* Motors chat - round 12 *

wotzgoingon · 29-06-2019 6:53pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

I'd pick the EK. EP3 & DC5 are nowhere near as much fun as an EK9 or DC2 to drive.

I always wanted a DC2 came close a while ago but it was a SiR and not Type R so let it go.

Toyotafanboi · 29-06-2019 8:05pm

Waiting for my insurance renewal in the post any day now. Just done an online quote with liberty, €435 fully comp, driving a dull car isn't all bad

vintagevrs · 29-06-2019 10:13pm

Why are you looking to change car cip? If it's for more power I don't think buying a new/ish hot hatch is a great idea as I think you'll either get bored of it, or fed up with the fuel bill in a year's time. Ask me how I know....

Problem you'll face then is the same problem you're seeing now which is painful high depreciation, easily 10 plus grand in a year.

The car you have now is great as you say. It's fresh, economical and refined with plenty of tech.

The thing to do here is keep the A4 as the daily and buy something fun if you want something else from driving, whatever that is to you. You could buy an mx5, integra, civic, beat, E36/46 M3, E39 M5, s2000, Clio sport, Mégane sport, type r, Impreza, Evo, MK2, e30, Capri, robin reliant....whatever tickles you. All of those have zero depreciation, none what so ever. Buy it, drive it, if it doesn't work out then sell it with nothing lost. Reliability doesn't matter as it's your 2nd car. Driving a 300bhp modern car is boring. You'll get used to it after a week. It's great having the power and handy at times, but it's not exciting. (All imo of course)

CIP4 · 29-06-2019 10:37pm

vintagevrs wrote: »

Why are you looking to change car cip? If it's for more power I don't think buying a new/ish hot hatch is a great idea as I think you'll either get bored of it, or fed up with the fuel bill in a year's time. Ask me how I know....

Problem you'll face then is the same problem you're seeing now which is painful high depreciation, easily 10 plus grand in a year.

The car you have now is great as you say. It's fresh, economical and refined with plenty of tech.

The thing to do here is keep the A4 as the daily and buy something fun if you want something else from driving, whatever that is to you. You could buy an mx5, integra, civic, beat, E36/46 M3, E39 M5, s2000, Clio sport, Mégane sport, type r, Impreza, Evo, MK2, e30, Capri, robin reliant....whatever tickles you. All of those have zero depreciation, none what so ever. Buy it drive, doesn't work out then sell it with nothing lost. Reliability doesn't matter as it's your 2nd car. Driving a 300bhp modern car is boring. You'll get used to it after a week. It's great having the power and handy at times, but it's not exciting. (All imo of course)

Yes what you are saying makes sense. Its something I have been thinking off alright that I am being badly hit by depreciation currently trying to trade and if I buy one of these hot hatches and get sick of it after a year I will be back in the same position with depreciation in a year if not worse than currently.

I can think of a few examples of people who went down a path of constantly changing cars getting more expensive each time and they then looked back after 10-15 years and had spent an absolute scary amount of money on cars I swore I would never be like that but seem to be starting to head down that path. As I have said before just because you can afford a new car doesn't make it a good buy.

There are a lot of good performance cars out there for 5k that would make great second cars.

punisher5112 · 29-06-2019 11:12pm

I'm stuck with a ****box Mégane I wants more powr, can't afford change... Then car is badly damaged after crash too.

colm_mcm · 29-06-2019 11:20pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Waiting for my insurance renewal in the post any day now. Just done an online quote with liberty, €435 fully comp, driving a dull car isn't all bad

Jesus, there’s no justice.

30-06-2019 8:13am

Dunno how much dealers are offering you CIP but when my dad was car shopping recently I saw this.... Yours is a year older?

I think you're mad to go Golf Gti....you reckoned yourself you wanted something mad and that a gti wouldn't cut the mustard...then seemed to be going gti as it's an all rounder.

A golf is a step down from an A4 in many ways...a gti is still a Golf.

And....if you get 40k kms from front tyres on a turbo petrol A4 that does go well enough I'm thinking you aren't really into sinking the shoe TBH.

You can go to the track etc as you did recently whenever suits really :cool:

CIP4 · 30-06-2019 8:39am

Augeo wrote: »

Dunno how much dealers are offering you CIP but when my dad was car shopping recently I saw this.... Yours is a year older?

I think you're mad to go Golf Gti....you reckoned yourself you wanted something mad and that a gti wouldn't cut the mustard...then seemed to be going gti as it's an all rounder.

A golf is a step down from an A4 in many ways...a gti is still a Golf.

And....if you get 40k kms from front tyres on a turbo petrol A4 that does go well enough I'm thinking you aren't really into sinking the shoe TBH.

You can go to the track etc as you did recently whenever suits really :cool:

Yes the worst I got was 19k the best was 22k (against new cars). See I suppose that’s what I am competing against even though in a way there is no comparison with mine that one is an English one sport is a kind of mid spec one B9 was actually worse spec than Irish ones. Mine is an S-line spec which had about 7k worth of factory options. The one you linked doesn’t even have a colored driver display which all the Irish ones had. The seats are also terrible in the English ones.

But one of the issues I reckon with the price of my one is all these ‘cheap’ low spec English ones have been brought in and my car is now forced to compete with them as we all know dealers don’t pay for extras.

30-06-2019 8:53am

I hear you about the spec but at a high level...

171 1.4t petrol manual a4
16? 1.4t petrol manual a4

The is300h my ole lad bought was about 2 or 3k less then the sport ones with that had less miles but he didn't care...you do get what you pay for but you said it yourself about spec and dealers. 7k new extras aren't overly going to impact trade in price unfortunately.

To be fair you didn't pay a 7k premium for them either, I hope.

colm_mcm · 30-06-2019 8:56am

Just keep it and remap the hole off it.

CIP4 · 30-06-2019 8:58am

Augeo wrote: »

I hear you about the spec but at a high level...

171 1.4t petrol manual a4
16? 1.4t petrol manual a4

The is300h my ole lad bought was about 2 or 3k less then the sport ones with that had less miles but he didn't care...you do get what you pay for but you said it yourself about spec and dealers. 7k new extras aren't overly going to impact trade in price unfortunately.

To be fair you didn't pay a 7k premium for them either, I hope.

It’s a 161. But yes get what your saying I didn’t pay the extra for them. Ah no the fact I have been to quite a few dealers at this point and the trade ins are reasonably consistent would tell me that’s all the car is worth well on a trade in.

Might just bring the A4 to the ring to fcuk save the money :pac:

30-06-2019 9:04am

Well you couldn't bring it to a track but you can Avis rent a 911 for 1k for a weekend in Munich :cool:

vintagevrs · 30-06-2019 9:29am

Out of interest, what spec is on yours?

CIP4 · 30-06-2019 9:35am

vintagevrs wrote: »

Out of interest, what spec is on yours?

Well with the price of Audi extras they add up quickly but these are the factory extras it has:

MMI Nav plus with touch track pad and larger display
Virtual cockpit
Upgraded S-Line flat bottomed steering wheel
Storage pack
Electric folding mirrors (€550 option I have never actually seen another B9 with them)
Daytona grey pearl effect paint
Audi drive select
High beam assist

I feel like I am forgetting something else but that’s basically it.

30-06-2019 9:52am

Mmmmm.....uninspiring enough really for 7k

CIP4 · 30-06-2019 9:59am

Augeo wrote: »

Mmmmm.....uninspiring enough really for 7k

Well it is an A4 don’t think anyone would spec anything too mad on it. The S-Line spec has a few nice extras you wouldn’t see on other VAG cars pointless ones but nice all the same.

vintagevrs · 30-06-2019 10:00am

Yeah I'd say the steering wheel, extra storage, paint, hba, drive select all add zero to the trade in. The flashy cockpit and infotainment probably helps though as it's the first thing a potential buyer sees and probably adds a bit of a woah factor for people that didn't know about it. Dealers though will price it on engine, gearbox, year, milage and trim level.

bazz26 · 30-06-2019 11:02am

Dealers will always price your trade-in low, they won't give you money for any extras and tell they don't add any value. They will then sell it on high though to illustrate the extras over other "lesser" spec models. Maximising profit is their whole business model.

wotzgoingon · 30-06-2019 1:13pm

I see the new Supra makes more power than advertised. Some of you may have heard this already but I didn't as I wasn't really following it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60cxIFwHJNU

Wailin · 30-06-2019 2:15pm

Christ, that presenter, whoever he is, is a bit of a knob.

CIP4 · 30-06-2019 2:32pm

bazz26 wrote: »

Dealers will always price your trade-in low, they won't give you money for any extras and tell they don't add any value. They will then sell it on high though to illustrate the extras over other "lesser" spec models. Maximising profit is their whole business model.

I think I did get that from a few one was even like yes we can't give anything for the extras on your car then I was like the price on X car is a little strong compared to others then I got yes but there are a lot of extras on that car :pac:

Or I also love when they want to talk about everything in terms of monthly repayment figures and just through loads out in an aim to confuse those who aren't the best at maths. The sad thing is there are probably some people when the say oh that will cost you €300 per month over 5 years actually but the car there and then never actually working out the loan interest or cost to change trade in offered etc.

One salesman was even a bit upset I wasn't taking out a 5 year hp loan or PCP. I never even mentioned finance to him at any point and they just started quoting all figures based on a 5 year hp loan.

wotzgoingon · 30-06-2019 2:47pm

Wailin wrote: »

Christ, that presenter, whoever he is, is a bit of a knob.

He is not the worst. 2 million plus subscribers so must be doing something right.

colm_mcm · 30-06-2019 5:08pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

He is not the worst. 2 million plus subscribers so must be doing something right.

He went through a phase of not putting on that stupid voice.

selectamatic · 30-06-2019 6:17pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Off topic completely but I seen a video of that Chris lad from Cork. Seems he owns a EP3 now as the last time I seen a video of him he was in a ek9. I wonder which he prefers.

He had a mivec colt after the ek9 too.

iirc his ek9 was broken into at some point and he sold it not long after that.

As for the type r debate what ya want is a eg, ek or dc2 with a k series engine.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 30-06-2019 7:03pm

On the Android store, app called car scanner ELM obd2

Seems to do a decent job, seems to be able to find more than torque !

Was able to pull up a warning message on my car that torque couldn't. Where others think only Volvo dealer software would work for

Basically the lad who serviced my car threw too much oil into her , so no big deal, not an engine light but is a message on dash (like door open, etc)

So good app I think

Also has a deep scan function that seems to go deep into the roots of the car ! Takes ages though

GustavoFring · 30-06-2019 9:28pm

CIP4 wrote: »

I think I did get that from a few one was even like yes we can't give anything for the extras on your car then I was like the price on X car is a little strong compared to others then I got yes but there are a lot of extras on that car :pac:

Or I also love when they want to talk about everything in terms of monthly repayment figures and just through loads out in an aim to confuse those who aren't the best at maths. The sad thing is there are probably some people when the say oh that will cost you €300 per month over 5 years actually but the car there and then never actually working out the loan interest or cost to change trade in offered etc.

One salesman was even a bit upset I wasn't taking out a 5 year hp loan or PCP. I never even mentioned finance to him at any point and they just started quoting all figures based on a 5 year hp loan.

Throw a thread up in buying CIP, be much easier.

Plenty of lads here have a genuine interest in helping you out so it's worth it...smell a test drive meet:D

CIP4 · 30-06-2019 9:43pm

GustavoFring wrote: »

Throw a thread up in buying CIP, be much easier.

Plenty of lads here have a genuine interest in helping you out so it's worth it...smell a test drive meet:D

Yes I had one on buying a second weekend car and everyone said I was mad :pac:

Yes no I need to think about what I am going to do on the whole thing. As I was planning on buying a house mid next year. But if going down the second weekend car route would wait till maybe I have a house got where I can store it. Plus banks might look at it as being a bit weird having two cars and paying two insurances etc.

James Bond Junior · 30-06-2019 9:53pm

CIP4 wrote: »

Yes I had one on buying a second weekend car and everyone said I was mad :pac:

Yes no I need to think about what I am going to do on the whole thing. As I was planning on buying a house mid next year. But if going down the second weekend car route would wait till maybe I have a house got where I can store it. Plus banks might look at it as being a bit weird having two cars and paying two insurances etc.

If you are buying a house next year, keep that A4 under your arse. I had to get rid of the nice car to buy a house and I am only now, 4 years later in the position to buy a nice car again. That said I did buy the 2nd car so I probably put the nice car on hold a little longer than I thought.

Do you mind me asking CIP, are you paying rent and bills at the moment? Because if you are and can afford the new car, great but be wary because the banks will only lend based on what you have left after being stressed tested and car repayments can effect that hugely. In my opinion your twenties are the time to save and put things in place to make sure you are in a good place later on, not to throw 10s of 1000s into depreciation. Nothing wrong with that but I did the house buying thing at 27/28 and am in a far better off position than my buddies trying to buy now in our 30s.

CIP4 · 30-06-2019 10:14pm

James Bond Junior wrote: »

If you are buying a house next year, keep that A4 under your arse. I had to get rid of the nice car to buy a house and I am only now, 4 years later in the position to buy a nice car again. That said I did buy the 2nd car so I probably put the nice car on hold a little longer than I thought.

Do you mind me asking CIP, are you paying rent and bills at the moment? Because if you are and can afford the new car, great but be wary because the banks will only lend based on what you have left after being stressed tested and car repayments can effect that hugely. In my opinion your twenties are the time to save and put things in place to make sure you are in a good place later on, not to throw 10s of 1000s into depreciation. Nothing wrong with that but I did the house buying thing at 27/28 and am in a far better off position than my buddies trying to buy now in our 30s.

Agree with what your saying. Yes I pay bills and rent but it’s Kilkenny so nothing compared to Dublin rates. Now I have kind of convinced myself that the A4 should easily stay reliable for the next few years I am a bit happier to keep it. Would definitely be the better thing to do from a house buying point of view. Plus it’s fully paid for in the next couple of months. As you mentioned a lot of people sold their cars to buy houses so I can’t complain.

Whatever car I would of bought I would of planned to have it paid for before taking out a mortgage which I kind of expected you would have to do especially as a single person going for a mortgage. Only turning 25 though so kind of still feel possibly a bit young to be buying a house. I know I seem like a mess with money but outside of cars I am fairly stable.

I started on a fairly average graduate salary in 2016 and worked hard to get up the ladder (but also had some luck) and landed a fairly decent job early last year. Think I need to go meet with a bank on the whole mortgage thing although I do have a fairly good idea on deposits, stress testing, max borrowing limits etc.

James Bond Junior · 30-06-2019 10:22pm

CIP4 wrote: »

Agree with what your saying. Yes I pay bills and rent but it’s Kilkenny so nothing compared to Dublin rates. Now I have kind of convinced myself that the A4 should easily stay reliable for the next few years I am a bit happier to keep it. Would definitely be the better thing to do from a house buying point of view. Plus it’s fully paid for in the next couple of months. As you mentioned a lot of people sold their cars to buy houses so I can’t complain.

Whatever car I would of bought I would of planned to have it paid for before taking out a mortgage which I kind of expected you would have to do especially as a single person going for a mortgage. Only turning 25 though so kind of still feel possibly a bit young to be buying a house. I know I seem like a mess with money but outside of cars I am fairly stable.

I started on a fairly average graduate salary in 2016 and worked hard to get up the ladder (but also had some luck) and landed a fairly decent job early last year. Think I need to go meet with a bank on the whole mortgage thing although I do have a fairly good idea on deposits, stress testing, max borrowing limits etc.

The feeling of sitting with a cold bottle of beer on your own couch in your own house that you have sweated and toiled for is better than any car. And I say that having driven an M2 and an M4 around Mondello this weekend!!!! You've all your life to enjoy cars, get the basics sorted first and you can spend what you like a little more guilt free.

Marcusm · 01-07-2019 9:00am

CIP4 wrote: »

Agree with what your saying. Yes I pay bills and rent but it’s Kilkenny so nothing compared to Dublin rates. Now I have kind of convinced myself that the A4 should easily stay reliable for the next few years I am a bit happier to keep it. Would definitely be the better thing to do from a house buying point of view. Plus it’s fully paid for in the next couple of months. As you mentioned a lot of people sold their cars to buy houses so I can’t complain.

Whatever car I would of bought I would of planned to have it paid for before taking out a mortgage which I kind of expected you would have to do especially as a single person going for a mortgage. Only turning 25 though so kind of still feel possibly a bit young to be buying a house. I know I seem like a mess with money but outside of cars I am fairly stable.

I started on a fairly average graduate salary in 2016 and worked hard to get up the ladder (but also had some luck) and landed a fairly decent job early last year. Think I need to go meet with a bank on the whole mortgage thing although I do have a fairly good idea on deposits, stress testing, max borrowing limits etc.

Buy a new car if you want to change but worrying about the reliability of a three year old car should not be a serious concern.

01-07-2019 9:18am

I can't understand how someone could be worried about the reliability of a car and then be aghast at being offered €19k trade ins for the same car :pac:

All jokes aside CIP, you reliability concerns about a fresh A4 are really strange ...... especially if you consider you are an engineer of some sort or other iirc.

ELM327 · 01-07-2019 10:16am

James Bond Junior wrote: »

If you are buying a house next year, keep that A4 under your arse. I had to get rid of the nice car to buy a house and I am only now, 4 years later in the position to buy a nice car again. That said I did buy the 2nd car so I probably put the nice car on hold a little longer than I thought.

Do you mind me asking CIP, are you paying rent and bills at the moment? Because if you are and can afford the new car, great but be wary because the banks will only lend based on what you have left after being stressed tested and car repayments can effect that hugely. In my opinion your twenties are the time to save and put things in place to make sure you are in a good place later on, not to throw 10s of 1000s into depreciation. Nothing wrong with that but I did the house buying thing at 27/28 and am in a far better off position than my buddies trying to buy now in our 30s.

+1 on this, I'm in my 30's and am currently doing the mortgage thing for a second time having bought an apartment a couple of years ago.

I got rid of all my nice cars (except a jdm corona that is in storage) to appease the bank... but there is nothing like the feeling of having a crate load of beers on a friday sitting in the back of your vintage pickup looking up at the stars, in a field you own.

You can then buy whatever cars you want and build a garage on your own land to store them. At least thats my reason for moving again. In the last 24 months I've sold a rolls royce, a plymouth, ford f250, couple of peugeots and golfs, 2 bmw 535ds, a nissan leaf and an Ioniq Ev.

bazz26 · 01-07-2019 11:03am

Just bought 4 new Goodyear Eagle F1 RFT tyres online this morning for the 530d. My wallet is GB£690 lighter and the existing ones have 2.5 mm of thread left on them. However prices have been a lot higher over the last few months and they dropped over GB£100 from last week. Wasn't chancing them raising in price again so will store them away until the end of the year. Local prices were just off the scale.

01-07-2019 11:16am

bazz26 wrote: »

............the existing ones have 2.5 mm of thread left on them. ............. will store them away until the end of the year. ............

You get 6 months out of a mm of thread on a 530d?

James Bond Junior · 01-07-2019 11:17am

Augeo wrote: »

You get 6 months out of a mm of thread on a 530d?

Pedantic Pat!

01-07-2019 11:23am

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Pedantic Pat!

Not at all.
Just a query............... the chap commented that there's 2.5mm of thread there so just wondered would that actually last the 6 months to the end of the year.
But cheers for the sentiment

bazz26 · 01-07-2019 12:04pm

Augeo wrote: »

You get 6 months out of a mm of thread on a 530d?

They are on the car 18 months so possibly a little bit longer but I'll change them when I find the car starting to struggle for grip more rather than just waiting for them to to hit the minimum thread depth. I put the foot down when I want/need to but generally I'm not a hard driver.

01-07-2019 12:11pm

Fronts on the Sorento ............ nearly 5mm wear over 40k kms...........
rears.......... just over 3mm wear over 40k kms............ the AWD does seem to shovel drive to the rears more often then I'd expect. Although I had a Ford Edge for a month ish that has a dash display showing when drive was going to the rear and it was indeed surprisingly often.

Swapped around now so at 60k kms I'll replace all 4, that'll be January I expect.

I'd not be heavy footed at all and maybe 33% of my driving is quiet motorway sitting at the limit.

bazz26 · 01-07-2019 12:16pm

My wheels are staggered so swapping back to front is not an option and even if I could the fronts don't have much more on them either. Have insurance renewal coming up later in the year anyway so suits my pocket to get the cost of new tyres out of the way now.

CIP4 · 01-07-2019 6:25pm

Marcusm wrote: »

Buy a new car if you want to change but worrying about the reliability of a three year old car should not be a serious concern.

Augeo wrote: »

I can't understand how someone could be worried about the reliability of a car and then be aghast at being offered €19k trade ins for the same car :pac:

All jokes aside CIP, you reliability concerns about a fresh A4 are really strange ...... especially if you consider you are an engineer of some sort or other iirc.

Well infairness I only had it a few weeks and it needed a full clutch kit so you can't exactly call it 100% reliable in my ownership.

Big Nasty · 01-07-2019 6:28pm

CIP4 wrote: »

Well infairness I only had it a few weeks and it needed a full clutch kit so you can't exactly call it 100% reliable in my ownership.

Clutch is a wear and tear item, although I wouldn't have expected it to go that early. Previous owner must have drove the ring out of it! :eek:

What were you thinking spending €40k on a luxury saloon and getting a manual anyway?

CIP4 · 01-07-2019 6:47pm

Big Nasty wrote: »

Clutch is a wear and tear item, although I wouldn't have expected it to go that early. Previous owner must have drove the ring out of it! :eek:

What were you thinking spending €40k on a luxury saloon and getting a manual anyway?

I didn’t have any interest in Autos back when I bought it only decided I’d like an auto recently after driving them a bit. Some people are just bad for riding clutch on hills and all that kind of stuff. I don’t think it was driven that hard as there was next to no wear on brakes etc.

Big Nasty · 01-07-2019 7:00pm

CIP4 wrote: »

I didn’t have any interest in Autos back when I bought it only decided I’d like an auto recently after driving them a bit. Some people are just bad for riding clutch on hills and all that kind of stuff. I don’t think it was driven that hard as there was next to no wear on brakes etc.

New pads! :pac:

colm_mcm · 01-07-2019 7:55pm

I’d be getting onto them. No excuse for butchering with the prices they charge.

Wailin · 01-07-2019 8:53pm

Am liking these new plates :cool::D

Not to everyone's taste but I do not like the German style plates at all. These are neat and tidy with a sporty look. Really does make a difference to the car with all that dealer nonsense removed.

colm_mcm · 01-07-2019 9:34pm

Have you considered normal plates, would really make it stand out

Wailin · 01-07-2019 10:05pm

Never thought I'd have boy racer plates on any car I owned. But there ya go!

ciarsd · 01-07-2019 10:23pm

Having been round the block over the years with plates, I have to say the standard pressed metal, spaced evenly and keeping things legit are top of the list. Ditching the advert surrounds for bonus points and using some 3M/No more nails double sided tape to fit - perfect.

James Bond Junior · 01-07-2019 10:44pm

ciarsd wrote: »

Having been round the block over the years with plates, I have to say the standard pressed metal, spaced evenly and keeping things legit are top of the list. Ditching the advert surrounds for bonus points and using some 3M/No more nails double sided tape to fit - perfect.

Couldn't agree more.

***** Motors chat - round 12 *****

Comments

* Motors chat - round 12 *