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President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,159 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Boggles wrote:
    Nancy is leader of the house, she is not a potential nominee.
    She is the leading figure in the Democratic party.
    Boggles wrote:
    Standing up to Trump and calling out his narcissistic bullshít is what the grass roots Democrats want.

    It's what every single democrat has been doing since he took office.
    It's fine to stand up to Trump and call him on all his bull.
    The issue here is disrespecting the office of the POTUS and it's etiquette.

    The Democrats should respect the office but not the man. What she did is disrespecting the office of the Presidency and it's not acceptable behaviour in the eyes of many.
    Boggles wrote:
    I'm afraid your friends would be outliers in that respect.
    Have you got anything that's not from social media to show that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    eagle eye wrote: »
    She is the leading figure in the Democratic party.


    It's fine to stand up to Trump and call him on all his bull.
    The issue here is disrespecting the office of the POTUS and it's etiquette.

    The Democrats should respect the office but not the man. What she did is disrespecting the office of the Presidency and it's not acceptable behaviour in the eyes of many.


    Have you got anything that's not from social media to show that?

    And Trump has respected the office of the presidency?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,159 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    And Trump has respected the office of the presidency?
    He isn't a democrat. I expect higher standards from Democrats, it's why I always supported them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,093 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    notobtuse wrote: »
    A president can't expect to have members of his administration who are loyal?

    To the Constitution, sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,093 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    notobtuse wrote: »
    His testimony only hurt the Democrats case, who called him as a key witness.

    You mean tge case


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,093 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    notobtuse wrote: »
    His testimony only hurt the Democrats case, who called him as a key witness.

    You mean the case where Trump was impeached? And even his defenders admitted he commited the high crimes he was charged with? That case? Yeah, big hurt.


    Lest we forget Lt. Colonel Vindmans is a decorated soldier. A great American and an immigration success story


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Four more years. Four more years!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    gold.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,097 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Vindeman fired.

    So here we now see Trumps childish behaviour come to the forefront, he wants to be surrounded by yes people and nothing less will do.

    All hail dear leader.

    Sondland gone too.

    Doesn't matter everyone knows he did it, he is continuing with his cover up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭valoren


    It's a full on cult. Get rid of the suppressive people. The thing with cult devotees is that when they leave their overriding thought is typically WTF was I thinking, how could I have been so blind and stupid.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Boggles wrote: »
    Sondland gone too.

    Doesn't matter everyone knows he did it, he is continuing with his cover up.

    Surprised he hasn’t asked for them to be thrown in jail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    We are witnessing the first time that an elected president willsurvive impeachment and get re elected afterwards. Whats the devilish dems next trick to make a big deal of


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,974 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    We are witnessing the first time that an elected president willsurvive impeachment and get re elected afterwards. Whats the devilish dems next trick to make a big deal of

    We witnessed the first impeachment that didn't allow evidence at a senate trial due to partisan blocking, who pulled a trick?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    duploelabs wrote: »
    We witnessed the first impeachment that didn't allow evidence at a senate trial due to partisan blocking, who pulled a trick?

    And where members of both parties voted to convict.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,385 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Igotadose wrote: »
    You mean the case where Trump was impeached? And even his defenders admitted he commited the high crimes he was charged with? That case? Yeah, big hurt.


    Lest we forget Lt. Colonel Vindmans is a decorated soldier. A great American and an immigration success story

    Vindmans has a Purple Heart. Purple Hearts are only awarded to those injured or killed while serving in the US army.

    The Purple Heart US Lieutenant Colonel was fired by a crooked POTUS whose crooked father paid a crooked doctor to certify a bone spur in the foot of POTUS so that POTUS could dodge the draft. Sums up America today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    And where members of both parties voted to convict.

    The last two impeachments were bi partisan , this one only mitt romney crossed the aisle on one count, it was a very partisan targetted affair


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,290 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Not surprised at all by the firing. This feeble minded pettiness has always been part of trumpys disgusting personality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    The last two impeachments were bi partisan , this one only mitt romney crossed the aisle on one count, it was a very partisan targetted affair

    Not in the senate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,097 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The last two impeachments were bi partisan , this one only mitt romney crossed the aisle on one count, it was a very partisan targetted affair

    It was a partisan acquittal.

    That's a fact.

    Nobody has ever crossed the aisle to convict in history.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,097 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Vindmans has a Purple Heart. Purple Hearts are only awarded to those injured or killed while serving in the US army.

    The Purple Heart US Lieutenant Colonel was fired by a crooked POTUS whose crooked father paid a crooked doctor to certify a bone spur in the foot of POTUS so that POTUS could dodge the draft. Sums up America today.

    Feck Vindman.

    Sondland gave him a million dollars, now that must sting. :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,974 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Boggles wrote: »
    Feck Vindman.

    Sondland gave him a million dollars, now that must sting. :D

    I'm sure the shrapnel injury that Vindman received when he got the purple heart hurt more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,097 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    duploelabs wrote: »
    I'm sure the shrapnel injury that Vindman received when he got the purple heart hurt more

    I meant in terms of Big Orange Man Beat me hard loyalty. Vindman was loyal to his country.

    His brother got the door as well.

    As vindictiveness and pettiness goes that is off the chart.

    What an absolute man child he is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,377 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's incredible really. Trump was just aquited and it's straight on to more of the pearl clutching. Oh no, he's fired people who either disagreed with his foreign policy stance or flat out made stuff up about what they "presumed" happened. What did people think he was going to do, leave them in office for round 2?

    Instead of putting a United campaign together to beat him in Nov the Dems have wasted time and money with this folly that they knew would go nowhere once it got to the Senate.

    Anyhow, I fear the American voters will judge the Dems harshly in Nov, not just in the presidential race either. Voters are under no illusion now that if the Dems win the Senate but lose the presidency then impeachment No 2 will be started straight away and I don't think the majority of Americans want that again.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,093 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    JRant wrote: »
    It's incredible really. Trump was just aquited and it's straight on to more of the pearl clutching. Oh no, he's fired people who either disagreed with his foreign policy stance or flat out made stuff up about what they "presumed" happened. What did people think he was going to do, leave them in office for round 2?
    Exactly what was made up? Because Trump's defense agreed all the charges against him were factual. Not reaching the bar of impeachment, but the events described really happened.
    Anyhow, I fear the American voters will judge the Dems harshly in Nov, not just in the presidential race either. Voters are under no illusion now that if the Dems win the Senate but lose the presidency then impeachment No 2 will be started straight away and I don't think the majority of Americans want that again.

    Uhuh. So, voting in a majority of those oath-abiding Republicans won't cause this to happen, should a Democrat get elected President? At least one of the Trumpettes (Graham, Gym Jordan) has said they'd start an impeachment inquiry into Biden & Burisma, should Biden get elected.

    We'll see who gets judged come November. I think all 3 branches are in play for the Democrats. The frontrunners are all beating Trump in the polls, and I doubt there'll be much trouble taking back the Senate, Romney's made it really easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,377 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Exactly what was made up? Because Trump's defense agreed all the charges against him were factual. Not reaching the bar of impeachment, but the events described really happened.


    Uhuh. So, voting in a majority of those oath-abiding Republicans won't cause this to happen, should a Democrat get elected President? At least one of the Trumpettes (Graham, Gym Jordan) has said they'd start an impeachment inquiry into Biden & Burisma, should Biden get elected.

    We'll see who gets judged come November. I think all 3 branches are in play for the Democrats. The frontrunners are all beating Trump in the polls, and I doubt there'll be much trouble taking back the Senate, Romney's made it really easy.

    The first part never happened.

    As to your second point, it's wrong if either side try to do it in such a haphazard manner.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Legend.

    Perhaps the greatest US president in history .

    Even better seeing all the lunatics screaming at the sky in their pussy hats .... WINNER IS GONNA WIN!!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Legend.

    Perhaps the greatest US president in history .

    Even better seeing all the lunatics screaming at the sky .... WINNER IS GONNA WIN!!!!!!!

    Why is he perhaps greatest US president in history?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Legend.

    Perhaps the greatest US president in history .

    Even better seeing all the lunatics screaming at the sky in their pussy hats .... WINNER IS GONNA WIN!!!!!!!

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,097 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Legend.

    Perhaps the greatest US president in history .

    Not even Trump himself says that. He reckons Abe is then him.

    You are ranting and raving more than a full blown narcissist.

    Let that sink in, enjoy your Saturday night.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭valoren


    The cognitive dissonance from Trump supporters is both fascinating and frightening. The kind of people whose ego is entirely dependent on not being wrong and so the mental gymnastics they employ needs to be continually churning so they can avoid admitting what a complete spoofer the man is and how embarrassingly unfit for any office he is. I particularly love the projection applied to people who criticise him. You're a liar, disingenuous etc. You can have zero interest in politics and have no political leanings and intuitively grasp that the man is an utter bell end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    The only cognitive dissonance on display is from the rabid anti-Trumpers who can't accept that they have yet again faceplanted and so are clutching at non-existent straws in some sad effort at trying to maintain that Trump is in fact guilty of that which he has been found not guilty of. They claim to be about the truth but yet post falsehoods non-stop. I can't recall such an amount of people before who believed they're right when everything shows that they're wrong. There is no talking to most liberals on issues related to Trump. It's a waste of time. They're immune to the truth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,159 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Igotadose wrote:
    Romney's made it really easy.
    It won't matter for the same reason that he didn't get elected POTUS, his religion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,097 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    maintain that Trump is in fact guilty of that which he has been found not guilty of.

    He did it, get over it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    The only cognitive dissonance on display is from the rabid anti-Trumpers who can't accept that they have yet again faceplanted and so are clutching at non-existent straws in some sad effort at trying to maintain that Trump is in fact guilty of that which he has been found not guilty of. They claim to be about the truth but yet post falsehoods non-stop. I can't recall such an amount of people before who believed they're right when everything shows that they're wrong. There is no talking to most liberals on issues related to Trump. It's a waste of time. They're immune to the truth.

    Seriously?

    https://apnews.com/3750c39f92c817a6790098be323142df

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/%3foutputType=amp

    Almost 16000 lies Pete, let that sink in for a moment, the man you admire/revere, the actual POTUS has told 16000 LIES! And then you have the temerity to come on here and accuse others of posting falsehoods :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    So his highness fired people who told the truth under oath. Very classy

    If he is so innocent why ?

    Lowlife


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,587 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    So his highness fired people who told the truth under oath. Very classy

    If he is so innocent why ?

    Lowlife

    not just that he fired the brother of one of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    All the sour grapes in here doesn’t change the fact that Trump is 4/7 shot for the White House now and the Demorats are in absolute rag order. They should just get behind Bernie now instead of trying to screw him over again. But what do you expect from a corrupt party who only try to enrich themselves At the public purse like millionaire Pelosi and billionaire Clinton. The hypocrisy and the anti Americanism of the Democrats is really not playing well to middle America!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    pearcider wrote: »
    All the sour grapes in here doesn’t change the fact that Trump is 4/7 shot for the White House now and the Demorats are in absolute rag order. They should just get behind Bernie now instead of trying to screw him over again. But what do you expect from a corrupt party who only try to enrich themselves At the public purse like millionaire Pelosi and billionaire Clinton. The hypocrisy and the anti Americanism of the Democrats is really not playing well to middle America!

    Unlike the Donald who is a corrupt person trying to enrich himself via the public purse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    So, will the nonsense and impeachment farce fade away since acquittal? Or is Re-impeachment before the election in the works? And when Trump wins will it be Three-impeachment and more and more?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Unlike the Donald who is a corrupt person trying to enrich himself via the public purse.
    How is he enriching himself via the public purse? If anything his wealth has probably decreased since he became President due to the outright hatred of the man from the loony left and from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    So Adam Schiff just tweeted...

    “We did our constitutional duty and upheld our oath, even as many Senators did not.

    They declined to hear from witnesses and refused to convict even as they admitted the case against the President was proven.

    The voters will hold them, and the President, accountable.”


    Huh? Didn’t Schiff spend months telling voters they weren’t smart enough to hold the president accountable at election time and that’s why they rushed the impeachment and were trying so hard to get Trump removed from office before the election?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    How is he enriching himself via the public purse? If anything his wealth has probably decreased since he became President due to the outright hatred of the man from the loony left and from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    He uses his resort every 2nd week for golf, dragging the secret service and MANY staffers along with him, the public pay a hefty $ price for that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    He uses his resort every 2nd week for golf, dragging the secret service and MANY staffers along with him, the public pay a hefty $ price for that.
    He has dozens of properties. Many of which have seen decreases of patronage since he has become president. Please get back to me when you provide sources that indicate the little bit of money received from secret service and staff at the location in Florida outweighs all the losses he is suffering at his other properties since becoming president.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    He uses his resort every 2nd week for golf, dragging the secret service and MANY staffers along with him, the public pay a hefty $ price for that.

    The fact he was overcharging for everything when he was there, its crazy when you think about it, you own something and are visiting but someone else pays the bill! the "stopovers" in Scotland, Mike Pence staying in Doonbeg for a meeting in Dublin. The Trump Washington hotel being booked out by dignatories (that didnt end up well though), the numerous China patents that Ivanka "earned". Trying to get Doral to host the G7, later retreating on that but hosting the Republican convention. The list goes on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    He has dozens of properties. Many of which have seen decreases of patronage since he has become president. Please get back to me when you provide sources that indicate the little bit of money received from secret service and staff at the location in Florida outweighs all the losses he is suffering at his other properties since becoming president.

    On the flip side I am sure you can provide evidence that he has lost money? Your claim so I expect you to provide evidence please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,093 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    On the flip side I am sure you can provide evidence that he has lost money? Your claim so I expect you to provide evidence please.

    No one can tell - not unless we see some tax returns.. hmm.... is there a problem getting those?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    On the flip side I am sure you can provide evidence that he has lost money? Your claim so I expect you to provide evidence please.
    Okay, here’s just a couple (and it’s getting harder and harder to provide sources since so many online news organizations are going behind a pay wall)…

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/15/trump-organization-loses-money-after-donald-trump-elected-president/3679722002/
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-wp-trump-tower-20191105-arjnetoxijdkdkkjzpbiea3i6m-story.html
    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-has-lost-1-billion-personal-wealth-running-president-n916221

    Your turn... if you even have anything.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,587 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    In one respect Trump is correct that being president has cost him money. Now that he has shown himself to be a complete and utter arsehole most decent people dont want to be associated with him and avoid his properties. That is why he drags his carcass down to one of his properties every chance he gets so he charge extortionate rates to those obliged to travel with him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    People imagine how much of a failed businessman he would be if he were not able to direct government sourced business to his resorts.

    Sounds like the kind of guy who goes bankrupt and is a bad business man to me. Id hate to let him be in charge of someone elses finances :D

    The tax returns would tell a real story of how much of a terrible "business" man he is


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    In one respect Trump is correct that being president has cost him money. Now that he has shown himself to be a complete and utter arsehole most decent people dont want to be associated with him and avoid his properties. That is why he drags his carcass down to one of his properties every chance he gets so he charge extortionate rates to those obliged to travel with him.

    Correct he has damaged his own brand all by himself nothing to do with being President.


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