FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

efanton

piplip87 wrote: »

No it's actually bang on to call out those wasters who have been on Jobseekers for 5, 10 even 15 years. It's absolutely bang in to call these people on their utter disregard for the working person in this country. These lads live him social housing while those who contribute and pay tax are shafted left, right and centre just so these lads can keep living it up...... Speaking about getting shafted left, right and centre there's also you g ones who get fixed at 17 and get all handed out to them and a forever home ... Again paid for by those struggling to pay their own bills.

There's also plenty of people who do go to A&E with absolutely no need to see a GP never mind a trip to the hospital. People are presenting to A&E with fecking headcolds and tummy bugs. It's fairly obvious it's the same people who are clogging up testing for COVID 19.

It all boils down to a sense of entitlement certain sections of society have. They want all the rights of living here but none of the responsibility. Yet all they do is give out and moan about the Gubberment, even thought the Gubberment is providing them with housing, (more than likely in arrears), Dole, Household benefits packages, back to school, free health care and in some cases plenty of free legal aid.

Do you think it's fair that somebody who left school at 16, Hit by a Mickey at 17 and again at 19,21,25 and 27 is deserving of TaxPayers money to bring up her childer while the rest of us hard working tax payers dread the next round of bills ?

I fail to see what the problem is. The parties that represent people who have a severe dislike for anything to do with social welfare have had 10 years and more to address these issues. They could have introduced systems like they have in Europe where benefits reduce over time. They could have implemented policies where the long term unemployed were given the choice of working for the county councils or other bodies in order to continue drawing benefit or face a dramatic reduction in the payments they get.
You cant blame SF for any of this when its the lack of action by successive FF and FG governments that have allowed generations of families to live entirely of the state.

With regards to arrears in social housing, there are rules there that were never enforced. Most people on welfare and living in social housing have that payment deducted automatically before they even draw their benefit from the post office. I think you will find that the vast majority of those in arrears with social housing payment are working.

Idbatterim

FG bottled it the last time round and with an open goal most likely, they will bottle it this time around. I believe of the unemployed, only the long term unemployed get the Xmas bonus? is that true?!

Free gp visits are a farce. As good as free housing a farce, many with the free travel pass. It must be a real stress now, deciding in social housing, if you should get a takeaway when they re-open or spend nearly the same amount a week on a medium dominoes pizza... No LPT, christ knows what allowances they get!

This winds me up, because working poor people in FCUKED positions, are paying for this farce! All of this madness, was ramped up at the boom primari;ly, total lunacy and then good luck trying to reverse any of it!

Give them an extra fiver at budge time "its an insult", try take that fiver back the next year! LOL!

If FG had been more interested in looking after the vulnerable , rather than RTE version of it, I am talking the actualy vulnerable here, low pay, mad rents, **** commute, you know the rest. Not the medical card, guaranteed income every week, free rent with the free money brigade.

You would swear this country, was some oil rich state or something, but no... Rob from the working poor, to give to the idle. The social housing thing is some obscene sweetheart deal!

Suckit

That is an amazing insight you have,

piplip87 wrote: »

No it's actually bang on to call out those wasters who have been on Jobseekers for 5, 10 even 15 years. It's absolutely bang in to call these people on their utter disregard for the working person in this country. These lads live him social housing while those who contribute and pay tax are shafted left, right and centre just so these lads can keep living it up...... Speaking about getting shafted left, right and centre there's also you g ones who get fixed at 17 and get all handed out to them and a forever home ... Again paid for by those struggling to pay their own bills.

Yep, that is what they are doing, living the high life. Are you jealous?
I would genuinely think the tax dodgers with the massive state contracts milk the state for more money.

piplip87 wrote: »

There's also plenty of people who do go to A&E with absolutely no need to see a GP never mind a trip to the hospital. People are presenting to A&E with fecking headcolds and tummy bugs. It's fairly obvious it's the same people who are clogging up testing for COVID 19.

:rolleyes: Hmmmm....
Okay, it is obvious there are some people clogging up every system.
I know some people chose (one very much against the advice from her doctor) to go home and to take their chances there, over the wave that was coming and could likely kill them. Given the same options, what would you choose?
The people I know were told that they wouldn't be able to get the same treatment as they were expecting a big epidemic at the time. One of those people died at the beginning of March. Another has a health care worker (overworked) coming to her house as much as possible, and her husband also trying to help. Her children can't come near the house. Etc.

piplip87 wrote: »

It all boils down to a sense of entitlement certain sections of society have. They want all the rights of living here but none of the responsibility. Yet all they do is give out and moan about the Gubberment, even thought the Gubberment is providing them with housing, (more than likely in arrears), Dole, Household benefits packages, back to school, free health care and in some cases plenty of free legal aid.

EXACTLY! But not the same people you think. Look at the lad overstaying his tax days.. Closer to his 'better' private hospital, than where he claims to live to avoid tax. And his pets were able to quickly draw up something that allowed him to stay here longer to avoid paying any tax.

piplip87 wrote: »

Do you think it's fair that somebody who left school at 16, Hit by a Mickey at 17 and again at 19,21,25 and 27 is deserving of TaxPayers money to bring up her childer while the rest of us hard working tax payers dread the next round of bills ?

Do you think it's fair that being related to somebody gets you the fasttrack into a job you are not as qualified for as another that has wanted it and worked hard for it?
Do you think it's fair that contracts are bought and not won?



Etc.

Yurt2

piplip87 wrote: »

No it's actually bang on to call out those wasters who have been on Jobseekers for 5, 10 even 15 years. It's absolutely bang in to call these people on their utter disregard for the working person in this country. These lads live him social housing while those who contribute and pay tax are shafted left, right and centre just so these lads can keep living it up...... Speaking about getting shafted left, right and centre there's also you g ones who get fixed at 17 and get all handed out to them and a forever home ... Again paid for by those struggling to pay their own bills.

There's also plenty of people who do go to A&E with absolutely no need to see a GP never mind a trip to the hospital. People are presenting to A&E with fecking headcolds and tummy bugs. It's fairly obvious it's the same people who are clogging up testing for COVID 19.

It all boils down to a sense of entitlement certain sections of society have. They want all the rights of living here but none of the responsibility. Yet all they do is give out and moan about the Gubberment, even thought the Gubberment is providing them with housing, (more than likely in arrears), Dole, Household benefits packages, back to school, free health care and in some cases plenty of free legal aid.

Do you think it's fair that somebody who left school at 16, Hit by a Mickey at 17 and again at 19,21,25 and 27 is deserving of TaxPayers money to bring up her childer while the rest of us hard working tax payers dread the next round of bills ?

Double yawn

Kermit.de.frog

This certainly makes a change from "must be bad - the drunken paddies had to close the pubs"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kshgmnkCJE

McMurphy

piplip87 wrote: »

No it's actually bang on to call out those wasters who have been on Jobseekers for 5, 10 even 15 years. It's absolutely bang in to call these people on their utter disregard for the working person in this country. These lads live him social housing while those who contribute and pay tax are shafted left, right and centre just so these lads can keep living it up...... Speaking about getting shafted left, right and centre there's also you g ones who get fixed at 17 and get all handed out to them and a forever home ... Again paid for by those struggling to pay their own bills.

There's also plenty of people who do go to A&E with absolutely no need to see a GP never mind a trip to the hospital. People are presenting to A&E with fecking headcolds and tummy bugs. It's fairly obvious it's the same people who are clogging up testing for COVID 19.

It all boils down to a sense of entitlement certain sections of society have. They want all the rights of living here but none of the responsibility. Yet all they do is give out and moan about the Gubberment, even thought the Gubberment is providing them with housing, (more than likely in arrears), Dole, Household benefits packages, back to school, free health care and in some cases plenty of free legal aid.

Do you think it's fair that somebody who left school at 16, Hit by a Mickey at 17 and again at 19,21,25 and 27 is deserving of TaxPayers money to bring up her childer while the rest of us hard working tax payers dread the next round of bills ?

Yet you are on here with others cheerleading "the gubberment" - which up until 2020 has some make up of either FF or FG as the dominant party in a coalition, FG being that dominant party for the last 9 years, and looks like it may be FF and FG as equal party's in an actual coalition next time out.

So, in essence the poster I quoted, and as you seem to echo his or her sentiments, spend an awful lot of your time berating these people that avail of the welfare state at the expense of others via policies and tax measures introduced by the same political parties you cheerlead?

You don't make much sense, but carry-on regardless.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Wouldn’t be surprised, he has always had a disregard for the well-being and safety of ordinary people. Like Mary-Lou, he is undoubtedly looking after number one rather than thinking of the rest of the country.

Ah poor Mary Lou, she has fallen victim to blanch's belief that shinners should react differently if they are displaying symptoms of Covid-19.
They shouldn't be 'idiot' enough to go for testing, but if it is blanch's relation they are right somehow to go for testing on suspicion of having symptoms.

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

Eh, yes. Have a relation who was furloughed in the UK only yesterday, and family are trying to get her home now.

Shows how much you know.

I'm sorry I didn't know about your cousin's overstating staying in the UK weeks into a pandemic.

piplip87

McMurphy wrote: »

Yet you are on here with others cheerleading "the gubberment" - which up until 2020 has some make up of either FF or FG as the dominant party in a coalition, FG being that dominant party for the last 9 years, and looks like it may be FF and FG as equal party's in an actual coalition next time out.

So, in essence the poster I quoted, and as you seem to echo his or her sentiments, spend an awful lot of your time berating these people that avail of the welfare state at the expense of others via policies and tax measures introduced by the same political parties you cheerlead?

You don't make much sense, but carry-on regardless.

Just like the people who I mentioned in my post though. They don't make much sense either TBH. They should be Leo's biggest cheerleaders. They go through Booms and Recessions unharmed at all. Yet they are all over social media claiming "We Voted for change". I'll tell you this if a political party had the courage to take them on they would do quite well.

Unfortunately it's FF and FG who will pander to them again but not as much as SF. SF wanting to raise Jobseekers to 250 weekly ?

Certainly raise it to that for the first 12 months. I have used welfare between jobs and when I lost a job during the recession I availed of the retraining available. The last few governments put excellent retraining opportunities in place, free of charge, yet people still chose not to work but to winge about how hard done by they are.

Yet it will always be those in the middle asked to pay for everything.

Idbatterim

FG through a kind of mad set of circumstances, may have a shot now at redemption for some. Basically, stop pandering to those that either never vote or would cetainly never vote FG and help out the "vulnerable" paying for this bloody circus. Can you imagine the tories in the uk, supporting the likes of margaret cash and her ilk, over workers? :rolleyes:

efanton

Last week there were rumblings in the FF camp suggesting a FF/FG coalition was unworkable and would not get the support required
This week it appears there are rumblings in the FG camp.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/some-fine-gael-ministers-believe-second-election-now-on-the-cards-993050.html

Looks like we are on our way to a Unity government.

blanch152

smurgen wrote: »

I'm sorry I didn't know about your cousin's overstating staying in the UK weeks into a pandemic.

Had an employer that stayed open until now, couldn't just abandon a job and come home.

efanton

Also looks like FG have just scored a spectacular own goal

What ever hope they had of coming out of this crisis smelling of roses and winning additional seats in the Dail when the inevitiable re-election takes place has just probably gone up in smoke

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/workers-on-wage-subsidy-scheme-will-have-to-pay-tax-back-on-it-993162.html

Hundreds of thousands of workers being paid through the Wage Subsidy Scheme will face tax bills at the end of the year.

The scheme enables employers impacted by Covid-19 to continue paying staff.

More than 40,000 employers are availing of the Wage Subsidy Scheme which refunds them 70% of their employees' wage up to €410 per week.

The money paid to employees in this way is subject to tax, but it is not being taxed right now.

blanch152

efanton wrote: »

Also looks like FG have just scored a spectacular own goal

What ever hope they had of coming out of this crisis smelling of roses and winning additional seats in the Dail when the inevitiable re-election takes place has just probably gone up in smoke

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/workers-on-wage-subsidy-scheme-will-have-to-pay-tax-back-on-it-993162.html

Did people really think that they would be getting their wages tax-free just because the government were paying them?

Seriously?

Idbatterim

efanton wrote: »

Also looks like FG have just scored a spectacular own goal

What ever hope they had of coming out of this crisis smelling of roses and winning additional seats in the Dail when the inevitiable re-election takes place has just probably gone up in smoke

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/workers-on-wage-subsidy-scheme-will-have-to-pay-tax-back-on-it-993162.html

listen, the taps have to be kept on for the likes of margaret cash and the obscene 20+ billion euro a year welfare figure BEFORE this crisis, with allegedly "full employment" HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

efanton

Idbatterim wrote: »

listen, the taps have to be kept on for the likes of margaret cash and the obscene 20+ billion euro a year welfare figure BEFORE this crisis, with allegedly "full employment" HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

What are you talking about. This has nothing to do with Margaret Cash or social welfare.
This affects workers only.

Did you not read the article?

Hundreds of thousands of workers being paid through the Wage Subsidy Scheme will face tax bills at the end of the year.

No mention of this when they announced the scheme.

Suckit

efanton wrote: »

Also looks like FG have just scored a spectacular own goal

What ever hope they had of coming out of this crisis smelling of roses and winning additional seats in the Dail when the inevitiable re-election takes place has just probably gone up in smoke

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/workers-on-wage-subsidy-scheme-will-have-to-pay-tax-back-on-it-993162.html

Wow.

On the back of this

https://www.thejournal.ie/tax-exiles-revenue-relaxation-catherine-murphy-5067420-Apr2020/

smurgen

Harris seems to be ignoring nursing homes big time. Especially with so many clusters now reported in them. Wonder why he couldn't return the calls or mails from Tadhg Daly?

https://twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1247974624362745859?s=19

Mortelaro

efanton wrote: »

Last week there were rumblings in the FF camp suggesting a FF/FG coalition was unworkable and would not get the support required
This week it appears there are rumblings in the FG camp.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/some-fine-gael-ministers-believe-second-election-now-on-the-cards-993050.html

Looks like we are on our way to a Unity government.

So they are getting an interest free loan on their tax liability
Happy days

PommieBast

Mortelaro wrote: »

So they are getting an interest free loan on their tax liability

Over in HK income taxes are paid annually rather than via PAYE, so it would be a de-facto trial of that system over here. I'll grab the popcorn ready for the reaction from people when they realise how much tax they actually pay...

Idbatterim

PommieBast wrote: »

Over in HK income taxes are paid annually rather than via PAYE, so it would be a de-facto trial of that system over here. I'll grab the popcorn ready for the reaction from people when they realise how much tax they actually pay...

huge amounts pay as good as nothing, you are right, others if they dont already know it though, are probably in for a shock! the real shock will be how much they pay in, the mid to high income earners, for the **** they get in return!

Bass Reeves

efanton wrote: »

Also looks like FG have just scored a spectacular own goal

What ever hope they had of coming out of this crisis smelling of roses and winning additional seats in the Dail when the inevitiable re-election takes place has just probably gone up in smoke

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/workers-on-wage-subsidy-scheme-will-have-to-pay-tax-back-on-it-993162.html

Show you of how ignorant of the tax system some people are. For 95% of people this will create no tax liability. First 16ishK/year you earn is tax free(about310 euro/week). Couple who have credits split may get caught but you also have to factor in if you are earning even a bit more (minimum wage is 21k/year) the you have paid already will offset the liability. For those earning 10k+ more they will see a few weeks wages tax free when they go back.

Really amazed at how stupid some people are.

efanton

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Show you of how ignorant of the tax system some people are. For 95% of people this will create no tax liability. First 16ishK/year you earn is tax free(about310 euro/week). Couple who have credits split may get caught but you also have to factor in if you are earning even a bit more (minimum wage is 21k/year) the you have paid already will offset the liability. For those earning 10k+ more they will see a few weeks wages tax free when they go back.

Really amazed at how stupid some people are.

Surely the government had a responsibility to have made it clear that this money was taxable when announcing the scheme.

Many receiving their pay slip from their employers will have assumed that they were paying tax, without this being pointed out.

Yes, there's an awful lot of people they do not check they payslips, I wouldnt call that ignorant if they have never before had to calculate their tax return at the end of the year.

Bass Reeves

efanton wrote: »

Surely the government had a responsibility to have made it clear that this money was taxable when announcing the scheme.

Many receiving their pay slip from their employers will have assumed that they were paying tax, without this being pointed out.

Yes, there's an awful lot of people they do not check they payslips, I wouldnt call that ignorant if they have never before had to calculate their tax return at the end of the year.

Yes there always has to be someone to blame

If I spend all my money on drink and latte it's some one fault that I cannot save for a house

If I trip and fall after a night out there must be someone I can claim off

If I get pregnant at 18 it obvious that it someone fault that I cannot get a house

If I cannot pay my loan it obvious that it the banks fault.



This is only the second payment week for most get a f@@k jar and put the money into it it as simple as that.

And as I posted for most on the 350 payment there is no liability for those in the higher rates they should be able to sort it out.


Too many want a nanny state

Jinglejangle69

efanton wrote: »

Surely the government had a responsibility to have made it clear that this money was taxable when announcing the scheme.

Many receiving their pay slip from their employers will have assumed that they were paying tax, without this being pointed out.

Yes, there's an awful lot of people they do not check they payslips, I wouldnt call that ignorant if they have never before had to calculate their tax return at the end of the year.

Do they need to be breast fed while the holding their hand aswell?

Common sense.

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Do they need to be breast fed while the holding their hand aswell?

Common sense.

Like checking something is to spec before shipping it a few thousand kilometres.

Bass Reeves

smurgen wrote: »

Like checking something is to spec before shipping it a few thousand kilometres.

What are you on about

efanton

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes there always has to be someone to blame

If I spend all my money on drink and latte it's some one fault that I cannot save for a house

If I trip and fall after a night out there must be someone I can claim off

If I get pregnant at 18 it obvious that it someone fault that I cannot get a house

If I cannot pay my loan it obvious that it the banks fault.



This is only the second payment week for most get a f@@k jar and put the money into it it as simple as that.

And as I posted for most on the 350 payment there is no liability for those in the higher rates they should be able to sort it out.


Too many want a nanny state

What are you ranting about?
You do realise that you are criticising thousands of ordinary workers, who being PAYE all their lives would not have a clue about taxation.
Many of them would be supporters of the current government, not that that should make a difference.

If I give you money and there are conditions attached would you not agree that it is my duty to make those conditions clear before you take that money.

All the government had to do was make it clear that these sums were taxable when they announced the scheme. People have to budget their money, now more than ever in this crisis, to do that they have to know what to budget for.
Somehow, according to you, no matter what happens its someone else's fault never the government. FG appear to be faultless and infallible.

No doubt you will make yet more excuses, so fire away.

Bass Reeves

efanton wrote: »

What are you ranting about?
You do realise that you are criticising thousands of ordinary workers, who being PAYE all their lives would not have a clue about taxation.
Many of them would be supporters of the current government, not that that should make a difference.

If I give you money and there are conditions attached would you not agree that it is my duty to make those conditions clear before you take that money.

All the government had to do was make it clear that these sums were taxable when they announced the scheme. People have to budget their money, now more than ever in this crisis, to do that they have to know what to budget for.
Somehow, according to you, no matter what happens its someone else's fault never the government. FG appear to be faultless and infallible.

No doubt you will make yet more excuses, so fire away.

It has been known for at least a week now that the COVID payments were taxable. Most people on the COVID payment are on there second payment last Tuesday. The priority of the government was to get money into workers who lost there jobs because of restrictions.

It was impossible for the government to tax the money, the important thing was to get money to people so they could try to manage there affairs. For the vast majority there will be no tax liability a minority will have a mininal tax liability.

The only workers who may have a liability are those in employment who's wages are being part funded by COVID payments. Ideally they should be going through the PAYE system but there was a mistake made there. However it is not a Chicken Licken the sky is falling in story.

It is not rocket science for workers to budget for this over the next few weeks. I imagine any claw back will be taken over 6-9 months not in one lump.

Yurt2

Idbatterim wrote: »

listen, the taps have to be kept on for the likes of margaret cash and the obscene 20+ billion euro a year welfare figure BEFORE this crisis, with allegedly "full employment" HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

C'mon horsebox, the biggest component of of that 20bn figure is pensions (which I'm presuming you'd like one day), disability (you might need this when you give yourself a brain haemorrhage raging about Margret Cash), children's allowance.

In 2017, only 18 percent of that was working age income supports (i.e dole).

If you're going to make an argument, make it honestly.