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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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    #692
    thomasdylan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Even if their child is at risk? Which they will be in a school where social distancing can't realistically happen and shared toilets etc. That's sad.


    Children are mostly unaffected by this. There was a recent report in France that suggests children might not be big vectors either.

    There are a huge amount of frontline workers with children, and all I know will have to send children back to school as soon as they're open.

    In parts of a England, primary schools are staying open to look after the children of frontline workers and vulnerable children. Something similar should probably be done here. But won't.


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    #693
    khalessi
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    thomasdylan wrote: »

    In parts of a England, primary schools are staying open to look after the children of frontline workers and vulnerable children. Something similar should probably be done here. But won't.

    And England is doing so well with battling Corona


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    #694
    normanoffside
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Even if their child is at risk? Which they will be in a school where social distancing can't realistically happen and shared toilets etc. That's sad.

    I've spoken to an expert today and they told me that children are not at risk. They may not even be able to catch or spread the virus.


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    #695
    thomasdylan
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    khalessi wrote: »
    And England is doing so well with battling Corona

    A country not doing well doesn't mean that everything they're doing should be ignored.

    There's loads of stuff coming out of London on ventilator strategies. Should that be ignored because England made a hash of things in other areas?

    There are massive shortages of Healthcare workers in Ireland. This is one thing England are getting right I think.


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    #696
    SusanC10
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    I've spoken to an expert today and they told me that children are not at risk. They may not even be able to catch or spread the virus.

    So why have some children caught it and died while infected ?


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    #697
    Murple
    Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭Murple


    Scruff101 wrote: »
    I know several teachers none have been doing full days five days a week since the start of March. If secondary teachers can go back in July why not primary too.

    Since the start of March? Really? And what were they doing till the 12th of March when schools actually closed? Which incidentally happened with about 2 hours notice and the only guidance from the department was to send home 2 weeks worth of work with the children.
    Secondary teachers have been asked to go in to help with LC students only. They are not going in in July to resume normal timetabled lessons with all students.
    Also imagine telling a child that you have been doing school work each day, missed out on a school tour, sports day, end of year party etc etc. and now, guess what, we are taking your summer holidays away on top of everything.


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    #698
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
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    trapp wrote: »
    I spoke to a parent today who feels there are more risks to keeping their child at home indefinitely.

    The child hasn't seen his friends or teacher since early March.

    The sports he plays have all been shut down and remain so.

    He has become anxious, tempermental and withdrawn spending hours on computer games.

    The parent is genuinely sad for their child.

    In case you haven't noticed my poor friend the virus does not cause any serious health issues in children.

    Agreed, this is the thing, you have to weigh up the risks and it appears that IF a child contracts the virus then all reports point to it being very mild dose for them in MOST cases.

    On the other hand keeping them off could have a negative effect on their educational, social and mental needs, anyone who has kids can see this is not a normal situation for them and can't be sustained long term (vaccine is a long way off and is not a certainty).

    Despite best efforts here at homeschooling, focusing on physical activities and some socialising remotely, the kids will want to see their friends and play together. This is normal and healthy behaviour for them.

    Having weighed up those risks I'll be sending mine back once the schools are open again and they will be delighted to go back too.


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    #699
    Murple
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    I've spoken to an expert today and they told me that children are not at risk. They may not even be able to catch or spread the virus.

    An expert in what though?


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    #700
    khalessi
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    thomasdylan wrote: »
    A country not doing well doesn't mean that everything they're doing should be ignored.

    There's loads of stuff coming out of London on ventilator strategies. Should that be ignored because England made a hash of things in other areas?

    There are massive shortages of Healthcare workers in Ireland. This is one thing England are getting right I think.

    Indeed there are shortages, as they were badly paid for years, the wards were stripped of staff and told to continue to work at that level and at one stage the public perception of nurses was similar to that of teachers today, there was also a year or so with no graduates as they swapped over to degree courses so they fecked off abroad and who could blame them and we re still recovering from that.


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    #701
    thomasdylan
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    khalessi wrote: »
    Indeed there are shortages, as they were badly paid for years, the wards were stripped of staff and told to continue to work at that level and at one stage the public perception of nurses was similar to that of teachers today, there was also a year or so with no graduates as they swapped over to degree courses so they fecked off abroad and who could blame them and we re still recovering from that.

    That's a reason for the chronic shortage of nurses.

    Part of the reason for the current acute shortages of Healthcare workers is that there is no-one to look after their children as schools and creches are closed and elderly relatives are cocooning . Particularly an issue for single parents.

    As I said, in the UK, schools are staying open for Healthcare workers children which is helping ease the acute shortages.


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    #702
    khalessi
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    thomasdylan wrote: »
    That's a reason for the chronic shortage of nurses.

    Part of the reason for the current acute shortages of Healthcare workers is that there is no-one to look after their children as schools and creches are closed and elderly relatives are cocooning . Paftciluarly an issue for single parents.

    As I said, in the UK, schools are staying open for Healthcare workers children which is helping ease the acute shortages.

    I understand the single parent thing completely it is very difficult


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    #703
    trapp
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    SusanC10 wrote: »
    So why have some children caught it and died while infected ?

    Perhaps the very odd exception to prove the rule.

    Go and find your tinfoil and stop posting scaremongering nonsense.

    The virus is bad enough without trolls implying children are at major risk too.


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    #704
    Scruff101
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    khalessi wrote: »
    How does it balance out as I know several who have been flat out teaching online since March

    Let them take May & June off?? It'd make much more sense.


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    #705
    normanoffside
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    SusanC10 wrote: »
    So why have some children caught it and died while infected ?

    Some?
    With the amount of people dead from this you can say that because some children have died from it it’s considered a risk?
    Some children die of many things that aren’t considered a risk.

    Boy (9) did not spread the virus despite 170+ contacts
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/boy-with-covid-19-did-not-transmit-disease-to-more-than-170-contacts


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    #706
    khalessi
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    trapp wrote: »
    Perhaps the very odd exception to prove the rule.

    Go and find your tinfoil and stop posting scaremongering nonsense.

    The virus is bad enough without trolls implying children are at major risk too.

    I think that the kids who died had underlying conditions. There was a child here in Ireland I think who caught Covid19, also had CF and was ill but got through it, there was an article on him in Indo I think, so not all who get it die but they can be ill, like adults and get through it.


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    #707
    Sammy2012
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    Scruff101 wrote: »
    Would it not be possible for schools to open in July/August? Why the focus on May/June?

    I get that July and August should be holiday time but these are unprecedented times. I'd feel more comfortable with that rather than rushing them back in May/June.

    I'm a teacher and I think this is a great idea. I think primary should be closed for June and July and opened up in August! That would give us time to have some sort of workable plan in place. People that say teachers won't agree to that. How do you know unless you ask them? Everything is cancelled for the summer. We will be going nowhere. I would be happy to go to work in August. Start back the Tuesday after the bank holiday. Just get on with it. Kids return to their old classes to finish out the year for August and September and then move to new class maybe in October. Let junior infants start then.

    I'm engaging with my kids using seesaw for the last couple of days. Working on setting it up this week and it's nice for them to be able to hear each others voice but the novelty will wear off over the next 9 weeks.


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    #708
    Ray Donovan
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    I've spoken to an expert today and they told me that children are not at risk. They may not even be able to catch or spread the virus.

    On WhatsApp?


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    #709
    Scruff101
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    Murple wrote: »
    Since the start of March? Really? And what were they doing till the 12th of March when schools actually closed? Which incidentally happened with about 2 hours notice and the only guidance from the department was to send home 2 weeks worth of work with the children.
    Secondary teachers have been asked to go in to help with LC students only. They are not going in in July to resume normal timetabled lessons with all students.
    Also imagine telling a child that you have been doing school work each day, missed out on a school tour, sports day, end of year party etc etc. and now, guess what, we are taking your summer holidays away on top of everything.


    Summer holidays? Seriously? This year is so out of normal life scheduling I know my kids would have no issue with it.


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    #710
    Scruff101
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    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    I'm a teacher and I think this is a great idea. I think primary should be closed for June and July and opened up in August! That would give us time to have some sort of workable plan in place. People that say teachers won't agree to that. How do you know unless you ask them? Everything is cancelled for the summer. We will be going nowhere. I would be happy to go to work in August. Start back the Tuesday after the bank holiday. Just get on with it. Kids return to their old classes to finish out the year for August and September and then move to new class maybe in October. Let junior infants start then.

    I'm engaging with my kids using seesaw for the last couple of days. Working on setting it up this week and it's nice for them to be able to hear each others voice but the novelty will wear off over the next 9 weeks.

    Thank you!!

    It makes so much more sense than this rush people seem to be in to get back for a few days in May/June.
    Let's see how things go with opening up other services before the schools and plan it properly. A month or so with their old teacher before moving into the next year in September when Junior Infants could then hopefully join in some way at that point.

    Personally I want to wait as long as possible before sending our kids back but they'll have to go back some time I just think May/June is too soon.


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    #711
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    On WhatsApp?

    School closures likely to have little impact on spread of coronavirus, review finds

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/apr/06/school-closures-have-little-impact-on-spread-of-coronavirus-study


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    Sammy2012
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    Scruff101 wrote: »
    Thank you!!

    It makes so much more sense than this rush people seem to be in to get back for a few days in May/June.
    Let's see how things go with opening up other services before the schools and plan it properly. A month or so with their old teacher before moving into the next year in September when Junior Infants could then hopefully join in some way at that point.

    Personally I want to wait as long as possible before sending our kids back but they'll have to go back some time I just think May/June is too soon.

    I probably should have said I'd have no problem working in july either if schools were to close in 2 weeks but I'm putting in alot of hours doing the online stuff so happy to see it out until the of May! But dont worry the department wont ask us for suggestions! They dont do practical or workable solutions very well!


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    devondudley
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    School closures likely to have little impact on spread of coronavirus, review finds

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/apr/06/school-closures-have-little-impact-on-spread-of-coronavirus-study



    My next door neighbours kids aged 9 and 11 both tested positive last sat. So that means they can just head away to school they will be fine not infecting anyone. What expect did u talk to. Doctor nick ?


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    ldy4mxonucwsq6
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    devondudley wrote: »
    My next door neighbours kids aged 9 and 11 both tested positive last sat. So that means they can just head away to school they will be fine not infecting anyone. What expect did u talk to. Doctor nick ?

    Wonder where they managed to pick that up from? Did the parents have it too?


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    #715
    normanoffside
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    devondudley wrote: »
    My next door neighbours kids aged 9 and 11 both tested positive last sat. So that means they can just head away to school they will be fine not infecting anyone. What expect did u talk to. Doctor nick ?

    Maybe read the links I posted?


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    Boggles
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    I've spoken to an expert today and they told me that children are not at risk. They may not even be able to catch or spread the virus.

    They weren't an expert, they were a fúcking dribbling simpleton.


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    devondudley
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    Maybe read the links I posted?


    I did I’m not arguing with you but they know the 11 year old had symptoms 3 days before the other brother next door and are working off the assumption one infected the other. Also the mother is now showing signs and the 5 of them have been quarantined since last Thursday so on that theory one of them infected the rest. It’s a pretty big assumption to think children can’t in all cases infect others


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    normanoffside
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    devondudley wrote: »
    I did I’m not arguing with you but they know the 11 year old had symptoms 3 days before the other brother next door and are working off the assumption one infected the other. Also the mother is now showing signs and the 5 of them have been quarantined since last Thursday so on that theory one of them infected the rest. It’s a pretty big assumption to think children can’t in all cases infect others

    I’m not saying they ‘can’t in all cases’

    The studies say they are much less likely to.

    They are also much less likely to get a serious case and infinitely less likely to die, therefore given the evidence it’s perhaps worth considering that keeping schools closed may be doing a lot more harm than good.


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    Murple
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    School closures likely to have little impact on spread of coronavirus, review finds

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/apr/06/school-closures-have-little-impact-on-spread-of-coronavirus-study

    Well it does stand to reason that closing schools had little impact seeing as children can’t get the virus or spread it apparently.
    Sure schools only have children in them. They basically teach and supervise themselves. The children transport themselves to school and all leave on their own at the end of the day. No collections needed. They never use public transport, either alone or in groups. They should have been left open the whole time. Come to think of it all children’s activities should have continued as well seeing as they are risk free.
    Those schools in the UK that stayed open after ours were just exaggerating when they talked of real difficulty getting staff as so many were sick or in isolation. Why didn’t someone tell them that schools are just for children, no adults needed.


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    thomasdylan
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    Murple wrote: »
    Well it does stand to reason that closing schools had little impact seeing as children can’t get the virus or spread it apparently.
    Sure schools only have children in them. They basically teach and supervise themselves. The children transport themselves to school and all leave on their own at the end of the day. No collections needed. They never use public transport, either alone or in groups. They should have been left open the whole time. Come to think of it all children’s activities should have continued as well seeing as they are risk free.
    Those schools in the UK that stayed open after ours were just exaggerating when they talked of real difficulty getting staff as so many were sick or in isolation. Why didn’t someone tell them that schools are just for children, no adults needed.

    Is this a teaching example of a strawman?

    Schools in England that are open to look after Healthcare workers children and vulnerable children are at 5% or less of their usual student number. The school I know in West London has 30 students of over 1000 attending.

    It'd definitely something that should be looked into here.


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    munster87
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    Murple wrote: »
    Well it does stand to reason that closing schools had little impact seeing as children can’t get the virus or spread it apparently.
    Sure schools only have children in them. They basically teach and supervise themselves. The children transport themselves to school and all leave on their own at the end of the day. No collections needed. They never use public transport, either alone or in groups. They should have been left open the whole time. Come to think of it all children’s activities should have continued as well seeing as they are risk free.
    Those schools in the UK that stayed open after ours were just exaggerating when they talked of real difficulty getting staff as so many were sick or in isolation. Why didn’t someone tell them that schools are just for children, no adults needed.

    It actually makes sense to pass on leadership of the country to children now.


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