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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    I think most people aren’t aware of the risk of systemic healthcare failure due to #COVID19 because they simply haven’t run the numbers yet. Let’s talk math. 1/n

    Let’s conservatively assume that there are 2,000 current cases in the US today, March 6th. This is about 8x the number of confirmed (lab-diagnosed) cases. We know there is substantial under-Dx due to lack of test kits; I’ll address implications later of under-/over-estimate. 2/n

    We can expect that we’ll continue to see a doubling of cases every 6 days (this is a typical doubling time across several epidemiological studies). Here I mean *actual* cases. Confirmed cases may appear to rise faster in the short term due to new test kit rollouts. 3/n

    We’re looking at about 1M US cases by the end of April, 2M by ~May 5, 4M by ~May 11, and so on. Exponentials are hard to grasp, but this is how they go. 4/n

    As the healthcare system begins to saturate under this case load, it will become increasingly hard to detect, track, and contain new transmission chains. In absence of extreme interventions, this likely won’t slow significantly until hitting >>1% of susceptible population. 5/n

    What does a case load of this size mean for healthcare system? We’ll examine just two factors — hospital beds and masks — among many, many other things that will be impacted. 6/n

    The US has about 2.8 hospital beds per 1000 people. With a population of 330M, this is ~1M beds. At any given time, 65% of those beds are already occupied. That leaves about 330k beds available nationwide (perhaps a bit fewer this time of year with regular flu season, etc). 7/n

    Let’s trust Italy’s numbers and assume that about 10% of cases are serious enough to require hospitalization. (Keep in mind that for many patients, hospitalization lasts for *weeks* — in other words, turnover will be *very* slow as beds fill with COVID19 patients). 8/n

    By this estimate, by about May 8th, all open hospital beds in the US will be filled. (This says nothing, of course, about whether these beds are suitable for isolation of patients with a highly infectious virus.) 9/n

    If we’re wrong by a factor of two regarding the fraction of severe cases, that only changes the timeline of bed saturation by 6 days in either direction. If 20% of cases require hospitalization, we run out of beds by ~May 2nd. 10/n

    If only 5% of cases require it, we can make it until ~May 14th. 2.5% gets us to May 20th. This, of course, assumes that there is no uptick in demand for beds from *other* (non-COVID19) causes, which seems like a dubious assumption. 11/n

    As healthcare system becomes increasingly burdened, Rx shortages, etc, people w/ chronic conditions that are normally well-managed may find themselves slipping into severe states of medical distress requiring intensive care & hospitalization. But let’s ignore that for now. 12/n

    Alright, so that’s beds. Now masks. Feds say we have a national stockpile of 12M N95 masks and 30M surgical masks (which are not ideal, but better than nothing). 13/n

    There are about 18M healthcare workers in the US. Let’s assume only 6M HCW are working on any given day. (This is likely an underestimate as most people work most days of the week, but again, I’m playing conservative at every turn.) 14/n

    As COVID19 cases saturate virtually every state and county, which seems likely to happen any day now, it will soon be irresponsible for all HCWs to not wear a mask. These HCWs would burn through N95 stockpile in 2 days if each HCW only got ONE mask per day. 15/n

    One per day would be neither sanitary nor pragmatic, though this is indeed what we saw in Wuhan, with HCWs collapsing on their shift from dehydration because they were trying to avoid changing their PPE suits as they cannot be reused. 16/n

    How quickly could we ramp up production of new masks? Not very fast at all. The vast majority are manufactured overseas, almost all in China. Even when manufactured here in US, the raw materials are predominantly from overseas... again, predominantly from China. 17/n

    Keep in mind that all countries globally will be going through the exact same crises and shortages simultaneously. We can’t force trade in our favor. 18/n

    Now consider how these 2 factors – bed and mask shortages – compound each other’s severity. Full hospitals + few masks + HCWs running around between beds without proper PPE = very bad mix. 19/n

    HCWs are already getting infected even w/ access to full PPE. In the face of PPE limitations this severe, it’s only a matter of time. HCWs will start dropping from the workforce for weeks at a time, leading to a shortage of HCWs that then further compounds both issues above. 20/n

    We could go on and on about thousands of factors – # of ventilators, or even simple things like saline drip bags. You see where this is going. 21/n

    Importantly, I cannot stress this enough: even if I’m wrong – even VERY wrong – about core assumptions like % of severe cases or current case #, it only changes the timeline by days or weeks. This is how exponential growth in an immunologically naïve population works. 22/n

    Undeserved panic does no one any good. But neither does ill-informed complacency. It’s wrong to assuage the public by saying “only 2% will die.” People aren’t adequately grasping the national and global systemic burden wrought by this swift-moving of a disease. 23/n

    I’m an engineer. This is what my mind does all day: I run back-of-the-envelope calculations to try to estimate order-of-magnitude impacts. I’ve been on high alarm about this disease since ~Jan 19 after reading clinical indicators in the first papers emerging from Wuhan. 24/n

    Nothing in the last 6 weeks has dampened my alarm in the slightest. To the contrary, we’re seeing abject refusal of many countries to adequately respond or prepare. Of course some of these estimates will be wrong, even substantially wrong. 25/n

    But I have no reason to think they’ll be orders-of-magnitude wrong. Even if your personal risk of death is very, very low, don’t mock decisions like canceling events or closing workplaces as undue “panic”. 26/n

    These measures are the bare minimum we should be doing to try to shift the peak – to slow the rise in cases so that healthcare systems are less overwhelmed. Each day that we can delay an extra case is a big win for the HC system. 27/n

    And yes, you really should prepare to buckle down for a bit. All services and supply chains will be impacted. Why risk the stress of being ill-prepared? 28/n

    Worst case, I’m massively wrong and you now have a huge bag of rice and black beans to burn through over the next few months and enough Robitussin to trip out. 29/n

    One more thought: you’ve probably seen multiple respected epidemiologists have estimated that 20-70% of world will be infected within the next year. If you use 6-day doubling rate I mentioned above, we land at ~2-6 billion infected by sometime in July of this year. 30/n

    Obviously I think the doubling time will start to slow once a sizeable fraction of the population has been infected, simply because of herd immunity and a smaller susceptible population. 31/n

    But take the scenarios above (full beds, no PPE, etc, at just 1% of the US population infected) and stretch them out over just a couple extra months. 32/n

    That timeline roughly fits with consensus end-game numbers from these highly esteemed epidemiologists. Again, we’re talking about discrepancies of mere days or weeks one direction or another, but not disagreements in the overall magnitude of the challenge. 33/n

    This is not some hypothetical, fear-mongering, worst-case scenario. This is reality, as far as anyone can tell with the current available data. 34/n
    That’s all for now. Standard disclaimers apply: I’m a PhD biologist but *not* an epidemiologist. Thoughts my own. Yadda yadda. Stay safe out there.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236095180459003909.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Death rate up from 5.79% to 5.91%
    The trend changed from negative to positive on Sunday when we hit the lowest death rate figure since the beginning at 5.62%

    I think this is a big part of what people aren’t getting. The CFR rate goes up the more healthcare resources are stretched. The more medical attention that can be given to individuals the greater their chance of recovery.

    Imagine our hospitals full of sick needing 24/7 emergency care. Then you start to tell people who need critical care to stay at home. People having heart attacks or strokes won’t get treated as quickly. Healthcare workers not get reasonable rest for weeks drains then, leaves them more susceptible to disease and means they can’t be as effective. I mean the actual compounded effects of a massive surge in cases is extremely difficult to fathom even when you try to think it through.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gabeeg wrote: »
    It's good that they've had the bejaysius scared out of them, but they've wasted a couple of really valuable weeks.
    Nah, they are responding, as they have been all along, to current data, with an eye on what's happening elsewhere. As Holohan said yesterday they have lots of possible measures, which they can deploy at the appropriate time. Latest communications are, IMO, aimed at preparing us for those possibilities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    fits wrote: »
    Big time, I wonder if this will swing support towards Sanders who is advocating universal healthcare.

    Sobering news about hospitals in Italy not taking over 65s. Thats truly terrible. :(

    But utterly predictable....
    Could be. I don't know.


    This will defo be a supply side problem though.


    How many people have it? -> limiting factor how many tests do we have?
    How many people are in hospital? -> How many beds do we have?
    How many people in ICU? -> How many ICU beds do we have?
    How many people will die? -> whatever is left over.
    Really think we need to start taking it seriously. Anybody with a cursory understanding of statistics, probability and flight patterns could see cases being imported from Italy. On any given day there is on average ~10 direct flights from the affected regions in Italy. The cases we are seeking now are from last week. The number of cases in Italy has grown exponentially in the mean time. So the probability of more cases being imported has also increased and we will see more in coming days.

    We are not being given a full picture for a very good reason. Panic is a bigger danger to society. That means some families will have to take the hit for the greater good. I don't want to be one of those families.

    It's not the flu. Although look at the wikipedia page on 1918 Spanish flu for understanding of what happens during pandemic. If you are really arsed look at the sources referenced to dispel any thoughts that it's bull****.

    In lombardy in Italy where first clusters recorded in Italy ~50% of those who tested positive ARE hospitalised. ~7% are in intensive care. They are testing like crazy. WHO said most western countries do not have the resources / training /will to mount a response like china did. We simply don't have enough mechanincal respirators to cope. Very soon Italy won't cope.

    There is a lag on transmission that is lulling people in to false sense of security. There is also concerted effort to put business before health of nation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Yes based on China's figures as a sample (which is the largest we have) the 3.51% figure is closer to the mark.

    Also consider that the 80k+ cases in China are only those who tested positive, I'd imagine there are many many more who have been infected but not tested which will lower that rate again once everything has concluded.

    I'd bet the CFR would be closer to 2% once all is said and done.

    The WHO Experts China group said there were very few undetected asymptomatic cases... as far as they could see, based on the largest cohort of patients to date.

    They described the epidemic as being a 'Pyramid' rather than an 'Iceberg'


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33 Gizit


    There's an article in the Limerick Leader about someone being in contact with a confirmed case and getting tested and the hoops that had to be jumped through. I can't post the link as haven't posted on boards enough. Anyone who can should post the link in here. Should be able to find it from a Google search of Limerick Leader it was posted about 13 hours ago


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    Yes based on China's figures as a sample (which is the largest we have) the 3.51% figure is closer to the mark.

    Also consider that the 80k+ cases in China are only those who tested positive, I'd imagine there are many many more who have been infected but not tested which will lower that rate again once everything has concluded.

    I'd bet the CFR would be closer to 2% once all is said and done.


    I would say it will be even lower but may never, I honestly think there are probably many in China who suspect they have it but are just laying low.

    I actually think if I had it the only reason I would come forward is for the purpose of contact tracing, outside of that I would prefer just self isolate and do what I can to help myself and the spread of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Fcuk!!! Dog food is scarce?? I'm going to head out and buy twenty pallets of it.

    We don't even have a dog.

    You know its the logical thing to do.

    Ive a shed full of loo roll, but I never poop :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,595 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    boetstark wrote: »
    Very possible, two schools in Limerick have advised students to empty lockers and bring books etc home.

    Can confirm that my son's secondary school in Limerick have advised the same.
    It is part of contingency planning to ensure if a shutdown is called that students will have textbooks at home.
    Plan is to go live with an Office365 solution to offer lesson plans and support to students if a shutdown is called.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Nah, they are responding, as they have been all along, to current data, with an eye on what's happening elsewhere. As Holohan said yesterday they have lots of possible measures, which they can deploy at the right time. Latest communications are, IMO, aimed at preparing us for those possibilities.

    I think it's clear that while of course it would be better now, they (and every other government) are trying to time it right because it's been seen in other cases people will not stay quarantined indefinitely.


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    I think most people aren’t aware of the risk of systemic healthcare failure due to #COVID19 because they simply haven’t run the numbers yet. Let’s talk math. 1/n

    Let’s conservatively assume that there are 2,000 current cases in the US today, March 6th. This is about 8x the number of confirmed (lab-diagnosed) cases. We know there is substantial under-Dx due to lack of test kits; I’ll address implications later of under-/over-estimate. 2/n

    We can expect that we’ll continue to see a doubling of cases every 6 days (this is a typical doubling time across several epidemiological studies). Here I mean *actual* cases. Confirmed cases may appear to rise faster in the short term due to new test kit rollouts. 3/n

    We’re looking at about 1M US cases by the end of April, 2M by ~May 5, 4M by ~May 11, and so on. Exponentials are hard to grasp, but this is how they go. 4/n

    As the healthcare system begins to saturate under this case load, it will become increasingly hard to detect, track, and contain new transmission chains. In absence of extreme interventions, this likely won’t slow significantly until hitting >>1% of susceptible population. 5/n

    What does a case load of this size mean for healthcare system? We’ll examine just two factors — hospital beds and masks — among many, many other things that will be impacted. 6/n

    The US has about 2.8 hospital beds per 1000 people. With a population of 330M, this is ~1M beds. At any given time, 65% of those beds are already occupied. That leaves about 330k beds available nationwide (perhaps a bit fewer this time of year with regular flu season, etc). 7/n

    Let’s trust Italy’s numbers and assume that about 10% of cases are serious enough to require hospitalization. (Keep in mind that for many patients, hospitalization lasts for *weeks* — in other words, turnover will be *very* slow as beds fill with COVID19 patients). 8/n

    By this estimate, by about May 8th, all open hospital beds in the US will be filled. (This says nothing, of course, about whether these beds are suitable for isolation of patients with a highly infectious virus.) 9/n

    If we’re wrong by a factor of two regarding the fraction of severe cases, that only changes the timeline of bed saturation by 6 days in either direction. If 20% of cases require hospitalization, we run out of beds by ~May 2nd. 10/n

    If only 5% of cases require it, we can make it until ~May 14th. 2.5% gets us to May 20th. This, of course, assumes that there is no uptick in demand for beds from *other* (non-COVID19) causes, which seems like a dubious assumption. 11/n

    As healthcare system becomes increasingly burdened, Rx shortages, etc, people w/ chronic conditions that are normally well-managed may find themselves slipping into severe states of medical distress requiring intensive care & hospitalization. But let’s ignore that for now. 12/n

    Alright, so that’s beds. Now masks. Feds say we have a national stockpile of 12M N95 masks and 30M surgical masks (which are not ideal, but better than nothing). 13/n

    There are about 18M healthcare workers in the US. Let’s assume only 6M HCW are working on any given day. (This is likely an underestimate as most people work most days of the week, but again, I’m playing conservative at every turn.) 14/n

    As COVID19 cases saturate virtually every state and county, which seems likely to happen any day now, it will soon be irresponsible for all HCWs to not wear a mask. These HCWs would burn through N95 stockpile in 2 days if each HCW only got ONE mask per day. 15/n

    One per day would be neither sanitary nor pragmatic, though this is indeed what we saw in Wuhan, with HCWs collapsing on their shift from dehydration because they were trying to avoid changing their PPE suits as they cannot be reused. 16/n

    How quickly could we ramp up production of new masks? Not very fast at all. The vast majority are manufactured overseas, almost all in China. Even when manufactured here in US, the raw materials are predominantly from overseas... again, predominantly from China. 17/n

    Keep in mind that all countries globally will be going through the exact same crises and shortages simultaneously. We can’t force trade in our favor. 18/n

    Now consider how these 2 factors – bed and mask shortages – compound each other’s severity. Full hospitals + few masks + HCWs running around between beds without proper PPE = very bad mix. 19/n

    HCWs are already getting infected even w/ access to full PPE. In the face of PPE limitations this severe, it’s only a matter of time. HCWs will start dropping from the workforce for weeks at a time, leading to a shortage of HCWs that then further compounds both issues above. 20/n

    We could go on and on about thousands of factors – # of ventilators, or even simple things like saline drip bags. You see where this is going. 21/n

    Importantly, I cannot stress this enough: even if I’m wrong – even VERY wrong – about core assumptions like % of severe cases or current case #, it only changes the timeline by days or weeks. This is how exponential growth in an immunologically naïve population works. 22/n

    Undeserved panic does no one any good. But neither does ill-informed complacency. It’s wrong to assuage the public by saying “only 2% will die.” People aren’t adequately grasping the national and global systemic burden wrought by this swift-moving of a disease. 23/n

    I’m an engineer. This is what my mind does all day: I run back-of-the-envelope calculations to try to estimate order-of-magnitude impacts. I’ve been on high alarm about this disease since ~Jan 19 after reading clinical indicators in the first papers emerging from Wuhan. 24/n

    Nothing in the last 6 weeks has dampened my alarm in the slightest. To the contrary, we’re seeing abject refusal of many countries to adequately respond or prepare. Of course some of these estimates will be wrong, even substantially wrong. 25/n

    But I have no reason to think they’ll be orders-of-magnitude wrong. Even if your personal risk of death is very, very low, don’t mock decisions like canceling events or closing workplaces as undue “panic”. 26/n

    These measures are the bare minimum we should be doing to try to shift the peak – to slow the rise in cases so that healthcare systems are less overwhelmed. Each day that we can delay an extra case is a big win for the HC system. 27/n

    And yes, you really should prepare to buckle down for a bit. All services and supply chains will be impacted. Why risk the stress of being ill-prepared? 28/n

    Worst case, I’m massively wrong and you now have a huge bag of rice and black beans to burn through over the next few months and enough Robitussin to trip out. 29/n

    One more thought: you’ve probably seen multiple respected epidemiologists have estimated that 20-70% of world will be infected within the next year. If you use 6-day doubling rate I mentioned above, we land at ~2-6 billion infected by sometime in July of this year. 30/n

    Obviously I think the doubling time will start to slow once a sizeable fraction of the population has been infected, simply because of herd immunity and a smaller susceptible population. 31/n

    But take the scenarios above (full beds, no PPE, etc, at just 1% of the US population infected) and stretch them out over just a couple extra months. 32/n

    That timeline roughly fits with consensus end-game numbers from these highly esteemed epidemiologists. Again, we’re talking about discrepancies of mere days or weeks one direction or another, but not disagreements in the overall magnitude of the challenge. 33/n

    This is not some hypothetical, fear-mongering, worst-case scenario. This is reality, as far as anyone can tell with the current available data. 34/n
    That’s all for now. Standard disclaimers apply: I’m a PhD biologist but *not* an epidemiologist. Thoughts my own. Yadda yadda. Stay safe out there.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236095180459003909.html

    Sorry. You lost me at 'math'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,561 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Gizit wrote: »
    There's an article in the Limerick Leader about someone being in contact with a confirmed case and getting tested and the hoops that had to be jumped through. I can't post the link as haven't posted on boards enough. Anyone who can should post the link in here. Should be able to find it from a Google search of Limerick Leader it was posted about 13 hours ago

    Self-isolating family lambasts HSE management of situation:
    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/523831/coronavirus-hse-are-as-useful-as-a-chocolate-teapot-say-self-isolating-family.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 37 lak


    Mr Velo wrote: »
    Hearing rumours (fake news quite possibly of course) that all schools will close from next week for 5 weeks (back after Easter Break).

    They close this Friday for paddy's day and are supposed to reopen on Wednesday


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Christy42 wrote: »
    They help stop you from spreading the disease (obviously not 100%).

    So everyone else's mask protects you and your mask protects others. If you don't have it it is worthless. Course in this case it can asymptomatic so who knows if you have it. Hence the wearing if masks in a high risk region.

    Masks get worn by medical professionals as they are at high risk of getting the disease and because they may be dealing with people with open wounds etc. Don't want to be giving them anything at all. Corona or not. Hence why they are used in surgery.

    My post was about Hand washing NOT Masks
    but your info was informative thank you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    Funeral directors have been advised that any person who dies of coronavirus should be immediately cremated or buried without a funeral service.

    The Irish Association of Funeral Directors has distributed a list of radical recommendations in the event of Covid-19 related deaths.

    https://amp.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-victims-to-be-immediately-buried-without-funeral-service-39031428.html

    This is pure scaremongering nonsense. A national paper should not be publishing this on its home page, people will read that and become extremely upset. In Ireland a decision has been made to not go down the lockdown route, otherwise (without extreme incompetence) we would already be doing it. Therefore, life will be going on as normal as possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,724 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Mother-in-laws flight is going ahead tomorrow from Milan. Return flight is cancelled.

    Wife already had a 'contingency' plan already should the return flight get cancelled. Words were thrown last night but she got last call. Police could still reject her from leaving though. She needs to fill out some form of some sort to leave. It will be BAU for them but self-isolate for me as per company instructions.

    Stupid, just utterly stupid.


    Call Italian Immigration with your mother in law's details and inform them that she's symptomatic and a flee risk.
    All Italians, especially husbands understand what the suocera is like.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Expunge


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    Funeral directors have been advised that any person who dies of coronavirus should be immediately cremated or buried without a funeral service.

    The Irish Association of Funeral Directors has distributed a list of radical recommendations in the event of Covid-19 related deaths.

    https://amp.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-victims-to-be-immediately-buried-without-funeral-service-39031428.html

    The big losers here are the Healy-Raes and Mattie McGrath :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,595 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Gizit wrote: »
    There's an article in the Limerick Leader about someone being in contact with a confirmed case and getting tested and the hoops that had to be jumped through. I can't post the link as haven't posted on boards enough. Anyone who can should post the link in here. Should be able to find it from a Google search of Limerick Leader it was posted about 13 hours ago

    here ya go.

    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/523831/coronavirus-hse-are-as-useful-as-a-chocolate-teapot-say-self-isolating-family.html

    makes for sobering reading, particularly with regards to self isolation testing turnaround times.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    Age profile of patients in Germany seems to be much, much younger
    Source: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Gesamt.html

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    What amazes me about this whole thing is it's known a strong immune system is the best defense to any infection or virus

    Yet no one is focusing on strenghtening their immune system with vitamin C or iodine or ginger, garlic etc. Foods, vitamins minerals etc.

    Everyone focused on meaningless trivial crap like 'wipes' that do nothing or hand sprays that do nothing either for the immune system. Just money making rackets at the minute.

    Like with coronavirus as some have said why not let the body get exposed to it immune system fight it off and it's done for.

    Seems it's only killing the very elderly and as pointed out despite all the fear mongering the common flu kills umpteen more people every single year.

    Remember the olden days with measles?. People knew if a child got measles then they would never get it again. It was done for.

    I think the whole bulk buying of hand sanitizers is insane as they don't actually do anything.
    Like a placebo if you will.


    Vitamin D !!!


    https://youtu.be/W5yVGmfivAk


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    Gizit wrote: »
    There's an article in the Limerick Leader about someone being in contact with a confirmed case and getting tested and the hoops that had to be jumped through. I can't post the link as haven't posted on boards enough. Anyone who can should post the link in here. Should be able to find it from a Google search of Limerick Leader it was posted about 13 hours ago

    you're always going to get people who will exaggerate things - and the media are APPALLING with scaremongering. Limerick leader is a rag these days.

    Even if you are in the same house as someone with it, the infection rate is about 15%.

    if you have a fleeting meeting with someone, the rate is miniscule.

    A couple of week ago there were people shouting about not been tested because THEY thought they had it - this was before there was a single case in the country and the people in question had not been abroad or in contact with anyone from China or Italy.

    Yet they still whined to the nation that the doctor wasn't taking them seriously.



    Yes its serious, but very few people in the scheme of things will get it. The scary thing is that they don't fully understand it yet and a vaccine could be 6-12 months away. Though I suspect it will be less than 6 months due to the amount of work being done on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Nah, they are responding, as they have been all along, to current data, with an eye on what's happening elsewhere. As Holohan said yesterday they have lots of possible measures, which they can deploy at the appropriate time. Latest communications are, IMO, aimed at preparing us for those possibilities.

    We could've closed some or all schools. We could have encouraged a degree of social distancing. We could have encouraged employers to allow their staff to work from home.
    There's an array of things, some relatively painless, that we could've employed early on to improve our condition.

    Instead they told us that the risk was low, and that Paddy's day would still go ahead. But wash your hands.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked



    Fake news rabble rabble. I find RT is less hysterical than Western media and definitely serves a useful purpose when seeking to get through the web of mass media.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Just seen the Easter holidays (15 days off) are not until April 3rd so if the government are hoping to hold off schools closures I think they'll fail.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    odyssey06 wrote: »

    The only way to contact trace at this stage is if the HSE give specific details of cases - eg the person was in the emergency department of a certain hospital between 5pm to 7pm. Time to put an end to the nonsense of a case being in the west, south, east etc.

    The HSE are already overwhelmed with just 24 cases.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Scotty # wrote: »
    That must be it, though going on latest figures that would give 6.2%

    it's on worldometer

    recovered 64,273
    deaths 4,029
    rate = 5.91%

    death rate - deaths / total closed cases



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    is it only certain types of work...or anyone with a job thats unaffected ?......like, are they closing down businesses temporarily ?...hairdressers, gyms, hotels etc ?........also, i wonder how the mail system is affected.


    As an Italian, I can tell you that all employees can sign an autocertification where they say that they are travelling from home to work and back.
    All that are eligible for smart working/home working can ask their employers for it. Where I work most of colleagues are home as from today. There are those who can't do their job from home, like me.

    It's ridicolous that it is possible to move for going to work, but can't move for anything else, as if the virus could tell the difference.

    All gyms, schools, cinemas, theatres are closed.
    Hotels are going to close because they got nearly 100% of booking cancellations for nearly the whole year.
    Bar and restaurants should stay closed, not really sure about this.

    Buses and trains can travel, and this is ridicolous as well.

    All transfers outside one's town or city have to be motivated with an absolutely nececessary reason.

    Otherwise the advice is to stay home.
    Because we're Italians, these rules will be hardly observed, I fear... Despite the threat of 3 months jail for those who break the rules.

    Our government has been shy, they are applying the rules they should have applied two or three weeks ago, when they thought that locking down 12 towns would have been enough.

    That's a quick overview of our situation here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 47 industry accountant


    Sorry. You lost me at 'math'.

    I was gonna post this!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 37 lak


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    it's on worldometer

    recovered 64,273
    deaths 4,029
    rate = 5.91%

    death rate - deaths / total closed cases



    How is that then broken down in terms of age, underlying conditions etc.


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