FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

Idbatterim · 09-04-2020 5:01pm

PommieBast wrote: »

Over in HK income taxes are paid annually rather than via PAYE, so it would be a de-facto trial of that system over here. I'll grab the popcorn ready for the reaction from people when they realise how much tax they actually pay...

huge amounts pay as good as nothing, you are right, others if they dont already know it though, are probably in for a shock! the real shock will be how much they pay in, the mid to high income earners, for the **** they get in return!

Bass Reeves · 09-04-2020 8:20pm

efanton wrote: »

Also looks like FG have just scored a spectacular own goal

What ever hope they had of coming out of this crisis smelling of roses and winning additional seats in the Dail when the inevitiable re-election takes place has just probably gone up in smoke

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/workers-on-wage-subsidy-scheme-will-have-to-pay-tax-back-on-it-993162.html

Show you of how ignorant of the tax system some people are. For 95% of people this will create no tax liability. First 16ishK/year you earn is tax free(about310 euro/week). Couple who have credits split may get caught but you also have to factor in if you are earning even a bit more (minimum wage is 21k/year) the you have paid already will offset the liability. For those earning 10k+ more they will see a few weeks wages tax free when they go back.

Really amazed at how stupid some people are.

efanton · 09-04-2020 8:50pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Show you of how ignorant of the tax system some people are. For 95% of people this will create no tax liability. First 16ishK/year you earn is tax free(about310 euro/week). Couple who have credits split may get caught but you also have to factor in if you are earning even a bit more (minimum wage is 21k/year) the you have paid already will offset the liability. For those earning 10k+ more they will see a few weeks wages tax free when they go back.

Really amazed at how stupid some people are.

Surely the government had a responsibility to have made it clear that this money was taxable when announcing the scheme.

Many receiving their pay slip from their employers will have assumed that they were paying tax, without this being pointed out.

Yes, there's an awful lot of people they do not check they payslips, I wouldnt call that ignorant if they have never before had to calculate their tax return at the end of the year.

Bass Reeves · 09-04-2020 9:07pm

efanton wrote: »

Surely the government had a responsibility to have made it clear that this money was taxable when announcing the scheme.

Many receiving their pay slip from their employers will have assumed that they were paying tax, without this being pointed out.

Yes, there's an awful lot of people they do not check they payslips, I wouldnt call that ignorant if they have never before had to calculate their tax return at the end of the year.

Yes there always has to be someone to blame

If I spend all my money on drink and latte it's some one fault that I cannot save for a house

If I trip and fall after a night out there must be someone I can claim off

If I get pregnant at 18 it obvious that it someone fault that I cannot get a house

If I cannot pay my loan it obvious that it the banks fault.

This is only the second payment week for most get a f@@k jar and put the money into it it as simple as that.

And as I posted for most on the 350 payment there is no liability for those in the higher rates they should be able to sort it out.

Too many want a nanny state

Jinglejangle69 · 09-04-2020 10:24pm

efanton wrote: »

Surely the government had a responsibility to have made it clear that this money was taxable when announcing the scheme.

Many receiving their pay slip from their employers will have assumed that they were paying tax, without this being pointed out.

Yes, there's an awful lot of people they do not check they payslips, I wouldnt call that ignorant if they have never before had to calculate their tax return at the end of the year.

Do they need to be breast fed while the holding their hand aswell?

Common sense.

smurgen · 09-04-2020 10:41pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Do they need to be breast fed while the holding their hand aswell?

Common sense.

Like checking something is to spec before shipping it a few thousand kilometres.

Bass Reeves · 09-04-2020 10:53pm

smurgen wrote: »

Like checking something is to spec before shipping it a few thousand kilometres.

What are you on about

efanton · 09-04-2020 10:53pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes there always has to be someone to blame

If I spend all my money on drink and latte it's some one fault that I cannot save for a house

If I trip and fall after a night out there must be someone I can claim off

If I get pregnant at 18 it obvious that it someone fault that I cannot get a house

If I cannot pay my loan it obvious that it the banks fault.

This is only the second payment week for most get a f@@k jar and put the money into it it as simple as that.

And as I posted for most on the 350 payment there is no liability for those in the higher rates they should be able to sort it out.

Too many want a nanny state

What are you ranting about?
You do realise that you are criticising thousands of ordinary workers, who being PAYE all their lives would not have a clue about taxation.
Many of them would be supporters of the current government, not that that should make a difference.

If I give you money and there are conditions attached would you not agree that it is my duty to make those conditions clear before you take that money.

All the government had to do was make it clear that these sums were taxable when they announced the scheme. People have to budget their money, now more than ever in this crisis, to do that they have to know what to budget for.
Somehow, according to you, no matter what happens its someone else's fault never the government. FG appear to be faultless and infallible.

No doubt you will make yet more excuses, so fire away.

Bass Reeves · 09-04-2020 11:23pm

efanton wrote: »

What are you ranting about?
You do realise that you are criticising thousands of ordinary workers, who being PAYE all their lives would not have a clue about taxation.
Many of them would be supporters of the current government, not that that should make a difference.

If I give you money and there are conditions attached would you not agree that it is my duty to make those conditions clear before you take that money.

All the government had to do was make it clear that these sums were taxable when they announced the scheme. People have to budget their money, now more than ever in this crisis, to do that they have to know what to budget for.
Somehow, according to you, no matter what happens its someone else's fault never the government. FG appear to be faultless and infallible.

No doubt you will make yet more excuses, so fire away.

It has been known for at least a week now that the COVID payments were taxable. Most people on the COVID payment are on there second payment last Tuesday. The priority of the government was to get money into workers who lost there jobs because of restrictions.

It was impossible for the government to tax the money, the important thing was to get money to people so they could try to manage there affairs. For the vast majority there will be no tax liability a minority will have a mininal tax liability.

The only workers who may have a liability are those in employment who's wages are being part funded by COVID payments. Ideally they should be going through the PAYE system but there was a mistake made there. However it is not a Chicken Licken the sky is falling in story.

It is not rocket science for workers to budget for this over the next few weeks. I imagine any claw back will be taken over 6-9 months not in one lump.

Yurt2 · 09-04-2020 11:53pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

listen, the taps have to be kept on for the likes of margaret cash and the obscene 20+ billion euro a year welfare figure BEFORE this crisis, with allegedly "full employment" HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

C'mon horsebox, the biggest component of of that 20bn figure is pensions (which I'm presuming you'd like one day), disability (you might need this when you give yourself a brain haemorrhage raging about Margret Cash), children's allowance.

In 2017, only 18 percent of that was working age income supports (i.e dole).

If you're going to make an argument, make it honestly.

tobsey · 10-04-2020 12:47am

efanton wrote: »

What are you ranting about?
You do realise that you are criticising thousands of ordinary workers, who being PAYE all their lives would not have a clue about taxation.
Many of them would be supporters of the current government, not that that should make a difference.

If I give you money and there are conditions attached would you not agree that it is my duty to make those conditions clear before you take that money.

All the government had to do was make it clear that these sums were taxable when they announced the scheme. People have to budget their money, now more than ever in this crisis, to do that they have to know what to budget for.
Somehow, according to you, no matter what happens its someone else's fault never the government. FG appear to be faultless and infallible.

No doubt you will make yet more excuses, so fire away.

You thought there was Vat on rent a few days ago. Your knowledge of the tax system is not a barometer for everyone else.

People who usually earn a high income will pay some tax on these payments, people who earn a low income will pay little or nothing. It all seems fair to me.

satguy · 10-04-2020 12:56am

Before this coronavirus crisis, we had 4% unemployment (dole).

A big part of that 4% are unhirable, you see them standing outside Pubs and Bookies, or at the wheel of a very nice van towing a caravan. This will never change and might account for 2.5% of the total above. The other 1.5% will flip flop in and out of employment most of their working lifes.

This is not a big part of our SW budget, and for every Margret Cash, there is a working mum who might still need some SW benefit to make ends meet.

Up this virus thing, FG had enough cash coming in to build some homes, or to open some closed hospital wards, but did not, and they did try to hide behind the "we spending too much on SW excuse."

FG will do what they do best, and that is to look after the secect few, and this will never change.

What age was Enda when he got his pension ?
What age will you be ?

markodaly · 10-04-2020 6:31am

smurgen wrote: »

Harris seems to be ignoring nursing homes big time. Especially with so many clusters now reported in them. Wonder why he couldn't return the calls or mails from Tadhg Daly?

https://twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1247974624362745859?s=19

We all know Simon Harris has a batphone next to him at all times, for important calls like this. :rolleyes:

markodaly · 10-04-2020 6:32am

blanch152 wrote: »

Did people really think that they would be getting their wages tax-free just because the government were paying them?

Seriously?

Free money being subject to tax?
"How dare they tax my free money! I worked hard for it!"

Yeap, lots of idiots around.

markodaly · 10-04-2020 6:36am

efanton wrote: »

What are you ranting about?
You do realise that you are criticising thousands of ordinary workers, who being PAYE all their lives would not have a clue about taxation.

I ROFL!

:D

Yes, there are idiots out there, (as we can see from this very thread) but most people who work should know and do know about taxation.

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 6:47am

efanton wrote: »

What are you ranting about?
You do realise that you are criticising thousands of ordinary workers, who being PAYE all their lives would not have a clue about taxation.
Many of them would be supporters of the current government, not that that should make a difference.

If I give you money and there are conditions attached would you not agree that it is my duty to make those conditions clear before you take that money.

All the government had to do was make it clear that these sums were taxable when they announced the scheme. People have to budget their money, now more than ever in this crisis, to do that they have to know what to budget for.
Somehow, according to you, no matter what happens its someone else's fault never the government. FG appear to be faultless and infallible.

No doubt you will make yet more excuses, so fire away.

Why waste a nice PR opportunity? FG can't resist this kind of manipulation in it's current form and under it's present leadership.
And it will undo a lot of the gains they have made.
I see people who took them at face value are being arrogantly (as usual) called 'idiots' again. Another few minus points.
They will be fighting a rearguard action even before this phase of the crisis is over and we move on to the politically hard bit - the recovery.

markodaly · 10-04-2020 8:53am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They will be fighting a rearguard action even before this phase of the crisis is over and we move on to the politically hard bit - the recovery.

Yes, and we will have people like you, here every step of the way telling us all on what they are doing wrong, not what they should be doing instead.

I think deep down you think you are doing some service, like the Nights Watch from, Game of Thrones.
When will your watch end Francie! :pac:

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 8:57am

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, and we will have people like you,

Plenty of people like me Mark...approx 80% of the electorate at the last election if memory serves me correctly.

markodaly · 10-04-2020 9:08am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Plenty of people like me Mark...approx 80% of the electorate at the last election if memory serves me correctly.

They are online every day, talking down the government with dozens of daily posts?

Nope, there are not many like you, in fact I think there is one you, as your post count can attest to.

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 9:26am

markodaly wrote: »

They are online every day, talking down the government with dozens of daily posts?

Nope, there are not many like you, in fact I think there is one you, as your post count can attest to.

:D you need to get me out of your head Mark...seriously and evict those shinners too. It's getting a tad weird.

Yurt2 · 10-04-2020 9:37am

markodaly wrote: »

They are online every day, talking down the government with dozens of daily posts?

Nope, there are not many like you, in fact I think there is one you, as your post count can attest to.

The people have broadly temporarily set-aside their disdain for what was and is a pretty unpopular government. As I mentioned in another thread, the cabinet did the old "break glass in emergency for green jersey" routine. Don't confuse that with the people actually thinking that FG are now competent to solve the issues that led to the electoral thrashing.

Suckit · 10-04-2020 11:45am

markodaly wrote: »

I ROFL! :D

Yes, there are idiots out there, (as we can see from this very thread) but most people who work should know and do know about taxation.

Most people played with toys like this when they were toddlers,
you would expect it would help most gain knowledge about sizes, shapes and dimensions.

smurgen · 10-04-2020 12:50pm

Christ FG being very FG as usual. Look after the lads and distance yourself from responsibility.

https://twitter.com/paulodonoghue93/status/1248575996531486726?s=19

satguy · 10-04-2020 12:56pm

smurgen wrote: »

Christ FG being very FG as usual. Look after the lads and distance yourself from responsibility.

https://twitter.com/paulodonoghue93/status/1248575996531486726?s=19

This is one for Dinny,, big time.

Whelo79 · 10-04-2020 1:57pm

Why is Dublin Port still open to holiday makers? This is scandalous.

https://extra.ie/2020/04/10/news/irish-news/ferry-passengers-lockdown-ireland

Idbatterim · 10-04-2020 2:00pm

Whelo79 wrote: »

Why is Dublin Port still open to holiday makers? This is scandalous.

https://extra.ie/2020/04/10/news/irish-news/ferry-passengers-lockdown-ireland

shut down businesses, but allow this! LOL!

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 2:01pm

Whelo79 wrote: »

Why is Dublin Port still open to holiday makers? This is scandalous.

https://extra.ie/2020/04/10/news/irish-news/ferry-passengers-lockdown-ireland

I see the French turned back a private jet out of the UK full of holiday makers...why can't the government get their act together on this? So easy to do. Another lapse.

RandomViewer · 10-04-2020 2:05pm

satguy wrote: »

This is one for Dinny,, big time.

If anyone needed to cocoon it's Dinny, obese , probably diabetic,borderline alcoholic, accesscto industrial quantites of Columbian marching powder, too many sexual partners from third world countries, he probably should be a one man quarantine zone at all times

markodaly · 10-04-2020 2:15pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I see the French turned back a private jet out of the UK full of holiday makers...why can't the government get their act together on this? So easy to do. Another lapse.

Maybe because its not true .... ??

https://twitter.com/fergalrte/status/1248275464336093185

Whelo79 · 10-04-2020 2:59pm

markodaly wrote: »

Maybe because its not true .... ??

https://twitter.com/fergalrte/status/1248275464336093185

So Fergal had the time to drive to Dublin Port and Rosslare, count all the disembarking vehicles and question them? Good on him

There are plenty of reports to contradict him! And if it was quite on Tuesday or Wednesday it doesn't mean it was quite yesterday or today!

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 4:39pm

markodaly wrote: »

Maybe because its not true .... ??

https://twitter.com/fergalrte/status/1248275464336093185

Why would you believe one journalist over another?

Genuine question.

Mortelaro · 10-04-2020 4:45pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I see the French turned back a private jet out of the UK full of holiday makers...why can't the government get their act together on this? So easy to do. Another lapse.

According to today's press conference, the flights coming in from the UK are minuscule numbers and are returning Irish
Ditto at the ferries
The rest is cargo
So definitely not another lapse,Just an under informed opinion

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 4:49pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

According to today's press conference, the flights coming in from the UK are minuscule numbers and are returning Irish
Ditto at the ferries
The rest is cargo
So definitely not another lapse,Just an under informed opinion

Returning with caravans and cars with roofboxes etc?

I thought people were told emphatically to stay put wherever they are? How was it the Garda Commissioner put it...wherever you are now, that is your home.

Jizique · 10-04-2020 4:50pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I see the French turned back a private jet out of the UK full of holiday makers...why can't the government get their act together on this? So easy to do. Another lapse.

That particular jet sounded a bit dodgy - I was surprised they weren’t lifted for sex trafficking or soliciting hookers based on the reports

Mortelaro · 10-04-2020 4:55pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Returning with caravans and cars with roofboxes etc?

I thought people were told emphatically to stay put wherever they are? How was it the Garda Commissioner put it...wherever you are now, that is your home.

Well I'd assume returning Irish from Australia could bring their cars too if it wasnt too expensive
The camper Van's could have been travelers,I saw one in that photo
If you had a car in the UK and decided to return home ,wouldn't you want to bring your UK reg car?
Be cheaper than buying one here anyway

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would you believe one journalist over another?

Genuine question.

Of course like you,I cannot confirm any of this,but do note that the RTÉ reporter actually spoke to the drivers,whereas extra.ie didn't report that they did,which must mean they didn't

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 5:06pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

Well I'd assume returning Irish from Australia could bring their cars too if it wasnt too expensive
The camper Van's could have been travelers,I saw one in that photo
If you had a car in the UK and decided to return home ,wouldn't you want to bring your UK reg car?
Be cheaper than buying one here anyway

Of course like you,I cannot confirm any of this,but do note that the RTÉ reporter actually spoke to the drivers,whereas extra.ie didn't report that they did,which must mean they didn't

He's been at every ferry talking to all drivers?

Seems like a lot of people are still on the move to me.

We'll no doubt hear more as the weekend goes on.

Mortelaro · 10-04-2020 5:16pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He's been at every ferry talking to all drivers?

That's ridiculous
He spoke to a representative sample and by the looks of things did more research than extra.ie

Seems like a lot of people are still on the move to me.

We'll no doubt hear more as the weekend goes on.

The Taoiseach at the press conference said that they looked into the numbers
Minuscule
They would have access to the Garda immigration bureau stats
Extra.ie,I should imagine have not

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 5:56pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

That's ridiculous
He spoke to a representative sample and by the looks of things did more research than extra.ie

How many drivers do you need to talk to to have a 'representative' sample? Might people coming in for a holiday they know is verbotten maybe tell Fergal a fib or two?

The Taoiseach at the press conference said that they looked into the numbers
Minuscule
They would have access to the Garda immigration bureau stats
Extra.ie,I should imagine have not

What figures did Leo quote?

Mortelaro · 10-04-2020 5:58pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How many drivers do you need to talk to to have a 'representative' sample? Might people coming in for a holiday they know is verbotten maybe tell Fergal a fib or two?

What figures did Leo quote?

As you know,he didn't quote any figures, just that it was mostly freight and Returned Irish

Passports are scanned at airports

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 6:06pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

As you know,he didn't quote any figures, just that it was mostly freight and Returned Irish

Passports are scanned at airports

So nobody has quoted any actual figures. Excellent.

smurgen · 10-04-2020 6:24pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So nobody has quoted any actual figures. Excellent.

And they made a balls of the testing figures too.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1248673434579677190?s=19

Mortelaro · 10-04-2020 6:30pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So nobody has quoted any actual figures. Excellent.

Why should they? Are you going to as a Republican refuse Irish citizens the ability to come home?

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 6:36pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

Why should they? Are you going to as a Republican refuse Irish citizens the ability to come home?

As a republican I am staying put for the duration in the interests of everybody.

'Why should they quote the figures'? What kind of a question is that? A government obsessed with image and spin should not quote the figures.

Mortelaro · 10-04-2020 6:36pm

smurgen wrote: »

And they made a balls of the testing figures too.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1248673434579677190?s=19

How is that a balls? Or indeed why is testing an issue, are the department hoarding testing kits and not testing?
No in a world wide pandemic, there are teething issues

Typical vacuous smurgen moan again, containing no useful information, just dour negative comment

Jinglejangle69 · 10-04-2020 6:38pm

I see the usual comrades are back in force even though some of them ran away from how they were jumping into bed with FF to score a political point only yesterday.

Their back here now totally sidestepping how they were caught out again.

How much are you 3 lads earning for working on good Friday??

Mortelaro · 10-04-2020 6:38pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As a republican I am staying put for the duration in the interests of everybody.

'Why should they quote the figures'? What kind of a question is that? A government obsessed with image and spin should not quote the figures.

So you would deny citizens (who self isolate) the right to come home in their hour of need
Fantastic Republicanism that

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 6:39pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I see the usual comrades are back in force even though some of them ran away from how they were jumping into bed with FF to score a political point only yesterday.

Their back here now totally sidestepping how they were caught out again.

How much are you 3 lads earning for working on good Friday??

Ah you're back Jinglejangle!

Mortelaro · 10-04-2020 6:40pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

How much are you 3 lads earning for working on good Friday??

Jinglejangle69 · 10-04-2020 6:40pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ah you're back Jinglejangle!

I leave Francie unlike you who never leaves.

I have other commitments and things in life.

Not boards.ie all day long.

I'm self employed.

Not employed to post on boards all day long for SF.

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 6:52pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I leave Francie unlike you who never leaves.

I have other commitments and things in life.

Not boards.ie all day long.

I'm self employed.

Not employed to post on boards all day long for SF.

But here you are like clockwork.

FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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