywhere, another week or two will tell a lot. Dublin or other city's trying to rush out of lockdown with masks is too risky, people need to stay local until it's gone as were so close to no restrictions.

The mask is not for protecting you against Covid, it's to stop you speading it if your infected. The smart thing to do is follow New Zealand ( who don't need to wear masks and their advice to the population is the same as the HSE's).

There is no convincing evidence one way or other to require the use of non-medical face masks for healthy people in the community to protect from COVID-19. There are potential benefits and potential risks with such use. Countries are taking different approaches based on their current COVID-19 context.

Non-medical masks could provide an additional element of protection in preventing someone who is infectious with COVID-19 spreading this infection to others. This is through potentially ‘catching’ large infectious respiratory droplets produced by the wearer, so they do not spread further. This is called ‘source control’.

Non-medical masks are not proven to effectively protect the person wearing them from becoming infected by others. They are therefore not a substitute for physical distancing and basic hygiene measures. Some of the reasons for this include the types of materials used for the masks and how they are worn.
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-general-public/covid-19-use-face-masks-community

Arrival

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The Virus is all but dead on parts of the island. We shouldn't open up until it's the same everywhere, another week or two will tell a lot. Dublin or other city's trying to rush out of lockdown with masks is too risky, people need to stay local until it's gone as were so close to no restrictions.

The mask is not for protecting you against Covid, it's to stop you speading it if your infected. The smart thing to do is follow New Zealand ( who don't need to wear masks and their advice to the population is the same as the HSE's).

There is no convincing evidence one way or other to require the use of non-medical face masks for healthy people in the community to protect from COVID-19. There are potential benefits and potential risks with such use. Countries are taking different approaches based on their current COVID-19 context.

Non-medical masks could provide an additional element of protection in preventing someone who is infectious with COVID-19 spreading this infection to others. This is through potentially ‘catching’ large infectious respiratory droplets produced by the wearer, so they do not spread further. This is called ‘source control’.

Non-medical masks are not proven to effectively protect the person wearing them from becoming infected by others. They are therefore not a substitute for physical distancing and basic hygiene measures. Some of the reasons for this include the types of materials used for the masks and how they are worn.
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-general-public/covid-19-use-face-masks-community

And this is what it all comes down to, this is why people want masks to be made mandatory for this specific virus and why they're mandatory in so many countries now. A large chunk of people who get the virus show no symptoms at all, they feel fine, and many others have such mild symptoms that they may not even suspect they've got the virus and so it is not possible to find and isolate them to cut off that chain of transmission because it is simply impossible to test everyone in order to do this. So having everyone behave as if they have the virus means that the people who do happen to actually have it either spread it a lot less while in public or don't spread it at all. People need to put aside the thoughts of masks protecting the wearer, except for at risk people who could benefit from using proper FFP3/N95 masks

With this approach, the spread in the community is much lower so contact tracing continues to be effective, allowing the virus to be successfully chased and isolated

drunkmonkey

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Arrival wrote: »

With this approach, the spread in the community is much lower so contact tracing continues to be effective, allowing the virus to be successfully chased and isolated

We have already successfully chased and isolated the virus, masks ya maybe back in January/February not now it's too late...were heading for 0 if no pop in the numbers this week. There seems to be a panic to get ahead of the plan, we can't just say everyone wear masks and open up, hang tight for another 7 days and I'd like to think we're out of the woods.

If you read the New Zealand advice you'll see the dangers don't seem worth it when it comes to masks for healthy people.
We locked down a week after them and they've 1 case left. They lockdowned with 200 cases we had 43 cases in total.

We're in a good position right now without further restrictions like mandatory face covering.

Away With The Fairies

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If more people gets infected, there's new cases everyday, that's not successfully chasing and isolating the virus.

Seanergy

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drunkmonkey wrote: »

We have already successfully chased and isolated the virus, masks ya maybe back in January/February not now it's too late...were heading for 0 if no pop in the numbers this week. There seems to be a panic to get ahead of the plan, we can't just say everyone wear masks and open up, hang tight for another 7 days and I'd like to think we're out of the woods.

If you read the New Zealand advice you'll see the dangers don't seem worth it when it comes to masks for healthy people.
We locked down a week after them and they've 1 case left. They lockdowned with 200 cases we had 43 cases in total.

We're in a good position right now without further restrictions like mandatory face covering.

Still talking monkey jibberish.....We didn't succesfully chase and isolate, we stuck everyone in a box.

We are far from in a good position. If your just referring to the R, yeah it's dropping but that can fluctuate faster than you can say monkey nuts.

The T-sock had his picnic and now the people are having theirs. Look around you, the only time social distancing is being practiced is whilst queing to go into shops, that's it.

What's happening right now in Ireland is people are breaching from advice from authority during a pandemic. This does not bear well for the 2nd wave.

We could just say everyone wear masks and open up, but that would involve growing a pair.

Arrival

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We have already successfully chased and isolated the virus, masks ya maybe back in January/February not now it's too late...were heading for 0 if no pop in the numbers this week. There seems to be a panic to get ahead of the plan, we can't just say everyone wear masks and open up, hang tight for another 7 days and I'd like to think we're out of the woods.

If you read the New Zealand advice you'll see the dangers don't seem worth it when it comes to masks for healthy people.
We locked down a week after them and they've 1 case left. They lockdowned with 200 cases we had 43 cases in total.

We're in a good position right now without further restrictions like mandatory face covering.

We are in a good place right now, and that's why introducing masks now before more things open up would help contribute towards keeping the numbers low and manageable because it'd allow them to have more effective contact tracing from the get go. Why wait for community spread to pick back up before implementing them? I suppose we haven't acted very proactively up to this point so why start now

It's now June. Don't think there's much point in arguing about masks anymore.

Sheep_shear

McGiver wrote: »

Question for the anti-mask crowd.

Can you please explain to me how face masks can be ineffective, useless etc if airlines mandate them on flights now?

Airlines make you turn off your mobile phone, for no reason which stands up to scurtiny.

Not the best place to argue from.

I'm not arguing against masks in enclosed space but it's silly to use the ridiculous air industry as a basis. The place were 99ml of a liquid is ok but 101 is terrorist acitivty.

barrymanilow

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-BZsJpKKS4

Some strong pro Mask arguments in this video backed up with studies, some ideas for making masks at the end.

Seanergy

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Graph from today's Media

Probably not related in the slightest, look at that fall.

Away With The Fairies

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Is the wording a bit wrong on the graph, before the 22nd of April, the HSE allowed masks?

Away With The Fairies

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Would the kn95 be useful for using on public transport?

Seanergy

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Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Would the kn95 be useful for using on public transport?

Absolutely, I would see it as the go2 right now with so few wearing facecoverings.

Away With The Fairies

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There's no shortage of face masks now. I've made my own, and masks haven't been made mandatory so people aren't buying them in bulk because 40euros might be too much to spend on a box of masks.

I'm going to take advantage of the situation and stock up on masks in cases there's a second wave. I've also bought some kn95s and intend on stocking up on those as well. I might sound selfish but people are selfish anyways and you see more of it now.

Tipperary animal lover

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Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There's no shortage of face masks now. I've made my own, and masks haven't been made mandatory so people aren't buying them in bulk because 40euros might be too much to spend on a box of masks.

I'm going to take advantage of the situation and stock up on masks in cases there's a second wave. I've also bought some kn95s and intend on stocking up on those as well. I might sound selfish but people are selfish anyways and you see more of it now.

Go for it, if a second wave hits people will be scrambling to get masks, be prepared no one outside of your family/friends wont care if you get sick so look after yourself, stock up and have them at the ready.... its not selfishness

brendanwalsh

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I’ve started wearing FFP2 and FFP3 elastomeric respirators.

They are medical grade equipment and when so many people aren’t wearing the basic surgical mask, I need to take extra protection.

Away With The Fairies

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You know what's worse... Is that we have to live with this virus, people were never going to put up with constant restrictions and who would blame them. I'm getting bored myself and want my old life back.

Even the protest today in Dublin, not everybody wore masks even though it's the advice from the government when it's difficult to maintain distancing.

We can live with this... But I think masks/coverings should have been made mandatory. After all, it's not always possible to maintain distance.

Very little is expected of us people... Cough/sneeze into tissues, 2m distance... Yet masks/coverings isn't mandatory if there's someone standing in your face.

RoYoBo

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I made my own masks more than 2 months ago - plenty of patterns and ideas to be found online. However, I've made several types for the OH and he can't seem to wear any of them without feeling suffocated Admittedly, some are easier to wear than others, but I'm convinced they're a necessary part of the toolkit for getting out of lockdown.

I've run out of ideas for the OH - tried the duck-billed ones, the folded concertina ones and several other supposedly breathable designs, even a one-layer version that I felt was only 'window dressing'. No joy!

Has anyone any suggestions? With airlines making them mandatory, I'm envisioning the end of holidays away for us unless I can come up with something that suits. Not to mention going anywhere crowded indoors. I'm willing to buy one or more if they're available anywhere. Is the restriction on purchasing (health workers only) still in place regarding KN95 masks or similar?

Away With The Fairies

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Mr price, euro giant and Lidl all have face masks now.

RoYoBo

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Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Mr price, euro giant and Lidl all have face masks now.

What are they like for breathability, do you know? I've seen that Lidl sell masks in 50 unit boxes. I'd be loathe to invest in an entire box, given the attempts I've made to make him something suitable. He says he wants something like a dust mask that sits away from his face altogether. Probably doesn't exist ..

Away With The Fairies

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RoYoBo wrote: »

What are they like for breathability, do you know? I've seen that Lidl sell masks in 50 unit boxes. I'd be loathe to invest in an entire box, given the attempts I've made to make him something suitable. He says he wants something like a dust mask that sits away from his face altogether. Probably doesn't exist ..

I wear face masks in work so I don't find them too bad for breathing. But I'm used to wearing them. Someone new to masks might find it odd/difficult.

I'm not sure if there's such a thing as dust mask that sits away from the face, you're meant to cover your mouth and nose so nothing is made to sit away from the face.

I've seen plastic shields as well, it might be more suited to him. Not sure how effective they are though but would still cover the face without a mask over nose and mouth.

Seanergy

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RoYoBo wrote: »

I made my own masks more than 2 months ago - plenty of patterns and ideas to be found online. However, I've made several types for the OH and he can't seem to wear any of them without feeling suffocated Admittedly, some are easier to wear than others, but I'm convinced they're a necessary part of the toolkit for getting out of lockdown.

I've run out of ideas for the OH - tried the duck-billed ones, the folded concertina ones and several other supposedly breathable designs, even a one-layer version that I felt was only 'window dressing'. No joy!

Has anyone any suggestions? With airlines making them mandatory, I'm envisioning the end of holidays away for us unless I can come up with something that suits. Not to mention going anywhere crowded indoors. I'm willing to buy one or more if they're available anywhere. Is the restriction on purchasing (health workers only) still in place regarding KN95 masks or similar?

RoYoBo wrote: »

What are they like for breathability, do you know? I've seen that Lidl sell masks in 50 unit boxes. I'd be loathe to invest in an entire box, given the attempts I've made to make him something suitable. He says he wants something like a dust mask that sits away from his face altogether. Probably doesn't exist ..

Sounds like he would be content with a N95/KN95 shape mask. The ECDC do not recommend facecoverings for air passengers so if travellling maybe best to get some proper medical masks.

Bear in mind worldwide demand for kn95's is about 4.5 billion with supply at about .5 billion for 2020 so they are very much in demand but there are zero restrictions on you purchasing them. Don't believe the state could ever pass the legislation to restrict the purchasing of them.

Woodies and other hardware selling KN95's presently, you could buy afew and see if he would wear them?

Away With The Fairies

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Also eurogiant has a pack of 10 face masks for 10 euro, so not a huge amount to spend if you want to try out the surgical type of masks.

Darc19

RoYoBo wrote: »

What are they like for breathability, do you know? I've seen that Lidl sell masks in 50 unit boxes. I'd be loathe to invest in an entire box, given the attempts I've made to make him something suitable. He says he wants something like a dust mask that sits away from his face altogether. Probably doesn't exist ..

My wife got these ones. They are cotton front with a lining. She needs them as she does some work with people with disabilities and has to do some visits this week. I tried one and found it quite comfortable https://www.candlewarehouse.ie/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=1326

RoYoBo

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Thanks for all the tips - very useful. I don't think we'll be flying anywhere this year, but will keep trying with the suggestions. I'm sure many (most?) people would prefer not to have to wear them, but it's a matter of getting used to them.. I have to confess that in this heat, they are less than enjoyable to wear, but needs must.

Rjd2

Still people content to die on the hill that masks are no use.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1267598880939573249

is_that_so

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Rjd2 wrote: »

Still people content to die on the hill that masks are no use.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1267598880939573249

Always a good idea to read what you're linking to, which tweeter did not. That is not just about masks.

-From a policy and public health perspective, current policies of at least 1 m physical distancing seem to be strongly associated with a large protective effect, and distances of 2 m could be more effective.

- face masks are associated with protection, although much of this evidence was on mask use within households and among contacts of cases.

-Other basic measures (eg, hand hygiene) are still needed in addition to physical distancing and use of face masks and eye protection.

expectationlost

Competition and Consumer Protection Commission Guidance for Business re COVID-19 Face Masks https://www.ccpc.ie/business/help-for-business/guidelines-for-business/ccpc-guidance-for-business-re-covid-19-face-masks/

Penetration of the barrier mask for single use and reusable material shall have a filtering capacity of at least 70% for solid or liquid particles with a size of 3 μm

https://www.nsai.ie/images/uploads/general/SWiFT19.pdf is that decent protection?

n general, the material should be at least 0.2 mm thick and have a minimum of 50 gsm weight. Materials should have a filtration efficiency which depends on the grams per square meter (gsm) of the nonwoven fabric. The recommended grams per square meter for Polypropylene nonwoven fabric is 25-30 gsm for barrier mask

do the mask of the like https://www.candlewarehouse.ie/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=1326 meet that?