Had enough of this lockdown am I the only person feeling like this?

deisedevil · 05-05-2020 10:45AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

New Zealand got its first case of Covid 19 on 28th February. Ireland got their first case on 29th February. Our schools closed on 12 March, Its almost 2 months ago since restrictions started here! Surely measurements, testing and hospital capacity should be up and running by now. Our ICU cases are less than 100, deaths yesterday the lowest in many weeks.

I would suggest you listen to the actual audio clip on this, it was played at 9am on Newstalk (dont have a link), you could hear her disbelief in her voice when she was talking about it. Nothing explains having to wait for almost 2 months to travel to another part of Ireland , over 20km away. Nothing explains the delay in opening garden centres right now! Nothing explains why there is absolutely ZERO mention anywhere of dentists! We were only 1 day behind NZ in our first case but we are 2 MONTHS behind in lifting restrictions. Where are the taxes going to come from to continue paying our huge Social Welfare and Health Care costs?

The disbelief in her voice was because she was trying to get across that imagine if we had done things like Ireland, then we wouldn't be able to lift our restrictions as quickly as we now can. In other words, look at how well we did and look at how bad it could have been when your compare us to Ireland. I really think your after misunderstanding the point she was making.

New Zealand had no new reported cases in a 24 hour period before she made her statement. Do a Google search on this, all the articles are highlighting the fact that she's saying New Zealand did such a good job and it could have been much worse if they hadn't and would have to be slower at reducing restrictions like Ireland now have to.

Do you really think she was in disbelief that Ireland, with much worse numbers than New Zealand, are taking longer to lift restrictions. Should all countries, regardless of the kind of numbers they are getting, reduce restrictions as quickly as New Zealand, is that it?

05-05-2020 10:56AM

deisedevil wrote: »

The disbelief in her voice was because she was trying to get across that imagine if we had done things like Ireland, then we wouldn't be able to lift our restrictions as quickly as we now can. In other words, look at how well we did and look at how bad it could have been when your compare us to Ireland. I really think your after misunderstanding the point she was making.

New Zealand had no new reported cases in a 24 hour period before she made her statement. Do a Google search on this, all the articles are highlighting the fact that she's saying New Zealand did such a good job and it could have been much worse if they hadn't and would have to be slower at reducing restrictions like Ireland now have to.

Do you really think she was in disbelief that Ireland, with much worse numbers than New Zealand, are taking longer to lift restrictions. Should all countries, regardless of the kind of numbers they are getting, reduce restrictions as quickly as New Zealand, is that it?

No thats not it, in fact I agree. Ireland should have been far quicker to react. I remember at the time being at work and we were all in disbelief that Cheltenham was going ahead. I remember the weekend of the cancelled Italian Rugby match walking around Howth Head and the cliff walk was teeming with Italian students! There must have been a few plane loads of them up there!
New Zealand did a brilliant job and as an island economy if Ireland had introduced even half of the measure NZ did we wouldn't be in the situation now. Having said that we got our R0 below 1, far less in fact, we got out ICU numbers down, our deaths have dropped considerably, these measure are working and people have been compliant. We did what we were asked to do yet we were berated by Leo & Co.

The time to ease restrictions on things like garden centres and golf clubs is now - not in 2 weeks. Likewise with the 20km restriction carrying on until 20th July - this is insanity!

hmmm · 05-05-2020 11:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

New Zealand did a brilliant job and as an island economy if Ireland had introduced even half of the measure NZ did we wouldn't be in the situation now.

We are not an island economy, we have a border on the island. The UK went for herd immunity as their strategy - i.e. let people get infected, and unless we somehow managed to seal the NI border this meant we could never adopt a NZ strategy even if we wanted to. These simplistic comparisons are not correct.

deisedevil · 05-05-2020 11:17AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No thats not it, in fact I agree. Ireland should have been far quicker to react. I remember at the time being at work and we were all in disbelief that Cheltenham was going ahead. I remember the weekend of the cancelled Italian Rugby match walking around Howth Head and the cliff walk was teeming with Italian students! There must have been a few plane loads of them up there!
New Zealand did a brilliant job and as an island economy if Ireland had introduced even half of the measure NZ did we wouldn't be in the situation now. Having said that we got our R0 below 1, far less in fact, we got out ICU numbers down, our deaths have dropped considerably, these measure are working and people have been compliant. We did what we were asked to do yet we were berated by Leo & Co.

The time to ease restrictions on things like garden centres and golf clubs is now - not in 2 weeks. Likewise with the 20km restriction carrying on until 20th July - this is insanity!

To be fair, the people with the most knowledge about our situation are worried, and rightly so, that here in Ireland, if we lift our restrictions too quickly, we could be facing a sharp spike, in a country with a badly run health service that won't be able to cope. Surely we should be doing this slowly and monitoring it very carefully and ready to revert back if it starts to take off. Not lifting all the restrictions quickly to hell with it because the R0 looks grand now. Our R0 is where it's at because of the restrictions. That doesn't stay like that from here on regardless of what restrictions are lifted like?

wakka12 · 05-05-2020 11:21AM

polesheep wrote: »

It's you that is hilarious while most other people are worried about their economic future. As for not being able to stay at home, when faced with an adversary humans instinctively react in one of two ways: run and hide or stand and fight. These are basic instincts that can affect us all in many ways. For those who would run away, staying home to watch Netflix is both comforting and satisfying, but for everyone else it is frustrating and difficult to take. Why do you think so many teenage men lie about their age in order to go to war? For many people, being asked to do nothing against an adversary is the toughest ask of all.

So what are you doing to fight against the impact of the virus then? Have you signed up to deliver food to elderly people or anything like that?

polesheep · 05-05-2020 11:31AM

wakka12 wrote: »

So what are you doing to fight against the impact of the virus then? Have you signed up to deliver food to elderly people or anything like that?

Do you never think of life beyond the basics? Never think about the human condition? There's an excellent philosophy thread on this site.

BTW to have seen this post just now you must have trawled back through days and days of posts as I stopped posting here due to the growing politicisation of the thread. In fact all threads on Covid-19.

TheCitizen · 05-05-2020 11:43AM

polesheep wrote: »

It's you that is hilarious while most other people are worried about their economic future. As for not being able to stay at home, when faced with an adversary humans instinctively react in one of two ways: run and hide or stand and fight. These are basic instincts that can affect us all in many ways. For those who would run away, staying home to watch Netflix is both comforting and satisfying, but for everyone else it is frustrating and difficult to take. Why do you think so many teenage men lie about their age in order to go to war? For many people, being asked to do nothing against an adversary is the toughest ask of all.

Listen to Rambo here.

A lot of bloody nonsense. Some of the same disciplines are required in different challenges,.

You're attempting to make out that people showing the discipline to abide by the restrictions are weak people who would run and hide in other challenges. The opposite if anything is the case, those people are showing the strength and discipline required. You're making excuses for whining pathetic people that lack self control and discipline.

Mr. teddywinkles · 05-05-2020 12:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

THIS is the nub of it! They "believe" their restrictions are necessary. The Irish government and CMO are inflicting far more long drawn out restrictions than nearly any other country in the world! Why are garden centres not already open? Why is golf not starting for another 2 weeks, one of the most socially distanced sports? (I'm not a golfer), Why is there no mention of dentists anywhere?? This is a medical service, it is essential to the health of so many people. Why are we restricted to no further than 20km until 20th July!!!!? This is insanity! What exactly are we basing our never ending lockdown on? No other country is doing this!

Jacinta Ardern NZ Prime Minister last night specifically mentioned Ireland (in disbelief) saying some countries like Ireland were going for VERY long restrictions and NZ's plan was getting their economy back up and running much sooner.

Cause our health system is a shambles compared to our European neighbors. With all the money that's pumped into it. It only highlights one thing. Massive reform needed.

Xertz · 05-05-2020 12:19PM

It’s a superficial comparison. Ireland looks a bit like New Zealand and has a similar size population.

New Zealand is remote and Ireland isn’t. It’s basically coming down to that.

When 1.8 million Kiwis are dropping off to Spain once a year, when you can take a 1 hour flight to London from Auckland for €12.99, when they’ve an uncontrolled, unmarked land border with the U.K., a deeply integrated economy and society with the U.K. and continental Europe, and are a short cheap flight from NYC and Boston ... when they’ve all that, come back to me with a direct comparison.

For all intents and purposes Ireland is 100% part of the same areas that got this badly and they’re amongst the most visited, dynamic and transited through nexuses of humanity on the planet.

It’s like comparing the middle of Dublin with the arran islands.

I’m not saying what NZ has achieved hasn’t been impressive but the direct comparison is utterly meaningless.

Compare Ireland to Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Austria, Scotland, Western France, etc

Compare NZ to physically isolated places.

Put it this way: IT billionaires bought properties in NZ because it’s extremely remote and they felt it was a good place to hunker down in the event of a global meltdown, nuclear war or other conflict. They didn’t do this in Ireland as its as commented as Vermont, Upstate New York, the Loire Valley or Scotland.

The ironic thing has been due to California being a nexus of everything, including the coronavirus, NZ doesn’t want them, global transit became difficult and many haven’t been able to get to their bolt holes at all.

Others built them so secure they forgot how to get in:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-executive-new-zealand-bunker-forgot-how-to-unlock-report-2020-4

mandrake04 · 05-05-2020 01:50PM

Xertz wrote: »

It’s a superficial comparison. Ireland looks a bit like New Zealand and has a similar size population.

New Zealand is remote and Ireland isn’t. It’s basically coming down to that.

Its not down to just location don't forget NZ and Australia tested with a quick turnaround and contact tracing at the most crucial time... at the very start.

S.Korea far less remote, 50% more visitors than Ireland and far more densely populated only have 10,000 cases and 250 deaths, what did they do?

Tested and contact traced from the start.

LoughNeagh2017 · 05-05-2020 02:33PM

Just another anti northern and anti traveller post, I have no interest in travelling around your country, or mine for that matter.

gormdubhgorm · 05-05-2020 02:55PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

People from the North free to move all over Ireland.
Scab slave labour being flown in on flights.

Travellers totally free to do what they want when they want where they want.

I am working long hours which are deemed essential.

I am going to get out for a decent drive this weekend and head for a beauty spot and get out for a walk and enjoy the sun.

Before you shut me down mods can you answer what harm I will be doing?

This is a discussion forum we are not living in China or North Korea.

I think you have been watching too many films.

People from the North free to move all over Ireland.

Do you stand outside counting them or something or know from the' cut of them'?
I do not hear a deluge of Nordie accents or Nordie numberplates in the ROI.

Scab slave labour being flown in on flights.

I assume you never applied to pick the fruit. And Keelings do not get enough applications from Irish people (as the work is very hard and low paid) so had to go abroad to get the workforce.
That is the way the world works. The product you posted with on this thread was made by cheap labour in China, the minerals to create the device were dug by cheap labour in Africa.

Travellers totally free to do what they want when they want where they want.

When in doubt blame the travellers. The Irish person's go to gripe. Hitler did the same with the Jews. I suggest you write a book called 'My Whinge'. Travellers can be prosecuted under the law like anyone else, by the way.

I am working long hours which are deemed essential.

Fair play to you for working. But be glad you have a job many people do not and will not. Also you are able to get out of the house to work. I feel you are using this as a justification to do what you like, as you work hard. To hell with everyone else.

I am going to get out for a decent drive this weekend and head for a beauty spot and get out for a walk and enjoy the sun.

What harm will you be doing that depends if you get out of the car and are in contact with other individuals - especially beyond a 5km distance travelling.

It is clear you have not been paying attention to any of the News in the last few weeks and how the idea is to prevent the Health Systems being overwhelmed. I suggest you watch 'Pandemic' on Netflix since you like films and do not wish to pay heed to government and HSE guidelines. There is also more serious discussions on covid19 as well on Netflix. If you have to ask this question 'what harm will you be doing' you must be obtuse or a bit slow.

This is a discussion forum we are not living in China or North Korea

From the tone of your post you seem to like to pretend you are in China or North Korea to justify to yourself that you are being harshly treated.
But if you were in North Korea you would have far more restrictions placed on you in normal life, and you could be even executed. So your analogy is really hyperbolic.

Hector Savage · 05-05-2020 02:58PM

I wonder the people who defend this lockdown and are loving it , how they'll feel when it's finally lifted - in about 2 years time ...

gormdubhgorm · 05-05-2020 03:11PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

I wonder the people who defend this lockdown and are loving it , how they'll feel when it's finally lifted - in about 2 years time ...

I would say 'the people who defend the lockdown' as you call them are:

1) Responsible citizens

2) Show more resolve than those who whinge and whine, when they have damn all to whine about (Like the OP)

3) I doubt people who defend the lockdown are 'loving it'. They just get on with it and adapt as best they can. The more people pull in same direction the quicker it will end - in a gradual process.

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To say people who defend the lockdown are 'loving it' is an insult to the elderly infirm and those who had to cocoon for the last few weeks. It is also an insult to the medical health professionals who are under immense pressure and putting thier lives/families lives at risk as they are trying to help strangers.

TheCitizen · 05-05-2020 03:14PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I would say 'the people who defend the lockdown' as you call them are:

1) Responsible citizens

2) Show more resolve than whinge and whine when they have damn all to whine about (Like the OP)

3) I doubt people who defend the lockdown are 'loving it'. They just get on with it and adapt as best they can. The more people pull in same direction the quicker it will end - in a gradual process.

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To say people who defend the lockdown are 'loving it' is an insult to the elderly infirm and those who had to cocoon for the last few weeks. It is also an insult to the medical health professionals who are under immense pressure and putting thier lives/families lives at risk as they are trying to help strangers.

It's the height of nonsense, nobody is 'loving it'. There's a few numbskulls on this forum that have been throwing that 'loving it' phrase about in a way to insult those they disagree with.

gormdubhgorm · 05-05-2020 03:34PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

It's the height of nonsense, nobody is 'loving it'. There's a few numbskulls on this forum that have been throwing that 'loving it' phrase about in a way to insult those they disagree with.

Auld next door neighbour in his 70's was going demented - has underlying health conditions. Not really one for using technology misses the grandkids. He would not really go out much anyway. But when he was forced to cocoon (saw him standing at door or garden) he seemed to struggling to cope with the fact he could not go where he wanted to freely. Prisoner in his own home he said etc.

He is mad for chat at the best of times, living with his wife. Came out with a great line across the garden a few days ago. A lot of marriages are going to break up because of this covid19 thing!

Plumbthedepths · 05-05-2020 03:39PM

Can someone tell me what restriction was placed on the over 70's?
The government seems to have made a big deal of getting this restriction lifted, did it actually exist in the first place? My understanding was the over 70's were advised to stay indoors but there was no legal requirements to do so.

suicide_circus · 05-05-2020 03:43PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Can someone tell me what restriction was placed on the over 70's?
The government seems to have made a big deal of getting this restriction lifted, did it actually exist in the first place? My understanding was the over 70's were advised to stay indoors but there was no legal requirements to do so.

correct. it's some kind of weird power play by the authorities "allowing" people to do something they were never not allowed to do.

Ballso · 05-05-2020 03:46PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Can someone tell me what restriction was placed on the over 70's?
The government seems to have made a big deal of getting this restriction lifted, did it actually exist in the first place? My understanding was the over 70's were advised to stay indoors but there was no legal requirements to do so.

Compliance is voluntary mate, this isn't the USSR

gormdubhgorm · 05-05-2020 03:48PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Can someone tell me what restriction was placed on the over 70's?
The government seems to have made a big deal of getting this restriction lifted, did it actually exist in the first place? My understanding was the over 70's were advised to stay indoors but there was no legal requirements to do so.

They did not have to stay in they were advised to stay in. But as most over 70's have a lot of underlying conditions the covid19 is more likely to be fatal for them. So it was in thier interests to stay inside. My mother and father would not go out for instance. Myself and the nieghbours did shopping for them.

The fact the restrictions advice is being lifted a bit, means that the health professionals believe that the risk has been lowered for the over 70's.

Ballso · 05-05-2020 03:49PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The fact the restriction is being lifted means that the health professional believe that the risk has been lowered for the over 70's.

Crazy that you have to explain that. I see the oddballs are out in force in this thread

iamwhoiam · 05-05-2020 03:49PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Can someone tell me what restriction was placed on the over 70's?
The government seems to have made a big deal of getting this restriction lifted, did it actually exist in the first place? My understanding was the over 70's were advised to stay indoors but there was no legal requirements to do so.

A lot of over 70,s I know are following the HSE recommendations and taking them as a “ rule “
Now the “ rule “ is lifted they feel more relaxed at being out .
Also the increase to 5k has opened up more opportunities for walks in a park rather than in a housing estate

Plumbthedepths · 05-05-2020 03:51PM

Ballso wrote: »

Compliance is voluntary mate, this isn't the USSR

You missed what I said, to the best of my knowledge and it has been confirmed by others . The over 70's were 'advised' as opposed to restricted mate.

begbysback · 05-05-2020 03:52PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

I wonder the people who defend this lockdown and are loving it , how they'll feel when it's finally lifted - in about 2 years time ...

There are large parts of society who have always been in lockdown, they only venture out for shopping, and spend most of the time watching tv, for these there is no visible difference in their quality of like, there is nothing abnormal about the situation.

gormdubhgorm · 05-05-2020 03:53PM

Ballso wrote: »

Crazy that you have to explain that. I see the oddballs are out in force in this thread

Maybe they are all really young. Or maybe are orphans and do not have any grandparents either.
Or maybe thier parents/grandparents are extremely healthy with great sets of lungs, that will withstand and breathing difficulties that covid19 brings?

Ballso · 05-05-2020 03:53PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You missed what I said, to the best of my knowledge and it has been confirmed by others . The over 70's were 'advised' as opposed to restricted mate.

Yes very good, the heath professionals running the crisis response advised that over 70s restrict movement, now they are advising a loosening of those restrictions.

Boggles · 05-05-2020 03:54PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The fact the restrictions advice is being lifted a bit, means that the health professionals believe that the risk has been lowered for the over 70's.

I very much doubt it.

The advice now is to get brief exercise and don't meet anyone.

weldoninhio · 05-05-2020 03:56PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They did not have to stay in they were advised to stay in. But as most over 70's have a lot of underlying conditions the covid19 is more likely to be fatal for them. So it was in thier interests to stay inside. My mother and father would not go out for instance. Myself and the nieghbours did shopping for them.

The fact the restrictions advice is being lifted a bit, means that the health professionals believe that the risk has been lowered for the over 70's.

Incorrect, it's been well documented that NPHET were against advising/allowing over 70s to go out. The Govt over ruled them.

Plumbthedepths · 05-05-2020 03:56PM

Ballso wrote: »

Yes very good, the heath professionals running the crisis response advised that over 70s restrict movement, now they are advising a loosening of those restrictions.

Do you know the difference between advice and restriction?
Actually don't bother.

phormium · 05-05-2020 03:57PM

The initial ads on tv about cocooning etc said you 'must ' stay at home then about week or two ago they were changed to you 'should' stay at home. Definitely the impression was given initially that elderly were not allowed out.

Had enough of this lockdown am I the only person feeling like this?

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