"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

NuMarvel wrote: »

I do remember the show I'm watching. And I've never seen any example of a dragon having the level of intelligence that would make it believable when he decides that the small clump of metal that he's never seen before is the ultimate cause of his grief. Especially when the actual murder weapon is still embedded in his mother's chest, and covered in the scent of the only other person in the room.

The closest we have is a man retelling what he's read other people say. And in fiction, that's not enough.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Where the characters actually ended up is fundementally grand, so my first reaction to the episode was mildly positive, purely because I expected them to make an utter hames of it narratively - pull something utterly absurd out of the bag just for the sake of being shocking.

I can make peace with where the pieces lie on the board as we exit Westeros, but the episode only becomes indescribably more disappointing upon rewatching and on retrospective thinking.

Jon's fate is grand in itself and a fine send off, but the whole Greyworm angle was a bit farcical.

Jon murders the Queen while Greyworm has his hands full butchering prisoners, but the latter for some reason decides to then imprison Jon Snow for murdering his friend, leader and Queen and later accepts him being sent to the Night's Watch as justice....OK.

The episode had some slightly better dialogue in spots compared to preceeding episodes, though "I know a killer when I see one", in the context of everything, is so absurdly bad it almost feels like a cheap inside joke.

Poor Kit Harrington can only do so much given the writers have not had anything remotely intelligent for him to say this entire season.

Emilia Clarke did a very decent job of portraying a disturbingly child-like manic Queen in that final scene to her credit, and the backdrop of Greyworm executing Lannister prisoners as Jon strides in to confront her was a fantastic mood-setter.

The death itself was completely hollow though and carried almost no real emotional weight, though I didn't have too much of an issue with the symbolic melting of the Iron Throne or the questions raised over the level of sentient thinking attributable to dragons.

There is so much wrong with the episode and wider season I just can just accept that without too much critical thinking.

The whole climax of Daenery's journey is just absurdly flat, rushed and poorly handled however.

Hark back to pivotal moments like Ned Stark's beheading, Robb's murder, Joffrey's death, the Mountain crushing the Viper's skull, Tyrion shooting Tywin, Jon facing down Ramsey.

You would imagine that Jon Snow murdering Daenerys Targaryen would inevitably feature in that list, but it doesn't, and it doesn't even come close either. It's just something that happens in a clumsy, unconvincing manner because it needs to and doesn't connect on any level.

Also, Jon also could've somewhat credibly claimed Daenerys melted the Iron Throne and simply flew off on Drogon, but that wouldn't have allowed the 'new world' to develop as the Unsullied and Dothraki would've remained in place awaiting her return, so they had to learn she was dead.

Tyrion discovering the bodies of Jaime and Cersei was so sloppy as to defy belief. In 'The Bells', we see the Red Keep completely collapses on top of them; the finale shows the crypts are not only still entirely intact, but arches, walls and ceilings that we literally saw crumble to dust under the crushing weight of the collapsing keep are magically restored.

That one really angers me; the writers wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted Jaime and Cersei to die in high, dramatic and emotional fashion, but also wanted to provide Tyrion with an element of closure by easily discovering their bodies....while clearly not giving the remotest **** whatsoever about blatant inconsistency.

The means by which Bran came to sit on the throne was almost offensively lazy, utterly daft and completely unearned.

Don't really have an issue with Bran in principle, but that scene almost like bad comedy. Bran becomes King...just because.

The future of Westeros placed in the hands of a crippled boy without as much as a token discussion, not even the faintest facade of plot intelligence, because the writers are in a rush and just want to wrap everything up while expending as little brain power as possible.

Hard to believe this is actually the same show I started watching in 2011.

Yeah, we'll devote 10 minutes to a completely unnecessary scene where Tyrion, for some absurd reason, needs to actually explain to Jon why Daenery's has to go.

It's grand, we'll make up the time by just rushing through the bit where they chose a ruler to ultimately sit on the Iron Throne...you know, the bit these past 8 seasons have been building towards.

Apart from a load of other bits we carefully built up over the same time and then sort of pushed aside because we got tired of spinning so many plates and decided to fling most of them out the window rather than make any effort to set them down.

In the end, absolutely nothing is earned this season - and certainly not in this episode - and pretty much nothing carries any weight as a consequence.

This show used to be about the complex 'game' that everyone, in all walks of life, had to play, no matter what their ultimate objective. This season has been an insult to that premise and what GoT used to be, but this episode is particularly exposed as being utterly braindead when Benioff and Weiss have no major spectacle to mask their scripting.

This episode fails to really connect on any level emotionally and just feels like a box-ticking exercise; an hour the writers devoted to lazily tying up the remaining threads with as little effort as possible once they'd achieved all their big battle set-pieces.

Looking back on the season, 'A Knight of Seven Kingdoms' was a genuinely strong episode and head-and-shoulders above the rest in terms of character interaction and dialogue, tellingly not written by Benioff and Weiss. The only episode I got a true 'Game of Thrones' vibe when watching.

First episode was OK, and without revisiting my thoughts on E3-5, there's no denying that there was tremendous and seriously impressive spectacle on offer at least.

And to think that Benioff and Weiss openly talked about how they hoped the finale would be compared with that of Breaking Bad and go down as one of the best finales in television history. It almost defies belief that they would say such a thing.

As an ending on paper the finale - and the fate determined for most of the characters - is perfectly fine and there's a nice level of closure to it that can often be missing from shows. I like that aspect of it.

It's just executed extremely badly and my impression as we leave Westeros behind us is that I feel like I'm still waiting for the "real" Game of Thrones.

Goes down in my books anyway with the likes of Dexter and Lost for letdowns. It's not a direct comparison before anyone takes issue with parallels being drawn with either.

J. Marston wrote: »

Not sticking around for season 9: Dany's Revenge?

Drogon drops her off at Kinvara over in Essos

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Was it explained why exactly they are going there? So the bould Torgo can find himself another Miss Andy?

And while I'm at it, why was Tyrion messing with the chairs?

facehugger99 wrote: »

Because of his comedy-OCD which was never mentioned before.

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Was it explained why exactly they are going there? So the bould Torgo can find himself another Miss Andy?

namloc1980 wrote: »

Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.

gargargar wrote: »

I think the reason a lot of people are annoyed is due to the fact that the standard of the story was very high but it eventually tailed of into Hollywood territory. Most of the 'good' guys made it out alive, which probably would not have happened in the way the story was being told when based on the books.

Also, for me, I just don't see the anointing of Bran as king. He was a useless b*stard most of the time. I would imagine that the people will not have heard of Bran's story, but certainly Jon Snow's story would be known throughout the kingdoms. The man has fought many battles, he avenged the death of the innocents of KL. So for me it would have made sense for him to be the reluctant king.

All in all it is a great series which never bored me but was a little let down by it's ending.

lawlolawl wrote: »

Tyrion himself had a much better story than Bran.


Bran got carried around by some people and then got turned autistic by a tree.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Let's all take a moment for a musical interlude..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTZ-tC81yA

:P

I had seven faces
Thought I knew which one to wear
I'm sick of spending these lonely nights
Training myself not to care

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I keep seeing this and wondering how it was missed. But I’m pretty sure Tyrion meant Bran has the best story because he has *everyones* stories.

He’s the living embodiment of all living history and people and kings all gone. it’s mistakes and victories all there from the past.

He’s exactly the right person to be king given all that knowledge

Annabella Obnoxious Bayou wrote: »

Wow, so much butthurt in this thread. Like somebody took their last rolo or their rice crispies were soggier than usual this morning. It's like an echo chamber. Is it hip to hate the show now?

There's a lot of people who are not capable of formulating their own opinions and go with whatever reddit says. At least provide an alternative instead of just whinging and crying about it. It's perfectly fine to dislike something, but this thread is a train wreck of copied opinions. Dexter is comparable to GOT? Not even close, they are not even remotely similar.

People are not able to see past the opinions which they are told to have on reddit, facebook, twitter etc.

youreadthat wrote: »

I've made a huge mistake. There is so much subtle depth to season 8, for example Bron reveals that the best brothels have burnt down, meaning the mid-market brothels are likely to get a significant economic boost in the short term. The audience is left to wonder and theorise in classic Thrones style how the master of coin's economic policies will affect the mid-market segment in the mid to long term.

Also Drogon appears behind Dany to give her the appearance of having dragon wings. This is a subtle reference to her Targaryen heritage and her status as "mother of dragons". I may have missed some others, please help me out.