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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    Heard there is a confirmed case in Naas hospital this morning .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Only 24 cases here, so far ....

    That we know of.

    Italy was at that stage a mere 3 weeks ago. No time for complacence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    As an Italian, I can tell you that all employees can sign an autocertification where they say that they are travelling from home to work and back.
    All that are eligible for smart working/home working can ask their employers for it. Where I work most of colleagues are home as from today. There are those who can't do their job from home, like me.

    It's ridicolous that it is possible to move for going to work, but can't move for anything else, as if the virus could tell the difference.

    All gyms, schools, cinemas, theatres are closed.
    Hotels are going to close because they got nearly 100% of booking cancellations for nearly the whole year.
    Bar and restaurants should stay closed, not really sure about this.

    Buses and trains can travel, and this is ridicolous as well.

    All transfers outside one's town or city has to be motivated with an absolutely nececessary reason.

    Otherwise the advice is to stay home.
    Because we're Italians, these rules will be hardly observed, I fear... Despite the threat of 3 months jail for those who break the rules.

    Our government has been shy, they are applying the rules they should have applied two or three weeks ago, when they thought that locking down 12 towns would have been enough.

    That's a quick overview of our situation here.

    What about grocery shopping ?
    Are local supermarkets still open and allowed to enter ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭cnbyz


    bekker wrote: »
    The other potential time bomb is Turkey, 0 cases despite being surrounded by countries reporting cases including Iran. They are flat out lying and now trying to force thousands into EU through Greek border.
    I dont think they are lying .Doctors or patients would have leaked it. They took really strict isolation measures early on that most others didnt bother to. They closed the border with Iran and stopped all flights to and from China and Italy. (Italy is especially a very busy route for Turkey) I remember reading about one incident where they diverted an inbound flight from Iran and isolated every single passenger because flight crew reported sick people on board. Minister of Health in Turkey doesnt shy away from the fact that there might be people carrying the virus in Turkey and new cases might appear . They are trying to prevent that from happening as long as they can into the summer. The minister of health asked people who return from abroad to go to the nearest health clinic and get a medical certificate for 14 days. All they need is to present their passports. Sorry but thats strict.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    This is pure scaremongering nonsense. A national paper should not be publishing this on its home page, people will read that and become extremely upset. In Ireland a decision has been made to not go down the lockdown route, otherwise (without extreme incompetence) we would already be doing it. Therefore, life will be going on as normal as possible.

    Funerals being discussed on RTE radio right now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Midnight Sundance


    What exactly are the general symptoms of Corona? Hubby sent home cos he has a sore throat n runny nose. I've checked his temp, it's normal. We haven't travelled anywhere foreign or more than 10 miles from home. No confirmed cases in our part of country..yet.. but who's to say that half the country have it now n dont know about it?
    I've heard symptoms can be mild. Chances r hes a little head cold he caught from our son but of course now my mind is going Into overdrive.
    I'm pregnant n starting to worry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    South Korea - 35 cases today. Going the right way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    If your a smoker or into vaping, stop now. Apparently it increases the risk factor according to data analyzed in China over the last few months. I have one with a drink at night but Im done now after reading that info.

    Tobacco or something else?

    If it's something else, I read that that isn't as bad as it doesn't decrease your lung capacity. It just depends on how much you smoke. One joint in the evening probably isn't that bad. Joints all day long however, might be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,586 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    What exactly are the general symptoms of Corona? Hubby sent home cos he has a sore throat n runny nose. I've checked his temp, it's normal. We haven't travelled anywhere foreign or more than 10 miles from home. No confirmed cases in our part of country..yet.. but who's to say that half the country have it now n dont know about it?
    I've heard symptoms can be mild. Chances r hes a little head cold he caught from our son but of course now my mind is going Into overdrive.
    I'm pregnant n starting to worry.

    Runny nose not normally one or the symptoms

    Cough
    Fever
    Shortness of breath
    Muscular pain
    Fatigue

    Seem to be the main symptoms. Runny nose, headache, diarrhoea, vomitus are present in a small amount of cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Vallance, a top UK medical bod, yesterday suggested that handwashing can reduce the risk of infection by 54% so yeah wash your hands. As for the other measures Holohan too went on to explain the likely phased use of them. The possible risk as he sees it is public fatigue or resistance if they are introduced too early or for too long and ultimately ignoring it.

    I'm not arguing against handwashing.

    They've messed up in a multitude of ways. Here's another.

    Imagine for a second that you've just gotten back from Madrid and you've got symptoms of the virus. You, like many people, haven't been paying much attention until quite recently. You go to the HSE website for info, and it tells you not to bother unless you've been to China, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Iran, Japan or the following regions in Italy - Lombardy, Veneto, Emilia-Romagna or Piedmont.

    Do you ring? Probably not. You might well go to work if you're feeling up to it.

    And this also would explain why all of the explained cases we have are linked with Northern Italy

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/advice-for-people-returning-from-affected-areas.html


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Finally convinced my parents to do some level of prep (though still don't see the point of utter panic). Four of us banding together to get a chest freezer, going to grab things we'd usually buy anyway (meat, etc).

    Brother is a teacher, father a taxi driver. Can see brother getting off work for a while soon, and father has said if that happens, he's going to take a few weeks off too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,432 ✭✭✭circadian


    What exactly are the general symptoms of Corona? Hubby sent home cos he has a sore throat n runny nose. I've checked his temp, it's normal. We haven't travelled anywhere foreign or more than 10 miles from home. No confirmed cases in our part of country..yet.. but who's to say that half the country have it now n dont know about it?
    I've heard symptoms can be mild. Chances r hes a little head cold he caught from our son but of course now my mind is going Into overdrive.
    I'm pregnant n starting to worry.

    Sore throat is a symptom but from what I can tell a runny nose is extremely rare (around 4% of cases reported it in a study). It's a lower respiratory illness so if he develops a fever and a harsh dry cough then I'd be contacting GP, but it's probably a head cold. I think I'm on my 4th or 5th cold this season since the two kids bring literally everything home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    is_that_so wrote: »
    South Korea - 35 cases today. Going the right way.

    The right way?

    How, why, what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    What about grocery shopping ?
    Are local supermarkets still open and allowed to enter ?


    Very good question, thanks, I forgot to say.

    All shops and supermarkets are open, provided that people do not gather in large groups and they keep distance.
    At the beginning of the crisis, people would stock large amounts of everything and the shelves were empty, but now things appear to be quieter.
    It is possible to ask for a home delivery of shopping. Many shops and pharmacies offer this solution for free.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    If your a smoker or into vaping, stop now. Apparently it increases the risk factor according to data analyzed in China over the last few months. I have one with a drink at night but Im done now after reading that info.
    I've seen evidence to suggest that smokers were not a higher risk factor so you're going to have to post a link. The article I read made sense to me and it was Bruce Aylward so I will need evidence to change my mind.

    Newstalk has Cathal Friel from the OpenOrphan vaccine company saying that Spring's arrival will see us all naturally immunised. But then if we're all naturally saved by the good weather, who will be getting their product? Agenda-driven nonsense, I hope I'm around to tell my grandchildren (or more likely, grand nieces and nephews) about the propaganda we've been subjected to over the last week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    otnomart wrote: »
    Age profile of patients in Germany seems to be much, much younger

    maybe just reflects more testing, once they aren't getting critical with it.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The right way?

    How, why, what?
    Downward trend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Monkeynut


    You know its the logical thing to do.

    Ive a shed full of loo roll, but I never poop :rolleyes:


    I went down to the river and collected hundreds of doc leaves, I brought them home and stuck them in the freezer.


    If anyone needs to go, pop a couple in the microwave at defrost for 16 seconds.


    Ahh nice and leafy on the backside. Just as nature intended.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Only 24 cases here, so far ....

    That we know of.

    So 24 confirmed cases then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Heard there is a confirmed case in Naas hospital this morning .


    Heard? Where? Source?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭rebeve


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    The Late Late Show have POSTPONED going to Limerick.

    Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse...

    Coventry is available .


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Tobacco or something else?

    If it's something else, I read that that isn't as bad as it doesn't decrease your lung capacity. It just depends on how much you smoke. One joint in the evening probably isn't that bad. Joints all day long however, might be.

    Tobacco / cigarettes. It stated that men were more likely to have contracted coronavirus than women in China, and on average a lot more men smoke than women.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    What exactly are the general symptoms of Corona? Hubby sent home cos he has a sore throat n runny nose. I've checked his temp, it's normal. We haven't travelled anywhere foreign or more than 10 miles from home. No confirmed cases in our part of country..yet.. but who's to say that half the country have it now n dont know about it?
    I've heard symptoms can be mild. Chances r hes a little head cold he caught from our son but of course now my mind is going Into overdrive.
    I'm pregnant n starting to worry.

    Runny nose is not meant to be one of the symptoms , so probably a good sign its something else

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    God, the stories coming out of Italy are absolutely terrifying.

    I'm so glad I've finished having kids. Being pregnant, especially in the early stages, must be so stressful right now. I'm not saying that there is any proof at all that catching the virus while pregnant would do your baby any harm, but you worry about anything and everything at that stage of pregnancy and having this on you would have you absolutely at your wits end.

    I think if I was in the first few months of pregnancy, I'd be asking to work from home (if that was possible) right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    is_that_so wrote: »
    South Korea - 35 cases today. Going the right way.

    Just to explain what this post is about ^

    ....More than 7,300 coronavirus infections have been confirmed throughout South Korea, killing more than 50. It is one of the largest outbreaks outside mainland China, where the deadly virus was first identified. However, the number of new daily infections in South Korea has declined in recent days.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Just seen the Easter holidays (15 days off) are not until April 3rd so if the government are hoping to hold off schools closures I think they'll fail.

    Maybe close the schools this week and make up for lost classes by teaching online as much as possible and/or shortening the summer holidays which are probably too long anyway when compared to the UK for example. Assuming the virus outbreak has subsided by the summer of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Tobacco / cigarettes. It stated that men were more likely to have contracted coronavirus than women in China, and on average a lot more men smoke than women.

    I think I remember that news conference from Dr Aylward and he said they couldn’t find a direct link to smoking and severe cases. Now smoking will automatically increase your chances of dieing regardless of virus but I think what he was saying that they weren’t sure smoking explained the higer male issues. Around the world you have different levels of smokers and it seems to still equate to higher male patients.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    I think most people aren’t aware of the risk of systemic healthcare failure due to #COVID19 because they simply haven’t run the numbers yet. Let’s talk math. 1/n

    Let’s conservatively assume that there are 2,000 current cases in the US today, March 6th. This is about 8x the number of confirmed (lab-diagnosed) cases. We know there is substantial under-Dx due to lack of test kits; I’ll address implications later of under-/over-estimate. 2/n

    We can expect that we’ll continue to see a doubling of cases every 6 days (this is a typical doubling time across several epidemiological studies). Here I mean *actual* cases. Confirmed cases may appear to rise faster in the short term due to new test kit rollouts. 3/n

    We’re looking at about 1M US cases by the end of April, 2M by ~May 5, 4M by ~May 11, and so on. Exponentials are hard to grasp, but this is how they go. 4/n

    As the healthcare system begins to saturate under this case load, it will become increasingly hard to detect, track, and contain new transmission chains. In absence of extreme interventions, this likely won’t slow significantly until hitting >>1% of susceptible population. 5/n

    What does a case load of this size mean for healthcare system? We’ll examine just two factors — hospital beds and masks — among many, many other things that will be impacted. 6/n

    The US has about 2.8 hospital beds per 1000 people. With a population of 330M, this is ~1M beds. At any given time, 65% of those beds are already occupied. That leaves about 330k beds available nationwide (perhaps a bit fewer this time of year with regular flu season, etc). 7/n

    Let’s trust Italy’s numbers and assume that about 10% of cases are serious enough to require hospitalization. (Keep in mind that for many patients, hospitalization lasts for *weeks* — in other words, turnover will be *very* slow as beds fill with COVID19 patients). 8/n

    By this estimate, by about May 8th, all open hospital beds in the US will be filled. (This says nothing, of course, about whether these beds are suitable for isolation of patients with a highly infectious virus.) 9/n

    If we’re wrong by a factor of two regarding the fraction of severe cases, that only changes the timeline of bed saturation by 6 days in either direction. If 20% of cases require hospitalization, we run out of beds by ~May 2nd. 10/n

    If only 5% of cases require it, we can make it until ~May 14th. 2.5% gets us to May 20th. This, of course, assumes that there is no uptick in demand for beds from *other* (non-COVID19) causes, which seems like a dubious assumption. 11/n

    As healthcare system becomes increasingly burdened, Rx shortages, etc, people w/ chronic conditions that are normally well-managed may find themselves slipping into severe states of medical distress requiring intensive care & hospitalization. But let’s ignore that for now. 12/n

    Alright, so that’s beds. Now masks. Feds say we have a national stockpile of 12M N95 masks and 30M surgical masks (which are not ideal, but better than nothing). 13/n

    There are about 18M healthcare workers in the US. Let’s assume only 6M HCW are working on any given day. (This is likely an underestimate as most people work most days of the week, but again, I’m playing conservative at every turn.) 14/n

    As COVID19 cases saturate virtually every state and county, which seems likely to happen any day now, it will soon be irresponsible for all HCWs to not wear a mask. These HCWs would burn through N95 stockpile in 2 days if each HCW only got ONE mask per day. 15/n

    One per day would be neither sanitary nor pragmatic, though this is indeed what we saw in Wuhan, with HCWs collapsing on their shift from dehydration because they were trying to avoid changing their PPE suits as they cannot be reused. 16/n

    How quickly could we ramp up production of new masks? Not very fast at all. The vast majority are manufactured overseas, almost all in China. Even when manufactured here in US, the raw materials are predominantly from overseas... again, predominantly from China. 17/n

    Keep in mind that all countries globally will be going through the exact same crises and shortages simultaneously. We can’t force trade in our favor. 18/n

    Now consider how these 2 factors – bed and mask shortages – compound each other’s severity. Full hospitals + few masks + HCWs running around between beds without proper PPE = very bad mix. 19/n

    HCWs are already getting infected even w/ access to full PPE. In the face of PPE limitations this severe, it’s only a matter of time. HCWs will start dropping from the workforce for weeks at a time, leading to a shortage of HCWs that then further compounds both issues above. 20/n

    We could go on and on about thousands of factors – # of ventilators, or even simple things like saline drip bags. You see where this is going. 21/n

    Importantly, I cannot stress this enough: even if I’m wrong – even VERY wrong – about core assumptions like % of severe cases or current case #, it only changes the timeline by days or weeks. This is how exponential growth in an immunologically naïve population works. 22/n

    Undeserved panic does no one any good. But neither does ill-informed complacency. It’s wrong to assuage the public by saying “only 2% will die.” People aren’t adequately grasping the national and global systemic burden wrought by this swift-moving of a disease. 23/n

    I’m an engineer. This is what my mind does all day: I run back-of-the-envelope calculations to try to estimate order-of-magnitude impacts. I’ve been on high alarm about this disease since ~Jan 19 after reading clinical indicators in the first papers emerging from Wuhan. 24/n

    Nothing in the last 6 weeks has dampened my alarm in the slightest. To the contrary, we’re seeing abject refusal of many countries to adequately respond or prepare. Of course some of these estimates will be wrong, even substantially wrong. 25/n

    But I have no reason to think they’ll be orders-of-magnitude wrong. Even if your personal risk of death is very, very low, don’t mock decisions like canceling events or closing workplaces as undue “panic”. 26/n

    These measures are the bare minimum we should be doing to try to shift the peak – to slow the rise in cases so that healthcare systems are less overwhelmed. Each day that we can delay an extra case is a big win for the HC system. 27/n

    And yes, you really should prepare to buckle down for a bit. All services and supply chains will be impacted. Why risk the stress of being ill-prepared? 28/n

    Worst case, I’m massively wrong and you now have a huge bag of rice and black beans to burn through over the next few months and enough Robitussin to trip out. 29/n

    One more thought: you’ve probably seen multiple respected epidemiologists have estimated that 20-70% of world will be infected within the next year. If you use 6-day doubling rate I mentioned above, we land at ~2-6 billion infected by sometime in July of this year. 30/n

    Obviously I think the doubling time will start to slow once a sizeable fraction of the population has been infected, simply because of herd immunity and a smaller susceptible population. 31/n

    But take the scenarios above (full beds, no PPE, etc, at just 1% of the US population infected) and stretch them out over just a couple extra months. 32/n

    That timeline roughly fits with consensus end-game numbers from these highly esteemed epidemiologists. Again, we’re talking about discrepancies of mere days or weeks one direction or another, but not disagreements in the overall magnitude of the challenge. 33/n

    This is not some hypothetical, fear-mongering, worst-case scenario. This is reality, as far as anyone can tell with the current available data. 34/n
    That’s all for now. Standard disclaimers apply: I’m a PhD biologist but *not* an epidemiologist. Thoughts my own. Yadda yadda. Stay safe out there.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236095180459003909.html

    Thanks for sharing yor analysis. A lot of people are afraid of numbers in here. It took 6 threads to finally accept the correct Death rate calculation. And theree are still some quoting the infamous 2 %
    Without lock down extreme measures we are looking at billions of infected and a much higher death rate because critical people wont be able to get a bed in hospital so they are more likely to die


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,136 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    JDD wrote: »
    God, the stories coming out of Italy are absolutely terrifying.

    I'm so glad I've finished having kids. Being pregnant, especially in the early stages, must be so stressful right now. I'm not saying that there is any proof at all that catching the virus while pregnant would do your baby any harm, but you worry about anything and everything at that stage of pregnancy and having this on you would have you absolutely at your wits end.

    I think if I was in the first few months of pregnancy, I'd be asking to work from home (if that was possible) right now.

    Are they terrifying though, it's bad yes, but nobody is starving and people have to do the right thing and stay at home. It's scary yes but until I see dead on the street and people rioting it's not terrifying for me yet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Heard? Where? Source?

    It reminds me of Boyle Co Roscommon. There was supposed to be a comfirmed case there. The person was even identified and named. Turned out to be b*****x


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