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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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    #722
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    My brother and his wife both had bad bouts of covid19 and their kids got it too.

    Here is a boy who got it
    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200407/little-boy-with-cystic-fibrosis-beats-coronavirus

    Kids caan get it but like adults they get over it

    babies
    https://kfmradio.com/news/11042020-1601/hse-several-babies-kildare-have-tested-positive-covid-19


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    #723
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    devondudley wrote: »
    My next door neighbours kids aged 9 and 11 both tested positive last sat. So that means they can just head away to school they will be fine not infecting anyone. What expect did u talk to. Doctor nick ?

    Dear oh Dear oh Dear my poor friend think before you post.

    If they tested positive they would stay at home for 14 days as public health advice recommends to.

    In fact as has been said numerous times by the CMO, they should self isolate from the moment they have symptoms regardless of a positive test.


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    #724
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    khalessi wrote: »
    My brother and his wife both had bad bouts of covid19 and their kids got it too.

    Here is a boy who got it
    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200407/little-boy-with-cystic-fibrosis-beats-coronavirus

    Kids caan get it but like adults they get over it

    babies
    https://kfmradio.com/news/11042020-1601/hse-several-babies-kildare-have-tested-positive-covid-19

    Ah would you ever stop with this nonsense.

    We all know kids can get it.

    We're just saying that, thankfully, they are not at much at risk of becoming seriously ill as older people are.


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    #725
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    trapp wrote: »
    Ah would you ever stop with this nonsense.

    We all know kids can get it.

    We're just saying that, thankfully, they are not at much at risk of becoming seriously ill as older people are.

    Trapp Im intitled to my opinion as are you. Yiu know, I knowm but there are still people who, if you scroll up still think children cannot get it. So just pointing out that they can is all.


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    #726
    devondudley
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭devondudley


    trapp wrote: »
    Dear oh Dear oh Dear my poor friend think before you post.

    If they tested positive they would stay at home for 14 days as public health advice recommends to.

    In fact as has been said numerous times by the CMO, they should self isolate from the moment they have symptoms regardless of a positive test.


    Read the thread I wasn’t suggesting that at all you smart ass what I was saying was going by the other posters logic that kids can’t infect others they are fine to head out.


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    #727
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    devondudley wrote: »
    Read the thread I wasn’t suggesting that at all you smart ass what I was saying was going by the other posters logic that kids can’t infect others they are fine to head out.

    Fair enough.

    Apologies.


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    #728
    [Deleted User]
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    trapp wrote: »
    I spoke to a parent today who feels there are more risks to keeping their child at home indefinitely.

    The child hasn't seen his friends or teacher since early March.

    The sports he plays have all been shut down and remain so.

    He has become anxious, tempermental and withdrawn spending hours on computer games.

    The parent is genuinely sad for their child.

    In case you haven't noticed my poor friend the virus does not cause any serious health issues in children.

    Children have died my "poor friend".


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    #729
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Even if their child is at risk? Which they will be in a school where social distancing can't realistically happen and shared toilets etc. That's sad.

    A lot just don't care. They just want the kids out of their hair so they can get back to wine o clock or the gym.


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    #730
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    trapp wrote: »
    I spoke to a parent today who feels there are more risks to keeping their child at home indefinitely.

    The child hasn't seen his friends or teacher since early March.

    The sports he plays have all been shut down and remain so.

    He has become anxious, tempermental and withdrawn spending hours on computer games.

    The parent is genuinely sad for their child.

    In case you haven't noticed my poor friend the virus does not cause any serious health issues in children.

    Children are spreaders and children have died, my poor friend.


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    #731
    NelRom
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭NelRom


    Sports and other hobbies shutting down is also a proble, but you can practice football, hurley, music most homes other than apartments. Keeping the structure of these things in place is important for mental health.


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    #732
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Children have died my "poor friend".

    Unfortunately it is impossible to discuss any serious issue with people like yourself who are simply unwilling to consider the truth.

    A child or children may have died.

    But this virus is one that has a much much worse impact on our older population.

    That point simply cannot be argued against in a reasonable and balanced discussion.

    If you choose to then I might suggest you've lost your tinfoil.


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    #733
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Children are spreaders and children have died, my poor friend.

    We'll have to agree to disagree.

    I believe the virus has a much much worse impact on our older population than on children and younger people.

    This is borne out by the statistics worldwide and the awful impact of the virus in nursing homes.

    Despite the evidence to the contrary you believe children and young people are affected just as badly and many become very ill too.

    You are entitled to your opinion.

    We'll send you a letter to come out of your bunker in a few years.

    By the way I agree with plenty of your posts but sometimes you are a bit too negative my poor man.


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    #734
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Children have died my "poor friend".

    Children die every day, get used to it.


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    #735
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    NelRom wrote: »
    Sports and other hobbies shutting down is also a proble, but you can practice football, hurley, music most homes other than apartments. Keeping the structure of these things in place is important for mental health.

    Its important for life. It's an escape from the mundanity of killing time till we die. The lockdown lovers are already doing what the rest of us are having a challenge with. It's no differnece to them.


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    #736
    Radharc na Sleibhte
    Registered Users Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭Radharc na Sleibhte


    Deaths by age group in Ireland from Covid-19:
    none below the age of 20
    20 to 30 - fewer than five
    30 to 40 - fewer than five
    40 to 49 - 12 deaths
    50 to 59 - 29 deaths
    60 to 69 - 53 deaths
    70 plus - 667 deaths

    From Fergal Bowers


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    #737
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »
    Deaths by age group in Ireland from Covid-19:
    none below the age of 20
    20 to 30 - fewer than five
    30 to 40 - fewer than five
    40 to 49 - 12 deaths
    50 to 59 - 29 deaths
    60 to 69 - 53 deaths
    70 plus - 667 deaths

    From Fergal Bowers

    Despite the evidence I can think of a few posters who will still insist the virus is deadly to children.


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    #738
    Ray Donovan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    trapp wrote: »
    Despite the evidence I can think of a few posters who will still insist the virus is deadly to children.

    If an 8 year old picks it up and brings it to school it will be deadly to A LOT of people's grandparents. I think that is the crux of the matter really.


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    #739
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    If an 8 year old picks it up and brings it to school it will be deadly to A LOT of people's grandparents. I think that is the crux of the matter really.

    So our choices here are do we keep schools closed or do we cocoon grandparents until there's a better option?

    One choice has a huge impact on a large number of people in our society, the other choice while still not ideal, not so much.


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    #740
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    So our choices here are do we keep schools closed or do we cocoon grandparents until there's a better option?

    Either causes mental distress as children will be separaed from their grandparents and vice versa, an important relationship to a lot of children, and the schools closed means they will miss their friends.

    It is a tough decision either way

    Eventually the schools will reopen whether in June or September, hopefully the Dept of Ed will have some tangible plan apart from leaving it locally to teachers to organise. That is the biggest worry


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    #741
    Ray Donovan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    khalessi wrote: »
    Either causes mental distress as children will be separaed from their grandparents and vice versa, an important relationship to a lot of children, and the schools closed means they will miss their friends.

    It is a tough decision either way
    Eventually the schools will reopen whether in June or September, hopefully the Dept of Ed will have some tangible plan apart from leaving it locally to teachers to organise. That is the biggest worry

    They won't!!


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    #742
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    They won't!!

    I hope later rather then sooner, as it will give the Dept a better chance to come up with a workable plan instead of what I suspect will be the teachers will sort it out.

    It needs proper planning. Regardless of whether you think this is a little cold or a major pandemic (I err on pandemic), it is a novel virus and although we have learned a lot about it over the last 100 days or so, there is still so much unknown, so it needs to be treated with respect and planned for accordingly.


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    #743
    iguana
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 12,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    If an 8 year old picks it up and brings it to school it will be deadly to A LOT of people's grandparents. I think that is the crux of the matter really.

    Children don't appear to spread it though. There has been contact tracing done on children who tested positive and not one of their contacts became infected by them. It's too early to base policy on early studies but right from the beginning the data was suggesting that children are not spreaders of Covid and as more data is gathered this is increasingly looking to be true. Most children are infected by adults in the home and do not spread themselves. My feeling is that schools should remain closed for another few weeks/months and this should be studied further. Then if the evidence keeps pointing to children not being spreaders schools should be opened in as normal away as possible for the children with the biggest changes that are made being ones to stop school staff and parents spreading the virus.


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    #744
    Supercell
    Registered Users Posts: 15,323 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    iguana wrote: »
    Children don't appear to spread it though. There has been contact tracing done on children who tested positive and not one of their contacts became infected by them.
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    Then if the evidence keeps pointing to children not being spreaders schools should be opened in as normal away as possible for the children with the biggest changes that are made being ones to stop school staff and parents spreading the virus.

    That's a fair point but the children, especially the primary school ages, need someone, usually an adult, and often a grandparent, to bring and collect them from the school. How to handle that to my mind is a pretty big concern. Maybe staggered starts and staggered finishes?
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    #745
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    We cant really keep schools closed because some grandparents mind their grandchildren. The majority of families use childcare.


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    #746
    iguana
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 12,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Supercell wrote: »
    Maybe staggered starts and staggered finishes?

    That could be part of a plan. Also mandatory masks for adults during drop off and pick up. Staff interactions with each other and with parents would need to be carefully handled too. Strict social distancing to be maintained by staff sharing a classroom, ie teacher and SNA. Staggered lunch breaks to minimise the amount of staff in the staffroom at any time. Extra cleaning to be done each day, especially of the staff toilets. Staff meetings and teacher/SNA meetings with parents to all be done remotely, etc. But school life for children would be largely the same as before. Staggered start, lunch and finish times would mean less interaction with children in other classrooms but other than that, their routines would be mostly normal. Meaning that their ability to learn and socialise would be least impacted.


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    #747
    History Queen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭History Queen


    iguana wrote: »
    Children don't appear to spread it though. There has been contact tracing done on children who tested positive and not one of their contacts became infected by them. It's too early to base policy on early studies but right from the beginning the data was suggesting that children are not spreaders of Covid and as more data is gathered this is increasingly looking to be true. Most children are infected by adults in the home and do not spread themselves. My feeling is that schools should remain closed for another few weeks/months and this should be studied further. Then if the evidence keeps pointing to children not being spreaders schools should be opened in as normal away as possible for the children with the biggest changes that are made being ones to stop school staff and parents spreading the virus.

    Was that evidence not just based on one child not spreading? I wasn't aware there was widespread evidence of this. I did a quick google there and couldn't find it, can u send on a link please?


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    #748
    Long_Wave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 136 ✭✭Long_Wave


    Schools should be opened tommorow imo. The whole idea is to stop the spread so that hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed at once but the hospitals seem to be empy at the moment with the vast majority of covid 19 cases within the 4 walls of nursing homes.


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    #749
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Long_Wave wrote: »
    Schools should be opened tommorow imo. The whole idea is to stop the spread so that hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed at once but the hospitals seem to be empy at the moment with the vast majority of covid 19 cases within the 4 walls of nursing homes.

    How do you plan to open the schools safely for over 1 million students?


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    #750
    Long_Wave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 136 ✭✭Long_Wave


    khalessi wrote: »
    How do you plan to open the schools safely for over 1 million students?

    I don't know if you aware of this, but the schools were never closed to stop the children or yourself from getting covid 19 ever, whether it's tommorow or September 2021 there is no getting away from it.


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    #751
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Long_Wave wrote: »
    I don't know if you aware of this, but the schools were never closed to stop the children or yourself from getting covid 19 ever, whether it's tommorow or September 2021 there is no getting away from it.

    Regardless, what plan do you have for reopening them for over a million students? I didnt expect them to be closed forever


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