President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

Billy Mays

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus that is some Trumpian ranting and raving.

I think you need to take a bit of break from the Big Bad Orange Man.

It's not healthy.

This

"subjected to torture" ffs :pac:

Will ye get a f*cking grip!!!

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Sounds terrible!


Oh wait


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/7/11/17561616/paul-manafort-solitary-confinement




What "torture" was he subjected to?

Manafort was serving a federal prison sentence in a minimum security prison in Pennsylvania.

But then a New York State judge ordered his move to Rikers Island prison at the request of Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr where he would be subjected at times to solitary confinement.

Rikers Island is a network of nine jails that hold roughly 10,000 inmates. Rikers has become famous for corruption and violence with prison guard use of force nearly doubling in the past few years.

Gee, I wonder why they wanted him in Rikers? Torture, maybe?

Solitary confinement for up to 23 hours a day is still considered torture by many. And it works… It literally breaks people.

Experts confirm that solitary confinement is torture — abject torture for most people. It can drive a sane person completely insane within twenty-four hours. People will say or do anything to get out of it. It plays tricks with the mind. Like many other forms of torture, “information” produced as a result of solitary confinement has very little reliability.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/09/mueller-goon-squad/

More on solitary confinement…
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/what-does-solitary-confinement-do-to-your-mind/

valoren

Even Tricky Dicky wouldn't have dreamed of directing the AG and the DOJ in such a brazen and transparent manner. The man at least had the tact and decency to resign. Stone was an infamous "ratf*cker". Dirty tricks, sleaze, slanderous smears, "kompromat". That's what the toxic prick did, that was his trade. But he got caught. He was indicted and convicted with witness tampering, obstruction of justice and making false statements. Those are serious crimes. He was given a fair trial, you know, one with evidence and witnesses presented and he was found guilty of those crimes. Funnily enough, he would not have been convicted of those crimes if he didn’t commit those crimes in the first place but anyway. Now isn't it interesting now that the infamous ratf*cker is scheduled to be sentenced that Donny is appalled at the treatment he received, how supportive he is of Rog? Going beyond expected protocol and retaining the DOJ's impartiality strikes me as an act of quiet desperation. Stone is no fool and is anyone willing to bet that he, after years of dirty tricks, doesn't know or have anything that would destroy Donny? Of course he has. Trump's goal is to dangle a pardon for Stone and exploit the situation to muddy the waters and slander career prosecutors, blame the Dems and lend credence to conspiracy nut cases i.e. keep your mouth shut Rog. I can and I will pardon you if you do

Billy Mays

So no evidence of him being tortured and an article from the Tucker Carlson founded Daily Caller

Cool

MonkeyTennis

For crying out loud. No-one in their right minds here is going to take seriously articles from the Daily Caller FFS

If thats where you are getting your information from youd want to wise up

Dytalus

notobtuse wrote: »

Solitary confinement for up to 23 hours a day is still considered torture by many. And it works… It literally breaks people.



https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/09/mueller-goon-squad/

More on solitary confinement…
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/what-does-solitary-confinement-do-to-your-mind/

Yes it does. I'm sure your disdain for it is widespread and has fueled a desire for mass reform of the American justice system - which uses it extensively - based on this research

Or do you just have a problem with it because one of 'your guys' is at risk of it? Never mind that I can find no mention of him staring down solitary at all. He is, however, being held "in isolation" which is not the same thing. It means he's held separate from the main body of the prison inmates, not that he's locked in solitary confinement. There will be other high-profile inmates with him:

A law-enforcement official familiar with the correction department’s practices, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss security measures, said Mr. Manafort would most likely be housed in a former prison hospital on the island. That is where most high-profile detainees are held, including police officers, those accused of killing police officers, politicians and celebrities.

A law enforcement official familiar with the jail’s practices said he would probably be held in one of the oldest buildings in the island, known as the North Infirmary Command, which was built in the early 1930s, or in one of the complex’s newest structures, a set of fiberglass tent-like structures known as “Sprungs.”

Cell blocks in the infirmary command have eight cells and a day room with a television on each tier, the official said. The inmates are not locked in their cells during the day.

URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/manafort-rikers-island-solitary-confinement.html"]Source[/URL

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

Manafort was serving a federal prison sentence in a minimum security prison in Pennsylvania.

But then a New York State judge ordered his move to Rikers Island prison at the request of Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr where he would be subjected at times to solitary confinement.

Ah so you are upset that he was moved from a cushy place?

Gee, I wonder why they wanted him in Rikers? Torture, maybe?

Again you use the word torture, can you show proof that he was subjected to torture "like a terrorist"?

Solitary confinement for up to 23 hours a day is still considered torture by many. And it works… It literally breaks people.

But he wasn't as I posted above.

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But he wasn't as I posted above.

And when he's not meeting with his attorneys and legal team?

notobtuse

Dytalus wrote: »

Yes it does. I'm sure your disdain for it is widespread and has fueled a desire for mass reform of the American justice system - which uses it extensively - based on this research

Or do you just have a problem with it because one of 'your guys' is at risk of it? Never mind that I can find no mention of him staring down solitary at all. He is, however, being held "in isolation" which is not the same thing. It means he's held separate from the main body of the prison inmates, not that he's locked in solitary confinement. There will be other high-profile inmates with him:



URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/manafort-rikers-island-solitary-confinement.html"]Source[/URL

In the case of terrorists, some murders and rapists, and extremely violent prisoners I’d say it is warranted at times. Manafort’s crime does not approach those extremes in the least bit.

notobtuse

valoren wrote: »

Even Tricky Dicky wouldn't have dreamed of directing the AG and the DOJ in such a brazen and transparent manner. The man at least had the tact and decency to resign. Stone was an infamous "ratf*cker". Dirty tricks, sleaze, slanderous smears, "kompromat". That's what the toxic prick did, that was his trade. But he got caught. He was indicted and convicted with witness tampering, obstruction of justice and making false statements. Those are serious crimes. He was given a fair trial, you know, one with evidence and witnesses presented and he was found guilty of those crimes. Funnily enough, he would not have been convicted of those crimes if he didn’t commit those crimes in the first place but anyway. Now isn't it interesting now that the infamous ratf*cker is scheduled to be sentenced that Donny is appalled at the treatment he received, how supportive he is of Rog? Going beyond expected protocol and retaining the DOJ's impartiality strikes me as an act of quiet desperation. Stone is no fool and is anyone willing to bet that he, after years of dirty tricks, doesn't know or have anything that would destroy Donny? Of course he has. Trump's goal is to dangle a pardon for Stone and exploit the situation to muddy the waters and slander career prosecutors, blame the Dems and lend credence to conspiracy nut cases i.e. keep your mouth shut Rog. I can and I will pardon you if you do

Oh the hypocrisy. Remember when the Attorney General Eric Holder proclaimed 'I'm still the president's wingman?'

Yes, Stone deserves some jail time but nine years is too excessive, though. As does Tony Podesta, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, and James Clapper for their illegal activities. Right?

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

And when he's not meeting with his attorneys and legal team?

He is in his cell, like ANY other prisoner, why should he get special treatment?

Outlaw Pete

notobtuse wrote: »

Yes, Stone deserves some jail time but nine years is too excessive, though. As does Tony Podesta, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, and James Clapper for their illegal activities. Right?

Ah that's not fair, Andy said he was sorry. You can't prosecute people if they say they're sorry.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/02/andrew-mccabe-said-he-lied-to-fbi-about-wall-street-journal-leak/

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

Oh the hypocrisy. Remember when the Attorney General Eric Holder proclaimed 'I'm still the president's wingman?'

Yes, Stone deserves some jail time but nine years is too excessive, though. As does Tony Podesta, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, and James Clapper for their illegal activities. Right?

In your opinion.

As for your little list, if they receive a fair trial (like Stone) and are found guilty then yes they deserve jail time, no on is saying different on here.

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

In your opinion.

As for your little list, if they receive a fair trial (like Stone) and are found guilty then yes they deserve jail time, no on is saying different on here.

Good man. So they all should be charged, arrested and tried in a court of law, I take it.

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

Good man. So they all should be charged, arrested and tried in a court of law, I take it.

If there is proof of a crime then they should be charged, after a fair trial if they are found guilty then they should go to jail. I don't have an issue with that.

Why hasn't Trump asked for their arrest do you think?

Stallingrad

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

There is no talking to most liberals on issues related to Trump. It's a waste of time. They're immune to the truth.

What nonsense, you have been engaged with endlessly and have rarely dealt with any of the challenging questions put to you that require you to do some objective thinking and honest responding. The problem for Trump supporters is your guy makes it near impossible to sound credible, you ask for 'truth', yet Trump lies endlessly, you laud his trade wars without admitting it's resulted in socialist style bailouts, the economy is going well but you a blind eye to the staggering deficit he is running up, he's building the wall and raiding the Pentagon to fund it, the contradictions are blindingly obvious and endless, it goes on and on.

I only know a couple of Trump supporters, and the literally are unable to articulate why they support him outside of a few soundbites which mean little, MAGA, drian the swamp,etc. They cant say it but they like him as he allows them to be open about their dislike for civil discourse, intelligent debate, those uppity n!ggers, minorities, latino, intelligent women, gays, black babies, etc.

That is the guy you bat for.

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If there is proof of a crime then they should be charged, after a fair trial if they are found guilty then they should go to jail. I don't have an issue with that.

Why hasn't Trump asked for their arrest do you think?

Because Trump can be a wuss at times. But there’s still hope if democrats keep pushing.

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

Because Trump can be a wuss at times. But there’s still hope if democrats keep pushing.

So dems should push for arrests/conviction but Reps can cry foul (after a trial/conviction) and scream "UNFAIR" when the sentence is too long in their opinion?

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So dems should push for arrests/conviction but Reps can cry foul (after a trial/conviction) and scream "UNFAIR" when the sentence is too long in their opinion?

Dems do already... All but the unfair part because they get away with their crimes. Didn't you know there is one set of laws for republicans and no set of laws for democrats?

Gwen Cooper

notobtuse wrote: »

Didn't you know there is one set of laws for republicans and no set of laws for democrats?

Yes. Yes, we noticed that lately.

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

Dems do already... All but the unfair part because they get away with their crimes. Didn't you know there is one set of laws for republicans and no set of laws for democrats?

If there is proof of crimes why hasn't the Donald had them arrested/charged? C'mon man it's not a difficult question, why have they not been arrested?

He is literally the most powerful man there, he has republican judges coming out of his proverbial wazzoo, why has t he had them arrested and charged if there is proof of crimes committed?

pearcider

Stallingrad wrote: »

What nonsense, you have been engaged with endlessly and have rarely dealt with any of the challenging questions put to you that require you to do some objective thinking and honest responding. The problem for Trump supporters is your guy makes it near impossible to sound credible, you ask for 'truth', yet Trump lies endlessly, you laud his trade wars without admitting it's resulted in socialist style bailouts, the economy is going well but you a blind eye to the staggering deficit he is running up, he's building the wall and raiding the Pentagon to fund it, the contradictions are blindingly obvious and endless, it goes on and on.

I only know a couple of Trump supporters, and the literally are unable to articulate why they support him outside of a few soundbites which mean little, MAGA, drian the swamp,etc. They cant say it but they like him as he allows them to be open about their dislike for civil discourse, intelligent debate, those uppity n!ggers, minorities, latino, intelligent women, gays, black babies, etc.

That is the guy you bat for.

Obama started the staggering deficits he doubled the national debt. Trump is not gonna over spend 40 trillion no matter how much he tries. And Trump has done more for the uppity minorities than any president in history - by giving them employment in record numbers. You lefties are the ones blinded to Trumps rather brilliant achievements to date because you don’t like his style basically. Obama was all style and no substance. He doubled the national debt spending more than all the 43 presidents before him combined. Let that sink in.

Also Roger Stone is an absolute gentleman. His arrest and persecution is nothing but sour grapes by the Democratic controlled State Dept and FBI. Sending an armed swat team to arrest him in a dawn raid while also tipping off the clown news network to the raid says it all. The deep state are scum.

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If there is proof of crimes why hasn't the Donald had them arrested/charged? C'mon man it's not a difficult question, why have they not been arrested?

He is literally the most powerful man there, he has republican judges coming out of his proverbial wazzoo, why has t he had them arrested and charged if there is proof of crimes committed?

Trump as president is not allowed to arrest or legally charge anyone. He's not a king.

Timberrrrrrrr

pearcider wrote: »

Obama started the staggering deficits he doubled the national debt. Trump is not gonna over spend 40 trillion no matter how much he tries. And Trump has done more for the uppity minorities than any president in history - by giving them employment in record numbers. You lefties are the ones blinded to Trumps rather brilliant achievements to date because you don’t like his style basically. Obama was all style and no substance. He doubled the national debt spending more than all the 43 presidents before him combined. Let that sink in.

I think Lincoln and Trueman might have something to say about that ridiculous claim.

Also Roger Stone is a criminal. His arrest and persecution is nothing but sour grapes by the Democratic controlled State Dept and FBI. Sending an armed swat team to arrest him in a dawn raid while also tipping off the clown news network to the raid says it all. The deep state are scum.

Fixed that for you. He was arrested, charged, tried in court and found guilty. I get it, you Trump fans hate to see decisions go against your golden boys but this (along with Trumps impeachment) is a fact.

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

Trump as president is not allowed to arrest or legally charge anyone. He's not a king.

I never said he could, but if he or anyone else has proof of crimes they could have the perpetrators arrested, why do you think this hasn't happened?

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Fixed that for you. He was arrested, charged, tried in court and found guilty. I get it, you Trump fans hate to see decisions go against your golden boys but this (along with Trumps impeachment) is a fact.

Wrong. All we want is equal justice under the law. I know that's a hard concept for the left and democrats here to comprehend, but it's merely that simple.

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

Wrong. All we want is equal justice under the law. I know that's a hard concept for the left and democrats here to comprehend, but it's merely that simple.

Why do you keep dodging the question?

If there is proof of a crime why hasn't there been arrests?

Edit: I'm neither left nor Democrat, I'm just an interested observer of American politics, especially the shìt show that has taken place since Trump was elected.

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I never said he could, but if he or anyone else has proof of crimes they could have the perpetrators arrested, why do you think this hasn't happened?

What, like have Trump go to each of their houses and make a citizen's arrest?

I think Barr will eventually get around to it. He's not Shifty Schiff who starts legal proceedings without firm evidence, willy nilly.

pearcider

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I think Lincoln and Trueman might have something to say about that ridiculous claim.



Fixed that for you. He was arrested, charged, tried in court and found guilty. I get it, you Trump fans hate to see decisions go against your golden boys but this (along with Trumps impeachment) is a fact.

Sorry this coming from the poster who supported the Mullahs in Iran in a thread recently even suggesting the US was to blame for shooting down the airliner over Tehran. You have zero credibility to any sane observer.

Also Roger Stone was the victim of the same coup attempt and witch hunt of Trump instigated by the errand boys of the corrupt Washington DC elite typified by creeps like Strok and Mueller. Anti American scum who still can’t accept that the wicked witch of the west Hilary Clinton lost the election because she was a soulless globalist robot with less empathy than Leo varadkar.

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why do you keep dodging the question?

If there is proof of a crime why hasn't there been arrests?

Edit: I'm neither left nor Democrat, I'm just an interested observer of American politics, especially the shìt show that has taken place since Trump was elected.

You should have shown interest when Obama was in charge... talk about ultra sh!t show!