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The case of the racist blackcurrant drink

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  • #242
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm confused, is the racism supposed to be that it was a blackcurrant drink? As in BLACK currant, being the racist part?

    I'm quite confused about this story. What if she got Coke or another black coloured drink, would that also be racist? I'm legitimately unsure what's going on here.


  • #243
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    I just assumed she was saying the hotel was trying to make a fool of her rather than the drink itself implying a racist slur.
    If that's true it's even worse. The wrong drink being given out does happen. Her thinking it was racist made me think there must be some sort of racist connotations (or slur) associated with blackcurrant. And I learned that's what they call black kids.


  • #244
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Why are you giving her the time of day?

    She runs Irelands only black studies course. She is writing the narrative. She cant be ignored.


  • #245
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    Its important to note that:

    1. She tried to reinforce and support the racist attack by stating that her party was exclusively dealt with by a black staff member afterwards, potentially to de-escalate the situation to show the employment of a black staff member to alay any racism accusations by her....really stretching like.

    She also stated that the black staff member did not serve anyone else for 1.5hrs, however, she further hinted to the black staff member as being treated like a slave, kept on the sidelines fom the kitchen to the service space where others (obviously honkeys) brought the food to the customers.

    2. She then encouraged more "Blacks" to ascend on the hotel so the hotel doesnt "win".

    She went full retard and got away with it.

    False accusations of racism should be equally shouted down to genuine accounts of racism, neither is acceptable.


  • #246
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »
    It should be.

    However, there are people here and onnsocial media that don't want to accept the hotels version of events because they cant fathom a mistake like this happening.

    Thats not to say they believe it had racist intent either.

    If it was claimed that "display bottles" only existed in this hotel then maybe I could get on board the racist train.

    However, they do exist and it is plausable that it was used in error. This version of events is much more plausable than a racist attack on this woman.

    Some here label the error of mistaking display bottles as "bizarre". Its not bizarre its plausable.

    The use of cordial instead of wine as a racist attack is in actuality, bizarre.

    The hotel has now been erroniously accused of employing racists, with a kiss my arse apology from the hot headed accuser whose livelihood depends on this type of event....ergo an "agenda" which is quite transparent.

    There are too many free seats on the racist apologist train. At some stage the train will need to evaluate where it is going because the end destination is a world full of clusterfcuk bullsh1t that will water down the abhoration of legitimate racism.
    If a person asks for a red wine in a fancy place like that, they'll say they want a rioja or merlot or malbeck etc, not just "a red wine". And any auld buideal just being picked up would hardly happen.

    I think people here are just raging that not everyone is going "obvious mistake, the bitch!" when they know full well it's weird.

    But I still think people who look for offence everywhere and insult entire countries, especially those where they make their home, are vile. It doesn't have to be just one stance or the other.


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  • #247
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭1641


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Why do you think that?

    Have you never had an order messed up in a pub or restaurant before?

    You are missing the most plausible (by a considerable margin) explanation, i.e. it was not an extraordinary mistake, it was a run of the mill, mundane mistake, which would also likely have happened to at least another punter or 2 on that very day - they just didn't make twats of themselves in response to some imagined slight.

    What i would have done is said "this is not what i ordered" and the situation would have been resolved inside a minute, no doubt whatsoever!


    Of course mistakes happen. Orders get mixed up - I've been on the receiving end and the serving end of such.

    But this one needs some explaining. The most plausible one that comes to mind is that two seperate orders came at the same time - one including a red wine and one including a blackcurrant cordial - and the server then mixed them up. But this demands that the orders happened to come at the same time and that the bartender served up the cordial in a wine glass to a wine glass measure.

    The alternatives proferred seem to be around cordial being stored in a wine bottle "for display purposes", and this display bottle then being left in the serving area. Having worked behind the bar for a number of years I do find this extraordinary. But that is not all. It then requires a bartender (usually not the most inexperienced casual staff) to mistakenly serve out the cordial instead of wine. Again, hard to imagine. Mistakes are more likely to be a white wine for a red wine, etc.

    So maybe something like one of the above happened. But I find it at least as plausible that it was not a mistake but rather a misguided attempt at a pisstake.

    At the same time I am keeping an open mind. But the general consensus throughout this thread is that no open mind is required. In fact at one point I thought there was going to be a collective orgasm of delight at this woman's discomfort. And there may have been a few premature ejaculations!


  • #248
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Professional whinger.


  • #249
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,046 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Here we have a woman who people don't like because she is a loud-mouthed whiner. She also happens to be black and uses that fact to have an excuse to be a loud-mouthed whiner. I don't know anything about her but I will take that at face value.

    A situation arises where she is served a glass of Ribena or similar blackcurrent drink in a hotel. Based on the fact that we don't like her it is assumed that obviously a genuine mistake was made by the hotel (ie one (possibly part time, temporary) barman).

    An argument that would not be allowed to hold up under any other AH circumstances (display wine bottles of Ribena, cluttering up the counter on a busy evening, contravening all sorts of h&s rules) is accepted as fact, because we don't like this woman so she could not possibly be right about someone having a dig at her colour. Even though we are agreed that if anyone needs a dig made at her, its this person.

    So if Gerry Adams went into a bar and was served shot glass of Irish cream and whiskey along side the Guinness that he ordered, it would obviously be an mistake and not a dig at him? Its an easy mistake to make, no?


  • #250
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    looksee wrote: »
    Here we have a woman who people don't like because she is a loud-mouthed whiner. She also happens to be black and uses that fact to have an excuse to be a loud-mouthed whiner. I don't know anything about her but I will take that at face value.

    A situation arises where she is served a glass of Ribena or similar blackcurrent drink in a hotel. Based on the fact that we don't like her it is assumed that obviously a genuine mistake was made by the hotel (ie one (possibly part time, temporary) barman).

    An argument that would not be allowed to hold up under any other AH circumstances (display wine bottles of Ribena, cluttering up the counter on a busy evening, contravening all sorts of h&s rules) is accepted as fact, because we don't like this woman so she could not possibly be right about someone having a dig at her colour. Even though we are agreed that if anyone needs a dig made at her, its this person.

    So if Gerry Adams went into a bar and was served shot glass of Irish cream and whiskey along side the Guinness that he ordered, it would obviously be an mistake and not a dig at him? Its an easy mistake to make, no?

    You should speak for yourself and not make assumptions about "we".


  • #251
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Haven't read the whole thread but I just had to roll my eyes at this.

    I would have simply assumed that a drink that had been ordered for another table was delivered to my table by mistake, no big deal. I'd have called the server and asked for the correct drink and got on with my day.

    As an aside, I've been in the company of women who have ordered non-alcoholic drinks and asked for them to be poured in wine or highball glasses - usually because they are in the early stages of pregnancy and don't want anyone to know they're not drinking! ;)


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  • #252
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    looksee wrote: »
    Here we have a woman who people don't like because she is a loud-mouthed whiner. She also happens to be black and uses that fact to have an excuse to be a loud-mouthed whiner. I don't know anything about her but I will take that at face value.

    A situation arises where she is served a glass of Ribena or similar blackcurrent drink in a hotel. Based on the fact that we don't like her it is assumed that obviously a genuine mistake was made by the hotel (ie one (possibly part time, temporary) barman).

    An argument that would not be allowed to hold up under any other AH circumstances (display wine bottles of Ribena, cluttering up the counter on a busy evening, contravening all sorts of h&s rules) is accepted as fact, because we don't like this woman so she could not possibly be right about someone having a dig at her colour. Even though we are agreed that if anyone needs a dig made at her, its this person.

    So if Gerry Adams went into a bar and was served shot glass of Irish cream and whiskey along side the Guinness that he ordered, it would obviously be an mistake and not a dig at him? Its an easy mistake to make, no?

    What?

    I'm all for lateral thinking, but this is mental. Maybe they are sexist and not racist? Maybe they thought she was a TERF?

    Maybe if you are in fact a racist you should get your message across more clearly than substituting a random drink in a food order.


  • #253
    MMXX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭MMXX


    looksee wrote: »
    So if Gerry Adams went into a bar and was served shot glass of Irish cream and whiskey along side the Guinness that he ordered, it would obviously be an mistake and not a dig at him? Its an easy mistake to make, no?

    That certainly would not be a dig. It would be a very generous gesture, and one that I am sure Gerry would appreciate.

    I know I certainly would.


  • #254
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭1641


    [QUOTE=sbsquarepants;112143211
    I once ordered a southern comfort and got a cranberry juice - was there a hidden insult. Do i need to go straight back today and burn the place to the ground? (It happened about 10 years ago mind, but i don't like to let shít like that slide:D)[/QUOTE]


    Perhaps you are being just a teeny bit disingenuous there. If , say, you were in an English hotel and ordered lasange but were instead served spuds and buttermilk - would you be as quick to attribute it to a mistake?


  • #255
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    To a man with a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.


  • #256
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Is it any wonder though that we have such a nation of racists when Ribena is openly marketed and aimed at kids? Of course they grow up freely using the 'b' word and thinking b***kcurrant is an acceptable term in this day and age.
    You will still even see grown adults ordering a Guinness with a dash of b***k current. Talk about b***k on top of b***k. How much b*****r than that can you get? The answer is none more b***k. Its appalling.


  • #257
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    If a person asks for a red wine in a fancy place like that, they'll say they want a rioja or merlot or malbeck etc, not just "a red wine". And any auld buideal just being picked up would hardly happen.

    I think people here are just raging that not everyone is going "obvious mistake, the bitch!" when they know full well it's weird.

    But I still think people who look for offence everywhere and insult entire countries, especially those where they make their home, are vile. It doesn't have to be just one stance or the other.

    It may be "weird" to some people but that doesnt indicate racism. We have people here who have said they mistook or know people who have mistook the display wine for real wine. So it obviously does happen.

    Your point about ordering a specific wine is nonsense. Is it impossible for a display bottle of red wine to be in a genuine rioja, merlot or malbeck bottle? No, its not impossible.

    If she did ask for a specific red wine, she would have stated so and in my opinion this would have made her version more plausable but thats not what she claimed happened.

    Anyway, we all have differing viewpoints but I think people are raging that false accusations of casual racism should not be let away with.

    It is even more annoying when this person has a lot to gain from the situation as she is employed in this area. She is taking advantage of a business that fcuked up and leaving a stigma which may negatively effect its future reputation for her immediate gain.

    This should not have happened at all but racism is doubtful.


  • #258
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Is it any wonder though that we have such a nation of racists when Ribena is openly marketed and aimed at kids? Of course they grow up freely using the 'b' word and thinking b***kcurrant is an acceptable term in this day and age.
    You will still even see grown adults ordering a Guinness with a dash of b***k current. Talk about b***k on top of b***k. How much b*****r than that can you get? The answer is none more b***k. Its appalling.

    Blackcurrant is actually really, really,really, really,really, really,really, really,really, really,really, really,really, really,really, really,really, really,really, really, dark blue. Like a priests socks.


  • #259
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,696 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    But when you put water into Ribena, it is red in colour.
    I think its more likely they were being racist to eskimos if anything...... Or not.
    I am glad it didn't snow this Christmas. We have enough snowflakes here already.


  • #260
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    MMXX wrote: »
    That certainly would not be a dig. It would be a very generous gesture, and one that I am sure Gerry would appreciate.

    I know I certainly would.

    Gerry would appreciate if you wouldn't use the word dig, in any conversation regarding him


  • #261
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Can someone explain the correlation between the blackcurrant and racism?


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  • #262
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Agustin Hundreds Celery wrote: »
    Can someone explain the correlation between the B***Kcurrant and racism?

    The answer is in the question.


  • #263
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    The answer is in the question.

    Is that it, because the word black is in the name? I thought it was something like in the states where there is a stereotype that black people eat alot of chicken and watermelon but this is just ridiculous.


  • #264
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    looksee wrote: »
    Here we have a woman who people don't like because she is a loud-mouthed whiner. She also happens to be black and uses that fact to have an excuse to be a loud-mouthed whiner. I don't know anything about her but I will take that at face value.

    A situation arises where she is served a glass of Ribena or similar blackcurrent drink in a hotel. Based on the fact that we don't like her it is assumed that obviously a genuine mistake was made by the hotel (ie one (possibly part time, temporary) barman).

    An argument that would not be allowed to hold up under any other AH circumstances (display wine bottles of Ribena, cluttering up the counter on a busy evening, contravening all sorts of h&s rules) is accepted as fact, because we don't like this woman so she could not possibly be right about someone having a dig at her colour. Even though we are agreed that if anyone needs a dig made at her, its this person.

    So if Gerry Adams went into a bar and was served shot glass of Irish cream and whiskey along side the Guinness that he ordered, it would obviously be an mistake and not a dig at him? Its an easy mistake to make, no?

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  • #265
    debok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 814 ✭✭✭debok


    I find a lot if people that shout about racism are in fact racist themselves because all they think about us races.
    Like to me if your **** your a **** doesn't matter what colour ya are


  • #266
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    i still cant believe that this thread isnt about the kia-ora ads from the 1980s


    now *that* was some racist ****


  • #267
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    People like this woman do harm to the stopping racism movement.


  • #268
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,365 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    To a man with a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

    Profound.


  • #269
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    If a person asks for a red wine in a fancy place like that, they'll say they want a rioja or merlot or malbeck etc, not just "a red wine". And any auld buideal just being picked up would hardly happen.

    She ordered a glass of house red. Nothing specific, a glass not a bottle. Says so herself.


  • #270
    katiek102010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭katiek102010


    She is now claiming AGS we wrong for attending the Red Cow last night and they caused it by so many being there.

    She's a gowl


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  • #271
    Earthhorse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The reason most of us never encounter weird mistakes is they are rare - and the reason many of us do not hear anecdotes about weird mistakes is most of the time the victim of the error does not try to make a fuss about it, they let it go, and they move on with their lives without thinking it worthy of mention.

    ...

    Not sure it is contentious - just an odd use of language. When you said "an unlikely incident to occur" that seems accurate. That does not make it "bizarre" though. Unlikely things happen often and are not bizarre.

    Honestly, it feels like you're being quite pedantic here. You yourself describe the situation as weird but then take issue with my describing it as bizarre. You were right the first time though; it is weird. It is unusual. It is strange. It is bizarre. These words are basically synonyms unless you want to reach dictionary definition levels of hair splitting which I hope you don't.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    For example - how many people have won the lotto jackpot? The odds last time I heard were 1 in 10 million to win it. Statistically almost no one seems to win or know someone who has won. It is a rare event. When it happens however it is not "bizarre". Just rare.

    The odds of an individual line or ticket might be one in ten million but the odds of someone winning are contingent on the number of permutations covered by ticket purchases for that draw. So it isn't rare that someone wins the Lotto at all though it may be rare enough to know a winner yourself.

    You sort of cut out the part in my post where I talk about not only my own experience, but the vicarious experience of people I know and of those who work in the hostelry trade. If this is an "easy" mistake to make, given the number of pubs, hotels and restaurants in Ireland the rate at which we frequent them I would have expected to hear of such an incident prior to this. But if it is such a rare event that none of us have encountered it before then it isn't an easy mistake to make.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Under both of those I will not suspect foul play or ill intention until such time as foul play or ill intention is evidenced. Trial by social media is no trial at all. Worse than mob rule.

    True. But the problem I have is with people being convinced they know what happened based on so little information. All we know is a really unusual event occurred. There are competing explanations for them; but some posters are absolutely convinced they know what happened and unwillingly to admit the other explanation is possible. I find such certainty in the light of little facts kinda worrying, particularly when it's such a trivial mistake.
    Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Some here label the error of mistaking display bottles as "bizarre". Its not bizarre its plausable.

    The use of cordial instead of wine as a racist attack is in actuality, bizarre.

    Actually, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who labeled it as bizarre (though I may be mistaken) but perhaps I should clarify. I find the situation bizarre.

    We've all received drinks we didn't order, or not received drinks we did or been charged erroneously for something on the bill etc. But although I've received the wrong drink on occasion I've never received the wrong drink in the right glass. Never been served Guinness in a brandy glass or 7up in a teacup. If I had been I would have found it bizarre.

    For the record, I find both explanations implausible (though obviously one of them, or some variant of one of them, is true).


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