Relaxation of restrictions

Mic 1972

easypazz wrote: »

Its a stupid analogy.

What's stupid is dismissing that flattening the curve is the result of restrictions.
We haven't landed yet, it's too early to celebrate

Rainmann

I wonder if the easing of restrictions on May 5th will look anything like what they are doing in the US. The US is taking a phased approach, even opening guys in phase one which surprised me.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/#phase-one

facehugger99

Mic 1972 wrote: »

This is my favorite to explain the stupidity of relaxing the restrictions

The curve is flattening; we can start lifting restrictions now = The parachute has slowed our rate of descent; we can take it off now

That's the trouble with analogies - you can just make up any old ****e to suit your agenda.

drunkmonkey

Mic 1972 wrote: »

What's stupid is dismissing that flattening the curve is the result of restrictions.
We haven't landed yet, it's too early to celebrate

The thinking behind flattering the curve was to protect the hospitals, there is no massive surge coming now. We've landed but stupid decision like flying in 200 romains and still allowing more flights in form the UK etc without putting these people in forced isolation for 30 days makes all our efforts pointless.
Someone in the thread earlier was coming in from the UK today to go to Clare. It makes a joke of the whole thing, they can take a flight travel the width of the country and I can't go to the park 2.5km away.

the kelt

Mic 1972 wrote: »

What's stupid is dismissing that flattening the curve is the result of restrictions.
We haven't landed yet, it's too early to celebrate

It depends what you define to be “landed” by your analogy your saying by easing restrictions we are going to die which maybe you do believe.

Your analogy compared easing the restrictions to removing a parachute for example but surely that’s only accurate if your comparing it to removing the restrictions completely which isn’t going to happen.

Unfortunately we can only flatten the curve, we can’t remove it altogether without a vaccine.

Cork Boy 53

easypazz wrote: »

Its a stupid analogy.

I think it`s a very appropriate one actually.

road_high

Mic 1972 wrote: »

What's stupid is dismissing that flattening the curve is the result of restrictions.
We haven't landed yet, it's too early to celebrate

No one is celebrating plus we have another solid two weeks of lockdown ahead. It's not like it's ending tomorrow.

pjohnson

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The thinking behind flattering the curve was to protect the hospitals, there is no massive surge coming now. We've landed but stupid decision like flying in 200 romains and still allowing more flights in form the UK etc without putting these people in forced isolation for 30 days makes all our efforts pointless.
Someone in the thread earlier was coming in from the UK today to go to Clare. It makes a joke of the whole thing, they can take a flight travel the width of the country and I can't go to the park 2.5km away.

Do you know why there is no surge?

lord quackinton

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0419/1132490-transplant-surgery-paused/

And the damage done by this lockdown
The lockdowners don’t get it , they are backing a plan that will actually ruin children’s lives

VonLuck

pjohnson wrote: »

Great way of putting it!


Will trigger some though.

It's a terrible analogy. It suggests that if restrictions are relaxed it's guaranteed failure, which is just ludicrous.

JRant

the kelt wrote: »

It’s funny how the use of words resonate differently with people.

I mean the official line always has been “by doing this you are saving lives” it’s a very good message, it’s exactly what people need to hear, psychologically it’s a great message.

But somewhere along the way people twisted that to “stay at home or people will die” as per above which although some people think it means the same it really doesn’t, it’s hope versus fear and it’s very deliberate.

The fact is it isn’t a competition in regards to what to do next, there is no right or wrong answer, it’s trial and error and will remain that way until a viable vaccine is found.

But there also seems to be an idea of lockdown until it’s gone or a vaccine, that was never the case anywhere. At some stage there will be tough decisions to be made where relaxation is going to happen and is going to cost the lives of some people unfortunately but that seems hard to grasp which is understandable but unfortunately a reality which generally leads to accusations of choosing economics over life etc.

There ain’t going to be any winners out of this no matter what happens.

Indeed, it's a subtle difference alright. Unfortunately for a lot of people it has morphed into the latter instead of the former.

Cork Boy 53

pjohnson wrote: »

Great way of putting it!


Will trigger some though.

Indeed. It already has triggered the usual suspects on here.

drunkmonkey

pjohnson wrote: »

Do you know why there is no surge?

We ignored the nursing homes. It was always going to kill the old if allowed, we just let it happen. We didn't need lockdown in the communist sense, distancing is enough along with other hygine practices.

pjohnson

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0419/1132490-transplant-surgery-paused/

And the damage done by this lockdown
The lockdowners don’t get it , they are backing a plan that will actually ruin children’s lives

Whats this now quacky? Are you actually annoyed that the transplants were cancelled for safety concerns?

God damn health and safety is a disgrace quackydoodle!

road_high

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Indeed. It already has triggered the usual suspects on here.

Don't see anyone triggered. They don't agree and have said why. That is allowed, not everyone has the same opinion and there's no one 100% correct approach.

Professor Moriarty

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We ignored the nursing homes. It was always going to kill the old if allowed, we just let it happen. We didn't need lockdown in the communist sense, distancing is enough along with other hygine practices.

Untrue.

road_high

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We ignored the nursing homes. It was always going to kill the old if allowed, we just let it happen. We didn't need lockdown in the communist sense, distancing is enough along with other hygine practices.

Nursing homes and other care settings have been our downfall alright. Hopefully they've tackled that head on now.

drunkmonkey

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Untrue.

Well we didn't take them to hospital and there still in a jocker, I introduced measures into my business in January to prevent the spread of covid and here we are nearly in may and they still haven't got their act together, absolutely disgraceful. Asleep at the wheel is an understatement.

growleaves

bettyoleary wrote: »

Yeah where will you go first with your first weeks wages Covid Arms or the Bat and Pangolin??:rolleyes:

I'm going to break into Flannerys and barricade myself inside. You're welcome to join me.

In fact you're all cordially invited to an inessential social gathering on May 5th.

No virus talk allowed. We can discuss the Belorussian Premier League. Dynamo Minsk look good this year.

BanditLuke

Mic 1972 wrote: »

This is my favorite to explain the stupidity of relaxing the restrictions

The curve is flattening; we can start lifting restrictions now = The parachute has slowed our rate of descent; we can take it off now

Brilliant. Says it all about the open it all up crowd.

drunkmonkey

road_high wrote: »

Nursing homes and other care settings have been our downfall alright. Hopefully they've tackled that head on now.

Horse has bolted. It tore through them, it's about protecting the ones that are still ok now. Time isn't a friend in these places, horrible situation were not allowing people near them even if there dying anyway, what's the harm in a safe environment.

Spencer Brown

BanditLuke wrote: »

Brilliant. Says it all about the open it all up crowd.

Who's asking for "it all" to be opened up?

KrustyUCC

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Who's asking for "it all" to be opened up?

Nobody

They won't open it all up in one go anyway

Cyrus

BanditLuke wrote: »

Brilliant. Says it all about the open it all up crowd.

Now you say triggered too

Have ourselves a party

lainey_d_123

JRant wrote: »

Spot on. All the doom and gloom media messages can't be just erased from people's memories. "Stay at home or people will die" will suddenly become "head out but be careful". I know a few grandparents that are bloody terrified at the moment, afraid to leave their own houses in case "it" gets them. Even cowering away from their own grandchildren.
The mental health toll of this will be huge and will still be with us long after this virus has left us.

Indeed. Lots of people are going to be left with agoraphobia and OCD. I have those anyway, so weirdly it's not going to be that much different and I actually welcome the fact that people are going to be way more careful about hygiene and way less happy to crowd into places, but the majority of people are finding this situation totally alien and terrifying. Once the idea that everything is 'dirty' and 'dangerous' grips your mind, it's extremely difficult to get rid of.

trapp

I think Professor Nolan had a good way of putting it.

There is no such thing as simply lifting restrictions more finding another way to live.

For example schools will reopen in time but not as before, maybe smaller classes, less days each week for children and so on.

For example people could be allowed back on to beaches etc but numbers limited and not congregate in groups.

For example workplaces could reopen with a percentage wfh each day.

For example hair salons etc may reopen but masks might be worn by the stylist and people won't attend if they feel unwell.

For example sport may resume again but no handshakes, no congregating in changing rooms etc. There would be risk involved but in time they may feel the benefits of playing sport outweigh the risks once the virus is not as widespread

For example pubs and bars could reopen in time but at a limited capacity.

For example big matches and concerts might have to be for a limited crowd or behind closed doors.

As Professor Nolan said not simply lifting restrictions but in time living in a different way.

Edit to say the above are just my examples of how it could work.

trapp

trapp wrote: »

I think Professor Nolan had a good way of putting it.

There is no such thing as simply lifting restrictions more finding another way to live.

For example schools will reopen in time but not as before, maybe smaller classes, less days each week for children and so on.

For example people could be allowed back on to beaches etc but numbers limited and not congregate in groups.

For example workplaces could reopen with a percentage wfh each day.

For example hair salons etc may reopen but masks might be worn by the stylist and people won't attend if they feel unwell.

For example sport may resume again but no handshakes, no congregating in changing rooms etc. There would be risk involved but in time they may feel the benefits of playing sport outweigh the risks once the virus is not as widespread

For example pubs and bars could reopen in time but at a limited capacity.

For example big matches and concerts might have to be for a limited crowd or behind closed doors.

As Professor Nolan said not simply lifting restrictions but in time living in a different way.

Concerts behind closed doors would be some job.

Thelonious Monk

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Indeed. Lots of people are going to be left with agoraphobia and OCD. I have those anyway, so weirdly it's not going to be that much different and I actually welcome the fact that people are going to be way more careful about hygiene and way less happy to crowd into places, but the majority of people are finding this situation totally alien and terrifying. Once the idea that everything is 'dirty' and 'dangerous' grips your mind, it's extremely difficult to get rid of.

No Lainey, most people aren't bothered by this that much, everyone I know seems to be doing ok, including those out of work, people are resilient and will just get on with things as best they can.

Who’s professor Nolan anyway? HSE or some crank on facebook?

easypazz

VonLuck wrote: »

It's a terrible analogy. It suggests that if restrictions are relaxed it's guaranteed failure, which is just ludicrous.

It also ignores we have 2 more weeks of restrictions, after which there will be gradual easing.