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President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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    #4922
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,258 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    notobtuse wrote: »
    But Clinton had reason to be humble and sorry for his actions... Trump didn't as he committed no crime and the House impeachment was a farce.

    Are you willing to back up this comment when Bolton's book comes out soon?

    Let me guess, Bolton is a liar, lefty, never trumper, etc.


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    #4923
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Are you willing to back up this comment when Bolton's book comes out soon?

    Let me guess, Bolton is a liar, lefty, never trumper, etc.
    I base my opinion on the facts as I know them. If the situation changes so might my opinion. I’m open minded that way.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4924
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,460 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    But Clinton had reason to be humble and sorry for his actions... Trump didn't as he committed no crime and the House impeachment was a farce.

    I will repeat

    Going by your standards, Clinton is as innocent as Trump.

    It doesn't matter if you believe "Clinton had reason to be humble and sorry for his actions" no more than wether I think Trump should be jailed for his. As you pointed out, Trump was acquited, as I pointed out Clinton was also aqquited and is therefore by your own standards as innocent as Trump.


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    #4925
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I will repeat

    Going by your standards, Clinton is as innocent as Trump.

    It doesn't matter if you believe "Clinton had reason to be humble and sorry for his actions" no more than wether I think Trump should be jailed for his. As you pointed out, Trump was acquited, as I pointed out Clinton was also aqquited and is therefore by your own standards as innocent as Trump.
    Yes, both were not removed from office. Both, IMO, should never been impeached in the first place. But the comment of mine you reference was merely a response to a poster showing the difference between Clinton and Trumps public comments after their acquittals, and why I thought they both were made in appropriate fashion.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4926
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,460 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Yes, both were not removed from office. Both, IMO, should never been impeached in the first place. But the comment of mine you reference was merely a response to a poster showing the difference between Clinton and Trumps public comments after their acquittals, and why I thought they both were made in appropriate fashion.

    2 minutes of solemn speech versus over an hour of ranting.


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    #4927
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    2 minutes of solemn speech versus over an hour of ranting.
    Yup

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4928
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,460 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Yup

    You think that an hour of ranting is appropriate?


    Okayyyyy.


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    #4929
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You think that an hour of ranting is appropriate?


    Okayyyyy.
    It certainly was entertaining to say the least (I heard some of it, but not all of it on the radio). I guess he had a few things to get off his chest. I gather witnessing the end of a witch hunt would do that kind of thing to you.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4930
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,865 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    notobtuse wrote: »
    But Clinton had reason to be humble and sorry for his actions... Trump didn't as he committed no crime and the House impeachment was a farce.

    Don't remember any Democrats voting to remove Clinton from office.


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    #4931
    Eliezer Thankful Plastic
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    Should have gone after him over emoluments if they were insisting on impeaching him. Going after him over Ukraine was a joke.

    Sending it to the senate was a late Christmas present for Trump.


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    #4932
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Boggles wrote: »
    Don't remember any Democrats voting to remove Clinton from office.
    True. Can’t explain the reason why Romney voted for the death penalty for something that at most would have warranted a speeding ticket. Hatred and jealously of Trump is the only thing I can imagine at the moment.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4933
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Should have gone after him over emoluments if they were insisting on impeaching him. Going after him over Ukraine was a joke.

    Sending it to the senate was a late Christmas present for Trump.
    The emoluments thing was going through the court system. Verdict is now in from the court of appeals and didn’t end up as Democrats had hoped.

    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/02/07/appeals-court-dems-no-standing-sue-trump-emoluments-clause/

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4934
    Boggles
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    True. Can’t explain the reason why Romney voted for the death penalty for something that at most would have warranted a speeding ticket.

    What's this absolute irrelevance?

    notobtuse wrote: »
    Hatred and jealously of Trump is the only thing I can imagine at the moment.

    53 Senators and only one backbone between them.

    Did Romney get more votes than Trump when he ran for President?


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    #4935
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,460 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    It certainly was entertaining to say the least (I heard some of it, but not all of it on the radio). I guess he had a few things to get off his chest. I gather witnessing the end of a witch hunt would do that kind of thing to you.

    Entertaining you say?

    Hes the POTUS ffs he isn't supposed to be "entertaining" hes supposed to be professional!

    I can only imagine how "entertaining" he will be if he does lose and not get his 2and term :rolleyes:


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    #4936
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Boggles wrote: »
    Did Romney get more votes than Trump when he ran for President?
    Don’t know, but it’s irrelevant. It’s electoral college votes that count.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4937
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Entertaining you say?

    Hes the POTUS ffs he isn't supposed to be "entertaining" hes supposed to be professional!

    I can only imagine how "entertaining" he will be if he does lose and not get his 2and term :rolleyes:
    Presidents can't be people too? Did you see the SOTU? Probably the best presidential and professional (as you say) SOTU speech I've seen, ever!

    If he loses, this is what I'd expect to see from him...

    488226322.jpg?resize=750,500

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4938
    Boggles
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Don’t know, but it’s irrelevant. It’s electoral college votes that count.

    Sure.

    But more people voted for him than Trump and that was up against an extremely
    popular incumbent.

    Pretty impressive.


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    #4939
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Boggles wrote: »
    Sure.

    But more people voted for him than Trump and that was up against an extremely
    popular incumbent.

    Pretty impressive.
    I guess he's changed. Losing the big prize sometimes does that to people.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4940
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,460 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Presidents can't be people too? Did you see the SOTU? Probably the best presidential and professional (as you say) SOTU speech I've seen, ever!

    If he loses, this is what I'd expect to see from him...

    488226322.jpg?resize=750,500

    I did watch it, definitely not "the best presidential and professional" SOTU speech ever. He was obviously told stick to the script for once in your life and dont mess this up, just stick to the script.


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    #4941
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,865 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I guess he's changed. Losing the big prize sometimes does that to people.

    I imagine he wouldn't have been a dribbling sub servant to the Big Bad Orange Man in 2012 either to be honest.

    It is the party that he is a member of that has changed, it has been hijacked and gutted and turned into King Makers.


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    #4942
    FreeThePants
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭FreeThePants


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I guess he's changed. Losing the big prize sometimes does that to people.

    He didn't change, the Republican party just became a cult where nobody is allowed criticise or speak out against Dear Leader.


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    #4943
    FreeThePants
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭FreeThePants


    Joe Walsh is the latest former Republican to say what others have been for years: the Republican party and Trumpism is nothing more than a cult.


    http://wwwabcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-challenger-joe-walsh-ends-long-shot-presidential/story%3fid=67499005

    He went on, "That was crystal clear to me this week when I stood in front of 3,000 Iowa Republicans and was booed and jeered at for saying we deserve a president who is honest, decent and puts the country first. The Republican party has become a cult."


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    #4944
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    FreeThePants wrote: »
    Joe Walsh is the latest former Republican to say what others have been for years: the Republican party and Trumpism is nothing more than a cult.


    http://wwwabcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-challenger-joe-walsh-ends-long-shot-presidential/story%3fid=67499005

    He went on, "That was crystal clear to me this week when I stood in front of 3,000 Iowa Republicans and was booed and jeered at for saying we deserve a president who is honest, decent and puts the country first. The Republican party has become a cult."
    Loved him in the Eagles. :p

    So Walsh now says he’d support a socialist over Trump? Well, isn’t that special. I’m confident he might get a dozen or two republicans to follow suit.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4945
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,804 ✭✭✭take everything


    The whole Trump phenomenon reminds me nothing more than a father figure hated by rebellious children.

    You either "get" Trump and what he's about or you're one of the rebellious kids, who eventually mostly grow up and admire their old man and realise yeah he's probably right about a lot of things.

    Although a lot of people nowadays never leave that rebellious phase


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    #4946
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,460 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Loved him in the Eagles. :p

    So Walsh now says he’d support a socialist over Trump? Well, isn’t that special. I’m confident he might get a dozen or two republicans to follow suit.

    Vindeman fired.

    So here we now see Trumps childish behaviour come to the forefront, he wants to be surrounded by yes people and nothing less will do.

    All hail dear leader.


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    #4947
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Vindeman fired.

    So here we now see Trumps childish behaviour come to the forefront, he wants to be surrounded by yes people and nothing less will do.

    All hail dear leader.
    A president can't expect to have members of his administration who are loyal?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4948
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,460 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    A president can't expect to have members of his administration who are loyal?

    They told the truth, they did exactly what they promised to do when they took their oath of office. Trump has had a childish hissy fit because they refused to lie for him.


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    #4949
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    They told the truth, they did exactly what they promised to do when they took their oath of office. Trump has had a childish hissy fit because they refused to lie for him.
    His testimony only hurt the Democrats case, who called him as a key witness. But he and his brother, who was also escorted out of the White House, seemed to be part of the deep state that cared more about resisting Trump than national security. It is alleged that his brother was the one who illegally leaked Bolton’s book to the NY Times.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4950
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,460 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    His testimony only hurt the Democrats case, who called him as a key witness. But he and his brother, who was also escorted out of the White House, seemed to be part of the deep state that cared more about resisting Trump than national security. It is alleged that his brother was the one who illegally leaked Bolton’s book to the NY Times.

    Ah would you ever stop with this nonsense! I know this is probably a strange idea to you but maybe they just had traits such as honour, integrity, and loyalty to the American people. Maybe they cherish the US constitution, the constitution that they swore to uphold and defend when they took office.

    Pity your hero Trump doesn't hold such values.


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    #4951
    FreeThePants
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭FreeThePants


    notobtuse wrote: »
    A president can't expect to have members of his administration who will break the law for him when told, and who will cover up illegalities?

    No, of course they shouldn't. Obviously.

    You are mixing up the duties of those who work for cult leaders with those who work for a state.


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