Relaxation of restrictions

Tenzor07

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A lot own their pubs and it's their life, I'd expect the majority to come back. They've no income after another 8 weeks, they'll want to be open again. There not a group can reskill due to their age.

On the balance of things, smaller pub owners may decide that the cost of rent, rates, costs aren't worth it and will either cash in and pay off any debt and leave the trade or will declare bankruptcy.

Larger operators who have multiple licences may close some of the less profitable pubs.

Either way we are looking at a very changed pub environment in this country and it won't look like it did in the past for many years. Many pubs were in danger of closing anyway due to other factors, one of which is people are moving to a more healthy lifestyle.

lastusername

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

'Seem to be' is the key phrase. You honestly just don't get it and probably never will, because you're completely lacking in both empathy and common sense.

Most people who know me would say I'm doing brilliantly. I don't talk about how hard it is to most people. They see me learning new languages, cooking different things, working hard every day, being productive, taking the chance to save hard for a flat deposit, getting through loads of books. They don't see the anxiety and the fear about the future, because I don't talk about it. Doesn't mean it's not there. People I'm close to are confiding in me about how much they're struggling - they're all outwardly successful, confident and happy. This is nothing out of the norm when it comes to mental illness.

Can't believe a grown adult can't grasp this.

It's ok to be anxious and fearful, they are normal human emotions after all. It's not a problem and not a "sign" of anything.

It doesn't mean anything in and of itself, you can be confident and productive and do all the things you want to do as far as you can right now, and still have those emotions...and still be ok

easypazz

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A lot own their pubs and it's their life, I'd expect the majority to come back. They've no income after another 8 weeks, they'll want to be open again. There not a group can reskill due to their age.

Rural pubs have been closing for years, there are a few I know of that won't bother open.

They will have income in 8 weeks, regular dole.

lainey_d_123

lastusername wrote: »

It's ok to be anxious and fearful, they are normal human emotions after all. It's not a problem and not a "sign" of anything.

It doesn't mean anything in and of itself, you can be confident and productive and do all the things you want to do as far as you can right now, and still have those emotions...and still be ok

????

I know?

I said there will be an increase in things like anxiety and OCD and even more pressure on mental health services. That's pretty much a given, whatever some people might think.

Jurgen Klopp

road_high wrote: »

No but what they’re doing now with severe levels of Garda checkpoints could work as it is now. Just applied to Dublin and the rest of us can continue on again. If you’ve legitimate essential travel to and from Dublin you can do that as people are currently doing.

It's not unknown, sure the Finn's quarantined Helsinki.

Not sure if I'd be for it myself tho, would be more worried wed see Northern Italy type situation with loads fleeing the place to the rest of Ireland when it would be announced, would we have enough to effectively do it.

drunkmonkey

Tenzor07 wrote: »

On the balance of things, smaller pub owners may decide that the cost of rent, rates, costs aren't worth it and will either cash in and pay off any debt and leave the trade or will declare bankruptcy.

Larger operators who have multiple licences may close some of the less profitable pubs.

Either way we are looking at a very changed pub environment in this country and it won't look like it did in the past for many years. Many pubs were in danger of closing anyway due to other factors, one of which is people are moving to a more healthy lifestyle.

If your renting and it's not a lucrative location i'd say those owners have already tapped out.
I don't know what will happen to the clubs, they can't shut the club scence for years. Strange days, it'll be back to the 90's heading out to party in hazchem suits.

lastusername

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

????

I know?

I said there will be an increase in things like anxiety and OCD and even more pressure on mental health services. That's pretty much a given, whatever some people might think.

Just trying to help.

Cork Boy 53

timmy_mallet wrote: »

If it keeps the baby eating, turf munching, bog dwellers out, then yes, I'm all for it.

Same applies if it means that the up their own arses Shane Ross types are confined to their natural habitat.

pjohnson

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Same applies if it means that the up their own arses Shane Ross types are confined to their natural habitat.

Keeping dubs outta the way means the Gaelic football might become semi-decent again.

Gael23

lastusername wrote: »

Depends on whether they lift the 2km limit, right?!

Yes it does. Is there any hints if that will happen?

lastusername

Gael23 wrote: »

Yes it does. Is there any hints if that will happen?

Will be interesting to see! I don't think they will know for another week at least, it'll depend on the transmission rate staying below one I reckon.

stephenjmcd

Harris on his nightly Twitter video saying the comments in the independent today should be taken as just that comments, his opinion. Said that ultimately they'll follow whatever the public health doctors say.

Look I think hes done a good job but it's pointless giving interviews with his own opinion when the papers can turn that whatever way they want for a headline like what was done today, ultimately it's the CMO and his team that will decide everything.

Tenzor07

Gael23 wrote: »

Yes it does. Is there any hints if that will happen?

We're not being told anything as we can't be trusted as a people to take our foot off the brake at the first sign of which restrictions will be eased..

Gael23

Gael23 wrote: »

Yes it does. Is there any hints if that will happen?

It depends on if infection numbers start to drop off I imagine. I'm optimistic about it. But also realistically open to the other possibility.

Tenzor07

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Harris on his nightly Twitter video saying the comments in the independent today should be taken as just that comments, his opinion. Said that ultimately they'll follow whatever the public health doctors say.
Look I think hes done a good job but it's pointless giving interviews with his own opinion when the papers can turn that whatever way they want, ultimately it's the CMO and his team that will decide everything.

I'd say he is "performing as expected" fulfilling the role, and taking all the advise from the medical experts and statistical modellers.

Anyone could hardly fail to do that could they?

Gael23

I’m getting a more positive vibe off the CMO about how it’s going rather than Harris.

Nermal

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ultimately it's the CMO and his team that will decide everything.

Abdication of responsibility, and totally confirms the suspicions raised on this thread about how the lockdown policies are formulated.

These are not solely medical decisions. They’re economic and political ones as well. Harris is supposed to take advice, and own the decision himself.

stephenjmcd

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I'd say he is "performing as expected" fulfilling the role, and taking all the advise from the medical experts and statistical modellers.

Anyone could hardly fail to do that could they?

No he basically does as NHPET tell him, but he needs to stop doing these interviews that get turned into headlines when it's his opinion. We all have our own opinions but end of the day it's up to the CMO and his team

drunkmonkey

If the infection rate drops to 0 as in nobody has it. Does that mean the only restrictions we need are on people coming into the country. That probably means a manned border with the north though and Leo will have to take off his Euro hat.

Spanish Eyes

I think we are very resilient and will cope no matter what.

It is the "get out of lockdown" now crowd that will destroy it quite frankly.

Anyway, with due respect to the economy and the need to keep things ticking over, it is going to be a long haul I think.

The money will come from somewhere, the EU, the IMF whatever, every country in the world is going through the same thing, so we are not alone.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If the infection rate drops to 0 as in nobody has it. Does that mean the only restrictions we need are on people coming into the country. That probably means a manned border with the north though and Leo will have to take off his Euro hat.

Even if we wanted to we don't have enough resources to man the border with the north.

Gael23

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If the infection rate drops to 0 as in nobody has it. Does that mean the only restrictions we need are on people coming into the country. That probably means a manned border with the north though and Leo will have to take off his Euro hat.

We need some restrictions to keep it away until we get the vaccine. What is the rate as of now?

cython

lastusername wrote: »

Depends on whether they lift the 2km limit, right?!

Unless the poster is planning on walking/running/cycling to Dublin (and thus exercising) to collect these items then the 2km limit is irrelevant, so no, it doesn't depend on that.

And in case it's not self-evident, one can go more than 2km from home by any of the above modes if it classes as an essential journey (purchasing essentials, or for essential work).

GazzaL

We're a very resilient people. No doubt restrictions will be eased, people will return to work and use the necessary precautions. We'll work hard to be able to look after the elderly and vulnerable, pay for the necessary support that they need and fund the health services like we always have done through our taxes. We won't be relying on handouts or further unnecessary borrowing that will cripple future generations. It's our duty.

easypazz

Hana Teeny Snob wrote: »

Even if we wanted to we don't have enough resources to man the border with the north.

We do if we need to. Close all roads except major roads.

Some people might hike across fields etc. but why would they bother?

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Gael23 wrote: »

We need some restrictions to keep it away until we get the vaccine. What is the rate as of now?

R0 is estimated to be between 0.7 and 1.0 at the moment. This is good but delicate as its direct result of restrictions and could rise quickly again if we aren't careful.

Restrictions realistically can't remain in place until there's a vaccine as a vaccine is not a definite certainty and even if it was its at least a year away minimum.

lastusername

cython wrote: »

Unless the poster is planning on walking/running/cycling to Dublin (and thus exercising) to collect these items then the 2km limit is irrelevant, so no, it doesn't depend on that.

And in case it's not self-evident, one can go more than 2km from home by any of the above modes if it classes as an essential journey (purchasing essentials, or for essential work).

It depends on whether the "essential" req is lifted then.

Gael23

cython wrote: »

Unless the poster is planning on walking/running/cycling to Dublin (and thus exercising) to collect these items then the 2km limit is irrelevant, so no, it doesn't depend on that.

And in case it's not self-evident, one can go more than 2km from home by any of the above modes if it classes as an essential journey (purchasing essentials, or for essential work).

That’s where the definition of essential comes into question.

drunkmonkey

Hana Teeny Snob wrote: »

R0 is estimated to be between 0.7 and 1.0 at the moment. This is good but delicate as its direct result of restrictions and could rise quickly again if we aren't careful.
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How can it rise quickly, we imported the virus them pretty much killed it before it went nuclear. We'd need to import it again.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

easypazz wrote: »

We do if we need to. Close all roads except major roads.

Some people might hike across fields etc. but why would they bother?

Even during the troubles it proved difficult to patrol the border and we would have had larger numbers of Gardai and army personnel then too.

The border is too long and has too much access through many roads (nearly 300 entry points) to control.