Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Jim_Hodge

Graces7 wrote: »

I have been safely combining aspirin with ibuprofen for many years, Paracetamol has no effect.

Please; ask your GP or pharmacy as I did rather than what is per se medical advice here?

Here's why these threads can be dangerous. That is very bad advice and not safe. Both aspirin and ibuprofen belong to a drug class called nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. They are not to be combined. Paracetamol and Ibuprofen certainly but not those two. No GP or Pharmacist will advise combining these.

Fics

New procedures in work, all non essential inter-department meetings/socialising banned any that have to go ahead must last less then ten mins and where possible keep more then a meter apart. Big changes to how we work.

Anyone else have company policies introduced?

s7ryf3925pivug

Simultaneously thinking that

"The masks don't work" or "The masks only work if you're sick"

and

"The masks are needed by medical professionals."

is doublethink.

Bob24

namloc1980 wrote: »

Someone needs to tell those people that masks don't work.

Yep that’s what I was thinking. Their stupid government has been forcing them to wear them while it clearly hasn’t worked to contain the epidemic there.

Scotty #

Fics wrote: »

New procedures in work, all non essential inter-department meetings/socialising banned any that have to go ahead must last less then ten mins and where possible keep more then a meter apart. Big changes to how we work.

Anyone else have company policies introduced?

Yea, no spending half the day on boards.ie!

robinph

Went to my regular hospital appointment yesterday about my pre-existing condition that adds me to the at risk list if you read some of the scare stories. The thing they normally remind us about if X happens with my condition and number Y is above Z then just come straight in and we'll sort you out, this time I was told not to bother if that happens. Just phone us up and stay away, we'll tell you what to do over the phone but if you come in then you'll just be sat in a corridor and be ignored as the rest of the nursing staff are running around like mad things dealing with all the pensioners on their last legs and won't know what to do with you.

Never had issue X anyway, and no reason that I'm more likely to now. Good that they are that advance to be changing the message to the likes of me several weeks in advance though, long ahead of that hospital being anywhere near overrun with cases. Think there is one case locally I've heard of and it's quite likely this hospital would get sent cases from elsewhere.

Fallschirmjager

dougm1970 wrote: »

ok...again, apologies in advance, i'm pure stupid...but one thing about testing that i'm wondering about.
i seen (online posts) people getting scanned at airports, and was watching a youtuber last night being scanned with a scanner on a train in armenia.
what do these scans show or determine compared to the tests that confirm the virus in hospitals ?

the airport scans are marketing. sure you might spot the odd person with elevated temperature but they just spend an hour on a plane with 300 other people, so unless you are going to stop them all its not a good method and it just means they have a temperature (could be from a normal flu). that is used by governments to show they are doing something, its pointless theatrics. just my opinion. i guess it might stop some who have it from doing medical migration to get the best treatment.

on the subject of real testing however, you get a different story. Look at what South Korea (Singapore and Taiwan) has done. i believe they have tested close to 100,000 (something like that) in S Korea. they have mobile testing centres setup in car parks where an outbreak happens, they have used mobile apps to warn if you were in a place someone who caught it was recently.
This quickly helps identify who needs to stay at home. once you stay at home the infection rate drops below 1...ie. the virus will eventually disappear and also limits the economic effects which are huge btw.

The real win here is you get a gradual incline of the virus but at one that your health service can manage. I think today SKorea infected figure dropped a lot, now down to +30ish (apologies thats from memory). also a test is a lot cheaper than a future ICU stay, it seems only S.Korea etc have realised this currently.


here is the issue for Ireland : its a maths problem
how many ICU beds do we have?
how many are available?
how many hospital beds do we have available?

thats the figure we can support of seriously infected. if the rate of increase is greater than that, you have big problems and you start to get death rates spiking like Italy and China. if you see exponential growth tail end of this week/next week like experienced everywhere else, i would not be surprised if the order goes out to do what Italy has done, stay at home. this will get the infection rate below +1. it is a bombshell to our economy however.

finally, dont want to be a debbie downer, but we need to prepare that this will now be an annual event for a while. The infamous 1918 virus was around until 1920. pretty sure the death rate in year 2 was way higher btw. this virus will disappear in the summer (the sun is a great sterliser) but its pretty much guaranteed to be back next autumn (lets pray not in a more dangerous form). until we get the best antiviral solution of herd immunity of +70%(or a vaccine but thats a long shot)..its here for a while. again just an opinion yours may differ...

pps there was a great book years ago i read called 'the hot zone'. its primarily based on the little known ebola outbreak in the US (Reston). if you want to scare the living crap out of yourself read that book and see how close to catastrophe we were and you could argue...are.

is_that_so

Fics wrote: »

New procedures in work, all non essential inter-department meetings/socialising banned any that have to go ahead must last less then ten mins and where possible keep more then a meter apart. Big changes to how we work.

Anyone else have company policies introduced?

It should be that way all the time!

dougm1970

caveat emptor wrote: »

Hearing first hand some measures being implemented in Italy this morning and what the ban means. Sounds similar to wuhan but with an Italian flavour more documentation / less action and more watered down.

Posting as may prove useful as a comparison if / when it comes here.

• If you have to go to work you have to sign a disclaimer of some description.
• Covers your route to work and approved by local government.
• Only allowed outside for work and shopping
• Only one family member can get shopping

is it only certain types of work...or anyone with a job thats unaffected ?......like, are they closing down businesses temporarily ?...hairdressers, gyms, hotels etc ?........also, i wonder how the mail system is affected.

Christy42

Steve F wrote: »

Please explain the difference?

They help stop you from spreading the disease (obviously not 100%).

So everyone else's mask protects you and your mask protects others. If you don't have it it is worthless. Course in this case it can asymptomatic so who knows if you have it. Hence the wearing if masks in a high risk region.

Masks get worn by medical professionals as they are at high risk of getting the disease and because they may be dealing with people with open wounds etc. Don't want to be giving them anything at all. Corona or not. Hence why they are used in surgery.

is_that_so

Bob24 wrote: »

Yep that’s what I was thinking. Their stupid government has been forcing them to wear them while it clearly hasn’t worked to contain the epidemic there.

That's top dog Xi in the photo BTW( or a body double!)

JDD

Fics wrote: »

New procedures in work, all non essential inter-department meetings/socialising banned any that have to go ahead must last less then ten mins and where possible keep more then a meter apart. Big changes to how we work.

Anyone else have company policies introduced?

Wow, that's forward thinking of them.

The only thing that has changed here is international travel has to be signed off by a senior director. Domestic travel is still allowed. Not sure how they'd impose the meter apart rule in here as we're packed in like chickens as it is.

Kermit.de.frog

caveat emptor wrote: »

Hearing first hand some measures being implemented in Italy this morning and what the ban means. Sounds similar to wuhan but with an Italian flavour more documentation / less action and more watered down.

Posting as may prove useful as a comparison if / when it comes here.

• If you have to go to work you have to sign a disclaimer of some description.
• Covers your route to work and approved by local government.
• Only allowed outside for work and shopping
• Only one family member can get shopping

I'm giggling furiously at the notion that Italy either could or is going to enforce any of that

ThePopehimself

Graces7 wrote: »

There was a news item recently about a disused mental disability centre now being adapted for isolation; I think it was Cork? and there are others being worked on.

Here it is:

Builders have been on-site at the St Mary's health campus in Gurranabraher (Cork) all weekend, working to refurbish the idle Grove House into a spillover unit for patients.

CONTRACTORS are working around-the-clock to convert a disused building on the northside of the city into an isolation unit for coronavirus patients.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Coronavirus-latest-Builders-working-around-the-clock-to-create-northside-isolation-unit-e61d7e76-99f8-40b0-8db9-1d23e148f5c2-ds

Mic 1972

Death rate up from 5.79% to 5.91%
The trend changed from negative to positive on Sunday when we hit the lowest death rate figure since the beginning at 5.62%

Kaisr Sose

00benski wrote: »

Oh for f*** sake. Can people please stop posting stuff up here without confirmation. Its adding to the hysteria and it's plain wrong.

Its already way too late for that. In some cases its like people want to see panic and chaos, just so they can come in here to complain about it.

gabeeg

fits wrote: »

Big time, I wonder if this will swing support towards Sanders who is advocating universal healthcare.

Sobering news about hospitals in Italy not taking over 65s. Thats truly terrible.

What?

josip

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Funeral directors have been advised that any person who dies of coronavirus should be immediately cremated or buried without a funeral service

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-victims-to-be-immediately-buried-without-funeral-service-39031428.html

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I believe this is the strongest message yet and the one which will resonate the most.

"it's nearly time we had a little less respect for the dead, an' a little more regard for the living." – Juno Boyle

Scotty #

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Death rate up from 5.79% to 5.91%
The trend changed from negative to positive on Sunday when we hit the lowest death rate figure since the beginning at 5.62%

??? Who is doing the math?

Confirmed cases - 114,544
Deaths - 4,026

(4026/114544)*100 = 3.51%

Am I missing something?

Considering there must be thousands who have had it and not gone to GP the real death rate must be even lower. How are they coming up with over 5%?

Or rather... who is coming up with >5%?

gabeeg

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm giggling furiously at the notion that Italy either could or is going to enforce any of that

I woke this morning to the sound of my girlfriend roaring
down the phone in Italian to her mother, who was planning on meeting her friend for a coffee before doing some shopping.

This could take a while

retro:electro

After all my givinouh about The Government last week, I was massively impressed with Simon Coveney last night on Claire Byrne. He was measured and calm but still managed to relay the seriousness of the situation, and he seemed confident despite acknowledging its not clear yet what they could potentially be dealing with. He’s a great speaker. I’d rather listen to him any day than Harris. I’m impressed with what’s being done so far.

wylo

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Death rate up from 5.79% to 5.91%
The trend changed from negative to positive on Sunday when we hit the lowest death rate figure since the beginning at 5.62%

There should nearly be a seperate thread on death rates at this stage.


There are a million ways to read it, some scientists are pointing to South Koreas model of .6% as the most accurate because they performed so many tests.

igCorcaigh

Scotty # wrote: »

??? Who is doing the math?

Confirmed cases - 114,544
Deaths - 4,026

(4026/114544)*100 = 3.51%

Am I missing something?

Considering there must be thousands who have had it and not gone to GP the real death rate must be even lower. How are they coming up with over 5%?

Might be using closed case count.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Scotty # wrote: »

??? Who is doing the math?

Confirmed cases - 114544
Deaths - 4026

(4026/114544)*100 = 3.51%

Yes based on China's figures as a sample (which is the largest we have) the 3.51% figure is closer to the mark.

Also consider that the 80k+ cases in China are only those who tested positive, I'd imagine there are many many more who have been infected but not tested which will lower that rate again once everything has concluded.

I'd bet the CFR would be closer to 2% once all is said and done.

Mic 1972

Scotty # wrote: »

??? Who is doing the math?

Confirmed cases - 114,544
Deaths - 4,026

(4026/114544)*100 = 3.51%

Am I missing something?

Considering there must be thousands who have had it and not gone to GP the real death rate must be even lower. How are they coming up with over 5%?

you are including unresolved cases in your calculation

gabeeg

retro:electro wrote: »

After all my givinouh about The Government last week, I was massively impressed with Simon Coveney last night on Claire Byrne. He was measured and calm but still managed to relay the seriousness of the situation, and he seemed confident despite acknowledging its not clear yet what they could potentially be dealing with. He’s a great speaker. I’d rather listen to him any day than Harris. I’m impressed with what’s being done so far.

It's good that they've had the bejaysius scared out of them, but they've wasted a couple of really valuable weeks.

Utter Consternation

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Just saw a guy buying a large box of dust masks in my local CO-OP.

still plenty on the shelves mind, though the dog food was scarce

Fcuk!!! Dog food is scarce?? I'm going to head out and buy twenty pallets of it.

We don't even have a dog.

boetstark

pad199207 wrote: »

Completely unconfirmed but I’m hearing schools may be closing next Wednesday for a month

Very possible, two schools in Limerick have advised students to empty lockers and bring books etc home.

igCorcaigh

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1237318781430611969?s=19

Scotty #

Mic 1972 wrote: »

you are including unresolved cases in your calculation

That must be it, though going on latest figures that would give 6.2%