Relaxation of restrictions

JRant · 19-04-2020 06:41PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I think you'll find the teacher unions will come up with compelling reason why they can't do this.

I can't see why. These are exceptional times and they will have had a couple of months off already. It should be an option IMO.

Mic 1972 · 19-04-2020 06:43PM

490 new cases in a country of 4.9 million people is the equivalent of 6,000 cases in a country of 60 million people (Italy)
Not exactly a low number. It's less than yesterday but still worryingly high

drunkmonkey · 19-04-2020 06:43PM

Augeo wrote: »

More people in Dublin so there's more cases..... I imagine it's not a huge outlier per capita TBH.

Today's deaths 39,
38 of which are in the east. Granted Dublin has the most people, still only 1 death in the rest of the country.

If you look at the per capital ratio you'd think everywhere is in trouble but does numbers need to be updated. There not showing a live picture.

road_high · 19-04-2020 06:44PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Far from it, but exactly how do you think would that be possible to implement?

As another poster said- roadblocks in and out of Dublin. They’re doing it already so just do that and end them elsewhere where they serve no purpose

KrustyUCC · 19-04-2020 06:45PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I actually fear for the mental health of a couple of the posters here if things don't go their way on the 5th. Some need to take a few days out and relax.

Yes an extension of restrictions will be bad for people's mental health

We will have had 54 days of restrictions up to that point

54 days of not seeing friends, family, those in relationships not living together

It's not easy on people

road_high · 19-04-2020 06:46PM

Augeo wrote: »

Apologies if so.
There was an analysis on boards that suggested otherwise....ill try & find it.

Here ya go https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-cavan-worst-affected-county-outside-of-dublin-latest-figures-suggest-1.4232591%3fmode=amp

JRant · 19-04-2020 06:46PM

road_high wrote: »

I fear for the mental health of the whole country- it’s a real issue for many, not one I would think needed to be scoffed at or dismissed. We will face a mental health crisis coupled with an economic one

Spot on. All the doom and gloom media messages can't be just erased from people's memories. "Stay at home or people will die" will suddenly become "head out but be careful". I know a few grandparents that are bloody terrified at the moment, afraid to leave their own houses in case "it" gets them. Even cowering away from their own grandchildren.
The mental health toll of this will be huge and will still be with us long after this virus has left us.

drunkmonkey · 19-04-2020 06:46PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

490 new cases in a country of 4.9 million people is the equivalent of 6,000 cases in a country of 60 million people (Italy)
Not exactly a low number. It's less than yesterday but still worryingly high

Our average age is way lower than Italy, it can't have the same effect here. We can also contain it a lot quicker due to our size.

easypazz · 19-04-2020 06:47PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

490 new cases in a country of 4.9 million people is the equivalent of 6,000 cases in a country of 60 million people (Italy)
Not exactly a low number. It's less than yesterday but still worryingly high

Depends on the nature of the tests though.

We are actively chasing patients, staff and contacts around the known nursing home clusters etc. so maybe hitting all the right people.

road_high · 19-04-2020 06:47PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes an extension of restrictions will be bad for people's mental health

We will have had 54 days of restrictions up to that point

54 days of not seeing friends, family, those in relationships not living together

It's not easy on people

Officially yes but the restrictions had well started before the official government ones. Business closures and home working have been underway since early March in truth

19-04-2020 06:49PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Today's deaths 39,
38 of which are in the east. Granted Dublin has the most people, still only 1 death in the rest of the country.

If you look at the per capital ratio you'd think everywhere is in trouble but does numbers need to be updated. There not showing a live picture.

Would you base much on today's death figure?
Overall Dublin has 50% of the cases as of Friday gone.
I can't see regional easing of restrictions based on any data so far TBH.
I'm fairly unbiased BTW, no kids & still working so I'm largely unaffected by restrictions so far.

easypazz · 19-04-2020 06:49PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes an extension of restrictions will be bad for people's mental health

We will have had 54 days of restrictions up to that point

54 days of not seeing friends, family, those in relationships not living together

It's not easy on people

They might get away with another week, but would have to set out a clear guarantee as to what will open and when after that.

billyhead · 19-04-2020 06:49PM

When do people think pubs, gyms, barbers/hairdressers would reopen? Will they be some of the last businesses to open again?

Professor Moriarty · 19-04-2020 06:50PM

JRant wrote: »

Spot on. All the doom and gloom media messages can't be just erased from people's memories. "Stay at home or people will die" will suddenly become "head out but be careful". I know a few grandparents that are bloody terrified at the moment, afraid to leave their own houses in case "it" gets them. Even cowering away from their own grandchildren.
The mental health toll of this will be huge and will still be with us long after this virus has left us.

It is awful for some people. For others, it will have been an opportunity to take a giant step back from their lives and to reassess what is important.

road_high · 19-04-2020 06:52PM

easypazz wrote: »

They might get away with another week, but would have to set out a clear guarantee as to what will open and when after that.

I’m not so sure. This has been going on since early March. Two months solid of closures and severe restrictions by early May.

Paddygreen · 19-04-2020 06:53PM

easypazz wrote: »

People in apartments will understandably walk to the park and sit there.

They should only sit for a maximum of twenty minutes. I hope the guards are moving them on.

road_high · 19-04-2020 06:54PM

billyhead wrote: »

When do people think pubs, gyms, barbers/hairdressers would reopen? Will they be some of the last businesses to open again?

Would love to know. I’m doing online exercise classes which are ok but seriously miss the gym. Meeting people and just going there. I’m definitely less active overall though which isn’t good.
Also could do with a hair chop!

Cork Boy 53 · 19-04-2020 06:56PM

road_high wrote: »

As another poster said- roadblocks in and out of Dublin. They’re doing it already so just do that and end them elsewhere where they serve no purpose

OK then. Playing along with your suggestion being implemented how long do you think it would be before there would be an utter ****estorm from people and businesses in the East complaining about being unfairly discriminated against because of location? It would be a brave politician that would introduce such a measure.

Gael23 · 19-04-2020 06:56PM

road_high wrote: »

I’m not so sure. This has been going on since early March. Two months solid of closures and severe restrictions by early May.

Agreed. People. Want take it of something doesn’t give on May 5th

road_high · 19-04-2020 06:57PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

They should only sit for a maximum of twenty minutes. I hope the guards are moving them on.

And check their IDs. I saw in India they were beating people with canes too. Surprised drew Harris didn’t bring that it in. He’d have got widespread support

drunkmonkey · 19-04-2020 06:57PM

Augeo wrote: »

Would you base much on today's death figure?
Overall Dublin has 50% of the cases as of Friday gone.
I can't see regional easing of restrictions based on any data so far TBH.
I'm fairly unbiased BTW, no kids & still working so I'm largely unaffected by restrictions so far.

We probably won't have data for another week or two. The 2km thing needs to go but maybe not outside Dublin. It's a bit of a joke in the country side anyway.

We're screwed in this house without childcare workers, Mrs is working from home so I'm stuck until someone can mind them.

road_high · 19-04-2020 06:59PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

OK then. Playing along with your suggestion being implemented how long do you think it would be before there would be an utter ****estorm from people and businesses in the East complaining about being unfairly discriminated against because of location? it would be a brave person that would introduce such a measure.

Well they’re already being restricted right now so it’ll be the same. I don’t see why the rest of the country should stay in deep freeze for one part. It makes sense to do this

road_high · 19-04-2020 07:01PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We probably won't have data for another week or two. The 2km thing needs to go but maybe not outside Dublin. It's a bit of a joke in the country side anyway.

We're screwed in this house without childcare workers, Mrs is working from home so I'm stuck until someone can mind them.

Surly the two Km thing inside Dublin you mean? It’s far more restrictive for more rural dwellers with limited facilities

drunkmonkey · 19-04-2020 07:01PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

They should only sit for a maximum of twenty minutes. I hope the guards are moving them on.

It's going to be hard to come back from sort of mentality that's out there at the moment. Sitting on a bench should never be an offence.

the kelt · 19-04-2020 07:04PM

JRant wrote: »

Spot on. All the doom and gloom media messages can't be just erased from people's memories. "Stay at home or people will die" will suddenly become "head out but be careful". I know a few grandparents that are bloody terrified at the moment, afraid to leave their own houses in case "it" gets them. Even cowering away from their own grandchildren.
The mental health toll of this will be huge and will still be with us long after this virus has left us.

It’s funny how the use of words resonate differently with people.

I mean the official line always has been “by doing this you are saving lives” it’s a very good message, it’s exactly what people need to hear, psychologically it’s a great message.

But somewhere along the way people twisted that to “stay at home or people will die” as per above which although some people think it means the same it really doesn’t, it’s hope versus fear and it’s very deliberate.

The fact is it isn’t a competition in regards to what to do next, there is no right or wrong answer, it’s trial and error and will remain that way until a viable vaccine is found.

But there also seems to be an idea of lockdown until it’s gone or a vaccine, that was never the case anywhere. At some stage there will be tough decisions to be made where relaxation is going to happen and is going to cost the lives of some people unfortunately but that seems hard to grasp which is understandable but unfortunately a reality which generally leads to accusations of choosing economics over life etc.

There ain’t going to be any winners out of this no matter what happens.

drunkmonkey · 19-04-2020 07:05PM

road_high wrote: »

Surly the two Km thing inside Dublin you mean? It’s far more restrictive for more rural dwellers with limited facilities

Yes inside Dublin, I'm not sure how many people are abiding by it down the country anyway, car park was pretty full in the shopping center today. As for shops the front doors are closed but you can still walk in the back door.

KrustyUCC · 19-04-2020 07:06PM

easypazz wrote: »

They might get away with another week, but would have to set out a clear guarantee as to what will open and when after that.

Not sure they will want to set out any plan with clear guarantees

Funny Harris had a big article in the Indo today

Now he's tweeting about people being complacent

Their message is as clear as mud

Mic 1972 · 19-04-2020 07:15PM

This is my favorite to explain the stupidity of relaxing the restrictions

The curve is flattening; we can start lifting restrictions now = The parachute has slowed our rate of descent; we can take it off now

easypazz · 19-04-2020 07:16PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

This is my favorite to explain the stupidity of relaxing the restrictions

The curve is flattening; we can start lifting restrictions now = The parachute has slowed our rate of descent; we can take it off now

Its a stupid analogy.

pjohnson · 19-04-2020 07:19PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

This is my favorite to explain the stupidity of relaxing the restrictions

The curve is flattening; we can start lifting restrictions now = The parachute has slowed our rate of descent; we can take it off now

Great way of putting it!

Will trigger some though.

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