General Election TV debates

theballz · 05-02-2020 01:08AM

shenanagans wrote: »

They were poor. Looks bad for UCD. For girl blabbed on about issues not discussed rather than giving her opinion on what was in the debate. Last girl simply stated "Mary Lou was best"... Without an explanation as to why she thought ML was winner.

They haven’t a clue. It’s frightening.

suicide_circus · 05-02-2020 01:08AM

i think Mary Lou looked emotional and rattled on occasion and continued to be very weak on detail.

i also think its too late in the day for this debate to have any impact.

easypazz · 05-02-2020 01:08AM

Jizique wrote: »

The McConville family must be upset that they are no longer mentioned in the debates

Gerry McCabe also seems to be no longer mentioned.

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 01:09AM

jos28 wrote: »

I think the strategy of allowing MLM to participate went exactly as MM and LV hoped it would. She was playing well out of her league. She can talk the talk (Trump/Farage style) but she can't walk the walk. Her populist, soundbite approach was exposed as shallow and one dimensional.
Excruciating to watch her squirm on the SCC and Paul Flynn questions, she didn't do herself any favours on climate change either.

She made us think that we might have been a bit harsh on our assessment of Gerry Adams ability !

JohnnyFlash · 05-02-2020 01:10AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2020/2020/0204/1113209-prime-time-debate/

The usual perceptive analysis of all matters political from Mícheál Lehane.

“When the debate moved on to Brexit, Micheál Martin was asked about the experience his perspective team would have on the EU stage if he was Taoiseach.

He struggled briefly before mentioning the wisdom acquired by Éamon Ó Cuiv and Brendan Smith.

Leo Varadkar pointedly and disapprovingly nodded in silence as he listened.

But generally the Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael leaders matched each other punch-for-punch in what was an accomplished performance by both of them.

Mary Lou McDonald did connect with several jabs but she was the one who exited the studio having endured one extremely difficult moment.”

Mushy · 05-02-2020 01:11AM

MLM wasnt classed as the winner, nobody was. Rte one said nothing has changed, MLM still out in front. Bit of a difference, didnt really answer the question ironically

Edgware · 05-02-2020 01:11AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

i think Mary Lou looked emotional and rattled on occasion and continued to be very weak on detail.

i also think its too late in the day for this debate to have any impact.

Still a high percentage of undecided

Hamsterchops · 05-02-2020 01:13AM

theballz wrote: »

As a student of UCD myself please take their opinion with a grain of salt.

If they had a paper cut out of Eamon Ryan on tonight’s debate they would probably claim he won.

Isn't that a pinch of salt & (a grain of sand).

It's almost like the "in thing" is for students to like & to vote for Sinn Fein, it's the trend, it's the fashion, it's what all their mates are doing unless they're voting Green ( who are Sinn Fein vote friendly anyway), win win for Sinn Fein whatever happens.

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 01:13AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was the only question asked that one person had an opinion on. Earlier in the campaign MM was delighted to throw this stuff up...but has found himself two points down on SF and only two ahead of FG.

There is your reason they had no appetite tonight.

Miriam even made the slip on the SCC, saying...Mary Lou please answer the question 'because we want to get on to the important issues affecting people.'

They know this stuff, 'SF being a threat to the state' is no longer relevant.

So that's a no then. No it wasn't the only question asked that one person had an opinion on. Both Leo varadkar and Michael Martin were asked about named members of their party. An opinion poll isn't a vote Francie.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 01:15AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

You're stooping to a new low. Mrs Quinn did not regard it as " pointless " when she spoke on drive time yesterday evening.

Mrs Quinn was contacted because Lynn Boylan said on Sunday morning that 'people are fed up with victims being exploited' and Brendan O'Connor taking umbrage because she said it.

Paul Quinn, brutal and terrible as his murder was, is being used in this election, like Jean McConville is routinely, like Maria Cahill was etc etc. If SF represent a threat to this state then they are a threat to this state in any capacity, national or local. The electorate are having their say and at the moment they are more popular than FG and FF.

It is time to be honest about this and time to stop using victims.

charlie14 · 05-02-2020 01:16AM

Edgware wrote: »

Still a high percentage of undecided

Just noticed today that the last poll had the undecided at 17%.

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 01:16AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

i think Mary Lou looked emotional and rattled on occasion and continued to be very weak on detail.

i also think its too late in the day for this debate to have any impact.

I agree it may not make a hug impact but given that the numbers are so close it might(stress might) tip a few seats away from SF and that might might a big difference. FF and FG might pip them to the post for a few seats.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 05-02-2020 01:16AM

Getting sick of Mary Lou. When can she be declared, as her pals may phrase it, a "legitimate target"?

suicide_circus · 05-02-2020 01:16AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mrs Quinn was contacted because Lynn Boylan said on Sunday morning that 'people are fed up with victims being exploited' and Brendan O'Connor taking umbrage because she said it.

Paul Quinn, brutal and terrible as his murder was, is being used in this election, like Jean McConville is routinely, like Maria Cahill was etc etc. If SF represent a threat to this state then they are a threat to this state in any capacity, national or local. The electorate are having their say and at the moment they are more popular than FG and FF.

It is time to be honest about this and time to stop using victims.

isnt the issue that SF have so many victims associated with their name rather than victims being exploited?

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 01:18AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Just noticed today that the last poll had the undecided at 17%.

Did it ? I must have missed that. 17 % is a nice load of first preference votes still in play then.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 01:19AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mrs Quinn was contacted because Lynn Boylan said on Sunday morning that 'people are fed up with victims being exploited' and Brendan O'Connor taking umbrage because she said it.

Paul Quinn, brutal and terrible as his murder was, is being used in this election, like Jean McConville is routinely, like Maria Cahill was etc etc. If SF represent a threat to this state then they are a threat to this state in any capacity, national or local. The electorate are having their say and at the moment they are more popular than FG and FF.

It is time to be honest about this and time to stop using victims.

They're happy to use Jonathan Corrie, Margaret Cash or Erica Fleming as victims when it suits them.

theballz · 05-02-2020 01:19AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Isn't that a pinch of salt & (a grain of sand).

It's almost like the "in thing" is for students to like & to vote for Sinn Fein, it's the trend, it's the fashion, it's what all their mates are doing unless they're voting Green ( who are Sinn Fein vote friendly anyway), win win for Sinn Fein whatever happens.

The thing is millennials have been targeted when this “change” slogan. Not long ago the privately educated kids of UCD would’ve referred to SF as the “IRA.”

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 01:20AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So that's a no then. No it wasn't the only question asked that one person had an opinion on. Both Leo varadkar and Michael Martin were asked about named members of their party. An opinion poll isn't a vote Francie.

And both of them made an utter balls of answering for their actions there. It might have escaped you but Mary Lou when confronted with the quote was shocked but immediately owned up to it and accepted it. She didn't waffle and explain and excuse.

It was compartmentalised in the debate and tbh I think it will only serve to entrench those who would never vote for her anyway.

rob316 · 05-02-2020 01:20AM

**** Fine Gael. Part of a government who took medical cards from disabled children and I will never ever forget it when they knock on my door.
I look at Martin, all I see is Ahern and Haughey and the next generation of tribunals FF will be involved in.
Sinn Fein aren't a serious party. Fairytale economics and too many headbangers in that party still. I have serious doubts about MLM leadership.

It's amazing there isn't a good alternative it wouldn't even be that difficult such is FG poor performance and FF previous.

JohnnyFlash · 05-02-2020 01:21AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Just noticed today that the last poll had the undecided at 17%.

Extremely perceptive observation, Charlie, and one that hasn’t been discussed in detail due to traditional media having to engage in easy headlines for clicks. Which is a shame, as a democracy needs people to pay for strong and independent journalism.

God bless RTÉ.

Remind me · 05-02-2020 01:21AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mrs Quinn was contacted because Lynn Boylan said on Sunday morning that 'people are fed up with victims being exploited' and Brendan O'Connor taking umbrage because she said it.

Paul Quinn, brutal and terrible as his murder was, is being used in this election, like Jean McConville is routinely, like Maria Cahill was etc etc. If SF represent a threat to this state then they are a threat to this state in any capacity, national or local. The electorate are having their say and at the moment they are more popular than FG and FF.

It is time to be honest about this and time to stop using victims.

Maria Cahill has been canvassing for Joan Burton

um7y1h83ge06nx · 05-02-2020 01:21AM

theballz wrote: »

The thing is millennials have been targeted when this “change” slogan. Not long ago the privately educated kids of UCD would’ve referred to SF as the “IRA.”

So true. Until they graduate and realise having a decent job is a nice thing.

Water John · 05-02-2020 01:22AM

Mary Lou was shocked because she was caught out. Her version yesterday was diff than tonight's. and MOC had the quotes.

suicide_circus · 05-02-2020 01:22AM

theballz wrote: »

The thing is millennials have been targeted when this “change” slogan. Not long ago the privately educated kids of UCD would’ve referred to SF as the “IRA.”

these kids are all born post GFA and havent a breeze what went on

charlie14 · 05-02-2020 01:22AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Did it ? I must have missed that. 17 % is a nice load of first preference votes still in play then.

Very high for so late in the day.
Lot of votes to play for yet.

Mushy · 05-02-2020 01:23AM

rob316 wrote: »

**** Fine Gael. Part of a government who took medical cards from disabled children and I will never ever forget it when they knock on my door.
I look at Martin, all I see is Ahern and Haughey and the next generation of tribunals FF will be involved in.
Sinn Fein aren't a serious party. Fairytale economics and too many headbangers in that party still. I have serious doubts about MLM leadership.

It's amazing there isn't a good alternative it wouldn't even be that difficult such is FG poor performance and FF previous.

This is the most damning of it all. The want for change is understandable, but when SF are the most popular for that change you realise how bad they all are

Hamsterchops · 05-02-2020 01:24AM

Water John wrote: »

Mary Lou was shocked because she was caught out. Her version yesterday was diff than tonight's. and MOC had the quotes.

It was.a real 'Rabbit in the headlights' moment

Nice.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 01:24AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

isnt the issue that SF have so many victims associated with their name rather than victims being exploited?

That's the bull**** the electorate are repudiating.

Mary Lou is now the conniving IRA mastermind? Jaysus.
I remember the hypocrites here on the moral high ground saying 'SF MUST get rid of Adams...to have any chance...etc etc etc.

rob316 · 05-02-2020 01:24AM

Mushy wrote: »

This is the most damning of it all. The want for change is understandable, but when SF are the most popular for that change you realise how bad they all are

Absolute losers the 3 of them.

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 01:24AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And both of them made an utter balls of answering for their actions there. It might have escaped you but Mary Lou when confronted with the quote was shocked but immediately owned up to it and accepted it. She didn't waffle and explain and excuse.

It was compartmentalised in the debate and tbh I think it will only serve to entrench those who would never vote for her anyway.

So whataboutism ?

Fair enough you think Sinn Fein have nothing to answer for and the debate was a flawless outing. Many in this thread disagree. She gave an interview last night it seems and it was at odds with what she said tonight.

General Election TV debates

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