osarusan wrote: » Bran, you must govern because you know us best, all our past, all our failures, all our history.Ok, but you must be my Hand, you must atone, you must redeem yourself. I will do that. /Cut/ /New scene/ok, I'll look for the dragon, you carry on with kingdom-fixing stuff. Bye. Sure, see you later. Hey, did I ever tell the rest of you about when I visited a brothel with a donkey and honeycomb?
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Ok this dude can see the futurehttps://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1120218841399746560?s=21
Shemale wrote: » God its just the worst season of any show EVER. Every episode got worse and worse, the whole season could have been 40 minutes long. Talked about it in work after episode 2 and predicted Denarys would turn into mad queen, wreck the gaf, Jon would kill her and Tyrion would be the King. So pissed off the Tyrion thing didnt happen and not sure why he didn't Bran said "well I am the king" after saying he wanted Tyrion to be king and then Tyron is the hand. WTF, the whole thing was donkey balls.
Shemale wrote: » God its just the worst season of any show EVER.
Brock Turnpike wrote: » I mean it's up to individual people to remember the show they are watching. We were told that dragons are intelligent.
Grayditch wrote: » It was a thousand times better than the best season of Big Bang Theory.
Yermande wrote: » That's two dud HBO finales in 1 week. Veep was crap as well. Another excellent show that couldn't stick the landing.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I liked it. Once I got to grips with the final season going completely nuts and making Jonah a candidate, Veep's potential Trump I enjoyed the last season and that finale.
The Golden Miller wrote: » GOT's was known for shock value. But why did everyone expect that to continue? In hindsight, they killed off what we thought were main characters, they weren't. They had to finish the show with the actual main characters. I've read the books and watched the show. Both decent. Back to reading Lord of the Rings again though
Yermande wrote: » How do you feel about Amazon's upcoming LotR adaptations?
Twenty Grand wrote: » People died, but they died for character driven reasons, not story driven. Ned Stark died because Joffrey was a dick. Rob died because he was losing the war and listened to his dick instead of his advisors. The characters were fantastic and watching them interact with each other was what made the show appealing. Look at Arya and the Hound. Their best scenes had zero plot impact, but major character development impact. The best lines from all characters usually have nothing to do with the story, just observations on life and circumstance. Whenever they strayed into plot driven dialogue things got stale. Dany in Slavers Bay for instance. It was a box ticking exercise of events until she could leave. The last 2 seasons are all plot driven and suffer from it. IMO Sansa and Theon are the best characters of the show purely because they have quite small plot roles , Sansa is a hostage for most of it, Theon has a part at the beginning, but his plot involvement falls away after he takes Winterfell. But they have fully fleshed out character arcs. Every decision they make is true to who they are at the particular point in their development. Every other characters breaks away from this because their decisions are needed to drive a plot and often conflict with the characters own desires and drives.
The Golden Miller wrote: » I agree to an extent, but you need a story ultimately. +1 on Theon though. Best character and best acted character on the show imo
Twenty Grand wrote: » True, you need a balance. IMO the balance was totally wrong. They needed an extra season at least to carry the story to a satisfying close. Shame we didn't get it.
The Golden Miller wrote: » Hard to know. Cautiously optimistic. With Christopher Tolkien out of the way, the franchise will grow tenfold. Will probably be the biggest show of all time upon it's release
Yermande wrote: » I'm glad you enjoyed it. I personally found the overall quality dropped from season 6 onward but I can see why people got a kick out of the change of approach. A big problem for me was the number of characters that spoke the same barbed language. Don't get me wrong, I bloody love how raw and direct it is, but if you listed out a series of quotes right now I couldn't tell who said what. Allowing everyone to run riot actually lessened its impact. Kent actually became one of my favourite characters as a result of that because his profanity-free dialogue made him unique. Anyone that thinks Veep is a watered down version of The Thick of It (I've often heard it said) needs to watch it from start to finish. It takes a lot to shock me but sweet Jesus there's some seriously evil put-downs in it! Anyway, a fantastic series despite my own few reservations.
NuMarvel wrote: » I do remember the show I'm watching. And I've never seen any example of a dragon having the level of intelligence that would make it believable when he decides that the small clump of metal that he's never seen before is the ultimate cause of his grief. Especially when the actual murder weapon is still embedded in his mother's chest, and covered in the scent of the only other person in the room. The closest we have is a man retelling what he's read other people say. And in fiction, that's not enough.
TerrorFirmer wrote: » Where the characters actually ended up is fundementally grand, so my first reaction to the episode was mildly positive, purely because I expected them to make an utter hames of it narratively - pull something utterly absurd out of the bag just for the sake of being shocking. I can make peace with where the pieces lie on the board as we exit Westeros, but the episode only becomes indescribably more disappointing upon rewatching and on retrospective thinking. Jon's fate is grand in itself and a fine send off, but the whole Greyworm angle was a bit farcical. Jon murders the Queen while Greyworm has his hands full butchering prisoners, but the latter for some reason decides to then imprison Jon Snow for murdering his friend, leader and Queen and later accepts him being sent to the Night's Watch as justice....OK. The episode had some slightly better dialogue in spots compared to preceeding episodes, though "I know a killer when I see one", in the context of everything, is so absurdly bad it almost feels like a cheap inside joke. Poor Kit Harrington can only do so much given the writers have not had anything remotely intelligent for him to say this entire season. Emilia Clarke did a very decent job of portraying a disturbingly child-like manic Queen in that final scene to her credit, and the backdrop of Greyworm executing Lannister prisoners as Jon strides in to confront her was a fantastic mood-setter. The death itself was completely hollow though and carried almost no real emotional weight, though I didn't have too much of an issue with the symbolic melting of the Iron Throne or the questions raised over the level of sentient thinking attributable to dragons. There is so much wrong with the episode and wider season I just can just accept that without too much critical thinking. The whole climax of Daenery's journey is just absurdly flat, rushed and poorly handled however. Hark back to pivotal moments like Ned Stark's beheading, Robb's murder, Joffrey's death, the Mountain crushing the Viper's skull, Tyrion shooting Tywin, Jon facing down Ramsey. You would imagine that Jon Snow murdering Daenerys Targaryen would inevitably feature in that list, but it doesn't, and it doesn't even come close either. It's just something that happens in a clumsy, unconvincing manner because it needs to and doesn't connect on any level. Also, Jon also could've somewhat credibly claimed Daenerys melted the Iron Throne and simply flew off on Drogon, but that wouldn't have allowed the 'new world' to develop as the Unsullied and Dothraki would've remained in place awaiting her return, so they had to learn she was dead. Tyrion discovering the bodies of Jaime and Cersei was so sloppy as to defy belief. In 'The Bells', we see the Red Keep completely collapses on top of them; the finale shows the crypts are not only still entirely intact, but arches, walls and ceilings that we literally saw crumble to dust under the crushing weight of the collapsing keep are magically restored. That one really angers me; the writers wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted Jaime and Cersei to die in high, dramatic and emotional fashion, but also wanted to provide Tyrion with an element of closure by easily discovering their bodies....while clearly not giving the remotest **** whatsoever about blatant inconsistency. The means by which Bran came to sit on the throne was almost offensively lazy, utterly daft and completely unearned. Don't really have an issue with Bran in principle, but that scene almost like bad comedy. Bran becomes King...just because. The future of Westeros placed in the hands of a crippled boy without as much as a token discussion, not even the faintest facade of plot intelligence, because the writers are in a rush and just want to wrap everything up while expending as little brain power as possible. Hard to believe this is actually the same show I started watching in 2011. Yeah, we'll devote 10 minutes to a completely unnecessary scene where Tyrion, for some absurd reason, needs to actually explain to Jon why Daenery's has to go. It's grand, we'll make up the time by just rushing through the bit where they chose a ruler to ultimately sit on the Iron Throne...you know, the bit these past 8 seasons have been building towards. Apart from a load of other bits we carefully built up over the same time and then sort of pushed aside because we got tired of spinning so many plates and decided to fling most of them out the window rather than make any effort to set them down. In the end, absolutely nothing is earned this season - and certainly not in this episode - and pretty much nothing carries any weight as a consequence. This show used to be about the complex 'game' that everyone, in all walks of life, had to play, no matter what their ultimate objective. This season has been an insult to that premise and what GoT used to be, but this episode is particularly exposed as being utterly braindead when Benioff and Weiss have no major spectacle to mask their scripting. This episode fails to really connect on any level emotionally and just feels like a box-ticking exercise; an hour the writers devoted to lazily tying up the remaining threads with as little effort as possible once they'd achieved all their big battle set-pieces. Looking back on the season, 'A Knight of Seven Kingdoms' was a genuinely strong episode and head-and-shoulders above the rest in terms of character interaction and dialogue, tellingly not written by Benioff and Weiss. The only episode I got a true 'Game of Thrones' vibe when watching. First episode was OK, and without revisiting my thoughts on E3-5, there's no denying that there was tremendous and seriously impressive spectacle on offer at least. And to think that Benioff and Weiss openly talked about how they hoped the finale would be compared with that of Breaking Bad and go down as one of the best finales in television history. It almost defies belief that they would say such a thing. As an ending on paper the finale - and the fate determined for most of the characters - is perfectly fine and there's a nice level of closure to it that can often be missing from shows. I like that aspect of it. It's just executed extremely badly and my impression as we leave Westeros behind us is that I feel like I'm still waiting for the "real" Game of Thrones. Goes down in my books anyway with the likes of Dexter and Lost for letdowns. It's not a direct comparison before anyone takes issue with parallels being drawn with either.
PressRun wrote: » The dragons actions would require it to understand metaphorical thinking, which is just ridiculous even if they are supposed to be intelligent animals.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Time to unfollow these threads. Goodbye game of thrones. It's been a sad few weeks for you.
J. Marston wrote: » Not sticking around for season 9: Dany's Revenge? Drogon drops her off at Kinvara over in Essos
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