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"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Yermande wrote: »
    How do you feel about Amazon's upcoming LotR adaptations?

    Hard to know. Cautiously optimistic. With Christopher Tolkien out of the way, the franchise will grow tenfold. Will probably be the biggest show of all time upon it's release


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    GOT's was known for shock value. But why did everyone expect that to continue? In hindsight, they killed off what we thought were main characters, they weren't. They had to finish the show with the actual main characters.

    I've read the books and watched the show. Both decent. Back to reading Lord of the Rings again though

    People died, but they died for character driven reasons, not story driven.

    Ned Stark died because Joffrey was a dick.
    Rob died because he was losing the war and listened to his dick instead of his advisors.
    The characters were fantastic and watching them interact with each other was what made the show appealing. Look at Arya and the Hound. Their best scenes had zero plot impact, but major character development impact.
    The best lines from all characters usually have nothing to do with the story, just observations on life and circumstance.

    Whenever they strayed into plot driven dialogue things got stale. Dany in Slavers Bay for instance. It was a box ticking exercise of events until she could leave. The last 2 seasons are all plot driven and suffer from it.

    IMO Sansa and Theon are the best characters of the show purely because they have quite small plot roles , Sansa is a hostage for most of it, Theon has a part at the beginning, but his plot involvement falls away after he takes Winterfell.
    But they have fully fleshed out character arcs. Every decision they make is true to who they are at the particular point in their development.
    Every other characters breaks away from this because their decisions are needed to drive a plot and often conflict with the characters own desires and drives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    People died, but they died for character driven reasons, not story driven.

    Ned Stark died because Joffrey was a dick.
    Rob died because he was losing the war and listened to his dick instead of his advisors.
    The characters were fantastic and watching them interact with each other was what made the show appealing. Look at Arya and the Hound. Their best scenes had zero plot impact, but major character development impact.
    The best lines from all characters usually have nothing to do with the story, just observations on life and circumstance.

    Whenever they strayed into plot driven dialogue things got stale. Dany in Slavers Bay for instance. It was a box ticking exercise of events until she could leave. The last 2 seasons are all plot driven and suffer from it.

    IMO Sansa and Theon are the best characters of the show purely because they have quite small plot roles , Sansa is a hostage for most of it, Theon has a part at the beginning, but his plot involvement falls away after he takes Winterfell.
    But they have fully fleshed out character arcs. Every decision they make is true to who they are at the particular point in their development.
    Every other characters breaks away from this because their decisions are needed to drive a plot and often conflict with the characters own desires and drives.

    I agree to an extent, but you need a story ultimately. +1 on Theon though. Best character and best acted character on the show imo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    I agree to an extent, but you need a story ultimately. +1 on Theon though. Best character and best acted character on the show imo

    True, you need a balance.
    IMO the balance was totally wrong.
    They needed an extra season at least to carry the story to a satisfying close. Shame we didn't get it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    True, you need a balance.
    IMO the balance was totally wrong.
    They needed an extra season at least to carry the story to a satisfying close. Shame we didn't get it.

    Even worse, considering HBO made the funds available to let them do 10 episode seasons.

    If the story we got was ultimately GRRM's envisioned story, or close enough, in hindsight it was a weak enough story


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 115 ✭✭Yermande


    Hard to know. Cautiously optimistic. With Christopher Tolkien out of the way, the franchise will grow tenfold. Will probably be the biggest show of all time upon it's release

    Yeah I'm pretty much the same. I enjoyed the Jackson trilogy but I don't think it's too soon for a revisit.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yermande wrote: »
    I'm glad you enjoyed it. I personally found the overall quality dropped from season 6 onward but I can see why people got a kick out of the change of approach.

    A big problem for me was the number of characters that spoke the same barbed language. Don't get me wrong, I bloody love how raw and direct it is, but if you listed out a series of quotes right now I couldn't tell who said what. Allowing everyone to run riot actually lessened its impact. Kent actually became one of my favourite characters as a result of that because his profanity-free dialogue made him unique.

    Anyone that thinks Veep is a watered down version of The Thick of It (I've often heard it said) needs to watch it from start to finish. It takes a lot to shock me but sweet Jesus there's some seriously evil put-downs in it!

    Anyway, a fantastic series despite my own few reservations.

    I replied to this in the Veep thread before we get a slap on the wrist for going way off topic :pac:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=110245344#post110245344


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,318 ✭✭✭munster87


    Best part of the season for me was the night king piano piece by Ramin Djawadi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    I do remember the show I'm watching. And I've never seen any example of a dragon having the level of intelligence that would make it believable when he decides that the small clump of metal that he's never seen before is the ultimate cause of his grief. Especially when the actual murder weapon is still embedded in his mother's chest, and covered in the scent of the only other person in the room.

    The closest we have is a man retelling what he's read other people say. And in fiction, that's not enough.

    The dragons actions would require it to understand metaphorical thinking, which is just ridiculous even if they are supposed to be intelligent animals.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,486 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I only got around to watching the last episode last night.
    I have watched from the start but wouldn't say I was an obsessive fan.
    The first 3 episodes of this series were decent I thought, I enjoyed them but the last 3 have been they felt rushed and like they had to cover too much ground, Danys descent into madness felt extremely sloppy and rushed.
    The ending felt entirely predictable.
    Like some other people have said I didn't think the actually endings for the characters were horrendous but the journey to get there felt so quick, with excellent characters being given fairly poor deaths.

    I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but bizarrely the ending mirrored IMO the ending of The Hunger Games!

    SPOILERS for that below.
    Katniss is Jon
    Alma is Dany
    Leaders of the rebels katniss and Alma coin lead rising against evil regime.
    Alma coin sacrifices innocent people in battle.
    Katniss then kills Alma coin for what she has done. Katniss then lives the rest of her life in exile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭Adiaga 2


    Where the characters actually ended up is fundementally grand, so my first reaction to the episode was mildly positive, purely because I expected them to make an utter hames of it narratively - pull something utterly absurd out of the bag just for the sake of being shocking.

    I can make peace with where the pieces lie on the board as we exit Westeros, but the episode only becomes indescribably more disappointing upon rewatching and on retrospective thinking.

    Jon's fate is grand in itself and a fine send off, but the whole Greyworm angle was a bit farcical.

    Jon murders the Queen while Greyworm has his hands full butchering prisoners, but the latter for some reason decides to then imprison Jon Snow for murdering his friend, leader and Queen and later accepts him being sent to the Night's Watch as justice....OK.

    The episode had some slightly better dialogue in spots compared to preceeding episodes, though "I know a killer when I see one", in the context of everything, is so absurdly bad it almost feels like a cheap inside joke.

    Poor Kit Harrington can only do so much given the writers have not had anything remotely intelligent for him to say this entire season.

    Emilia Clarke did a very decent job of portraying a disturbingly child-like manic Queen in that final scene to her credit, and the backdrop of Greyworm executing Lannister prisoners as Jon strides in to confront her was a fantastic mood-setter.

    The death itself was completely hollow though and carried almost no real emotional weight, though I didn't have too much of an issue with the symbolic melting of the Iron Throne or the questions raised over the level of sentient thinking attributable to dragons.

    There is so much wrong with the episode and wider season I just can just accept that without too much critical thinking.

    The whole climax of Daenery's journey is just absurdly flat, rushed and poorly handled however.

    Hark back to pivotal moments like Ned Stark's beheading, Robb's murder, Joffrey's death, the Mountain crushing the Viper's skull, Tyrion shooting Tywin, Jon facing down Ramsey.

    You would imagine that Jon Snow murdering Daenerys Targaryen would inevitably feature in that list, but it doesn't, and it doesn't even come close either. It's just something that happens in a clumsy, unconvincing manner because it needs to and doesn't connect on any level.

    Also, Jon also could've somewhat credibly claimed Daenerys melted the Iron Throne and simply flew off on Drogon, but that wouldn't have allowed the 'new world' to develop as the Unsullied and Dothraki would've remained in place awaiting her return, so they had to learn she was dead.

    Tyrion discovering the bodies of Jaime and Cersei was so sloppy as to defy belief. In 'The Bells', we see the Red Keep completely collapses on top of them; the finale shows the crypts are not only still entirely intact, but arches, walls and ceilings that we literally saw crumble to dust under the crushing weight of the collapsing keep are magically restored.

    That one really angers me; the writers wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted Jaime and Cersei to die in high, dramatic and emotional fashion, but also wanted to provide Tyrion with an element of closure by easily discovering their bodies....while clearly not giving the remotest **** whatsoever about blatant inconsistency.

    The means by which Bran came to sit on the throne was almost offensively lazy, utterly daft and completely unearned.

    Don't really have an issue with Bran in principle, but that scene almost like bad comedy. Bran becomes King...just because.

    The future of Westeros placed in the hands of a crippled boy without as much as a token discussion, not even the faintest facade of plot intelligence, because the writers are in a rush and just want to wrap everything up while expending as little brain power as possible.

    Hard to believe this is actually the same show I started watching in 2011.

    Yeah, we'll devote 10 minutes to a completely unnecessary scene where Tyrion, for some absurd reason, needs to actually explain to Jon why Daenery's has to go.

    It's grand, we'll make up the time by just rushing through the bit where they chose a ruler to ultimately sit on the Iron Throne...you know, the bit these past 8 seasons have been building towards.

    Apart from a load of other bits we carefully built up over the same time and then sort of pushed aside because we got tired of spinning so many plates and decided to fling most of them out the window rather than make any effort to set them down.

    In the end, absolutely nothing is earned this season - and certainly not in this episode - and pretty much nothing carries any weight as a consequence.

    This show used to be about the complex 'game' that everyone, in all walks of life, had to play, no matter what their ultimate objective. This season has been an insult to that premise and what GoT used to be, but this episode is particularly exposed as being utterly braindead when Benioff and Weiss have no major spectacle to mask their scripting.

    This episode fails to really connect on any level emotionally and just feels like a box-ticking exercise; an hour the writers devoted to lazily tying up the remaining threads with as little effort as possible once they'd achieved all their big battle set-pieces.

    Looking back on the season, 'A Knight of Seven Kingdoms' was a genuinely strong episode and head-and-shoulders above the rest in terms of character interaction and dialogue, tellingly not written by Benioff and Weiss. The only episode I got a true 'Game of Thrones' vibe when watching.

    First episode was OK, and without revisiting my thoughts on E3-5, there's no denying that there was tremendous and seriously impressive spectacle on offer at least.

    And to think that Benioff and Weiss openly talked about how they hoped the finale would be compared with that of Breaking Bad and go down as one of the best finales in television history. It almost defies belief that they would say such a thing.

    As an ending on paper the finale - and the fate determined for most of the characters - is perfectly fine and there's a nice level of closure to it that can often be missing from shows. I like that aspect of it.

    It's just executed extremely badly and my impression as we leave Westeros behind us is that I feel like I'm still waiting for the "real" Game of Thrones.

    Goes down in my books anyway with the likes of Dexter and Lost for letdowns. It's not a direct comparison before anyone takes issue with parallels being drawn with either.

    Great post. Sums up my feelings on GoT better than I ever could.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,553 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    PressRun wrote: »
    The dragons actions would require it to understand metaphorical thinking, which is just ridiculous even if they are supposed to be intelligent animals.

    I agree in a sense, but it's also been shown that there is something of a psychic link between Dany and Drogon. Not warging, but I remember in particular when the Sons of the Harpys were attacking Dany in the fighting pits and Dany et al were surrounded, Dany closed her eyes for a few seconds, and all of a sudden Drogon could be heard in the distance and flew in to save her. We also had Drogon looking very happy (as much as a dragon can) when Dany and Jon flew to the waterfall outside Winterfell and started getting it on.

    I'm sure there may have been other such occasions. I just think it's possible Drogon knew what the throne was and what it represented to Dany through their connection (and how it was fighting so hard for it which ultimately led to her death) rather than understanding the idea behind a throne in a metaphorical sense.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Time to unfollow these threads. Goodbye game of thrones. It's been a sad few weeks for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Time to unfollow these threads. Goodbye game of thrones. It's been a sad few weeks for you.

    Not sticking around for season 9: Dany's Revenge?

    Drogon drops her off at Kinvara over in Essos for some red priestess resurrection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,087 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Not sticking around for season 9: Dany's Revenge?

    Drogon drops her off at Kinvara over in Essos

    Well there is a Scariff in the Star Wars universe...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,365 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Not sticking around for season 9: Dany's Revenge?

    Drogon drops her off at Kinvara over in Essos for some red priestess resurrection.

    Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 115 ✭✭Yermande


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.

    Can't wait to see the disappointment on the faces of the local pimps when they realise exactly who they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,087 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.

    Was it explained why exactly they are going there? So the bould Torgo can find himself another Miss Andy?

    And while I'm at it, why was Tyrion messing with the chairs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,468 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Was it explained why exactly they are going there? So the bould Torgo can find himself another Miss Andy?

    And while I'm at it, why was Tyrion messing with the chairs?

    Because of his comedy-OCD which was never mentioned before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Was it explained why exactly they are going there? So the bould Torgo can find himself another Miss Andy?

    And while I'm at it, why was Tyrion messing with the chairs?
    Presume it's so Greyworm can protect Miss Sundays's people, seeing as they're a peaceful bunch of folks.
    He said as much to her at some stage I think.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,087 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Because of his comedy-OCD which was never mentioned before.

    And the punchline being they got messed up again when the other council members had to pull them out and sit down? Excuse me while I dash off to Casualty to get my sides stitched.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,725 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Arya went West
    Drogon went East
    Jon went North
    The writing went South
    :D:pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    PressRun wrote: »
    The dragons actions would require it to understand metaphorical thinking, which is just ridiculous even if they are supposed to be intelligent animals.

    Funny quote I saw on twitter on this:
    This is quite possibly the smartest dragon in the world, as it inherently understood that it was the corrupting power of the Iron Throne that led to Dany’s downfall, and not Jon Snow.

    Or it’s the stupidest dragon in the world, as it saw a knife in Dany and assumed it was the evil chair made of knives who stabbed her, and then had its revenge. TAKE THAT, KNIFEY CHAIR. MY QUEEN, YOU HAVE BEEN AVENGED.

    I think it was more the dragon version of being livid at someone and turning and punching a wall rather than them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,530 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    The chair scene was a throwback to season 3 when Tyrion came in drunk to a small council meeting and dragged the chair along the ground, and Tywin gave him a look similar to the one Tyrion gave in the finale

    Doesn't make it any funnier or more interesting of course, just provides a reason for it. It still had little impact on most viewers anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭Relikk


    Was it explained why exactly they are going there? So the bould Torgo can find himself another Miss Andy?

    Presumably he's heading there to carry on Daenerys' legacy and liberate it because it's full of slavers, as Missandei was a slave herself. Remember her only possession that Daenerys gave Grey Worm in one of the last episodes, the slave collar, that he threw in the fire?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.


    From the books:


    A large species of butterfly on Naath is a carrier for a horrific disease that makes the flesh literally slough off of a man's bones, but the Naathi themselves are immune to it. For centuries, would-be foreign invaders would end up succumbing to the "butterfly fever", and the Naathi say none maintained a presence on the island for more than a single year. It also deterred slavers for generations. However, slavers eventually realized that if they only stayed on the island for a few hours in quick raids and then departed with captives, they would not contract the disease - and better still if they attacked only at night, because the butterflies are only active during the daylight hours. Naath has still technically never been "conquered" by outside forces due to fear of staying too long and catching the butterfly fever, but otherwise the island's society has been severely damaged by frequent slaver raids.


    Greyworm and the lads might want to reconsider their trip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,522 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.

    Nothing a few butterflies won't sort out


  • Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭gargargar


    I think the reason a lot of people are annoyed is due to the fact that the standard of the story was very high but it eventually tailed of into Hollywood territory. Most of the 'good' guys made it out alive, which probably would not have happened in the way the story was being told when based on the books.

    Also, for me, I just don't see the anointing of Bran as king. He was a useless b*stard most of the time. I would imagine that the people will not have heard of Bran's story, but certainly Jon Snow's story would be known throughout the kingdoms. The man has fought many battles, he avenged the death of the innocents of KL. So for me it would have made sense for him to be the reluctant king.

    All in all it is a great series which never bored me but was a little let down by it's ending.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 934 ✭✭✭OneOfThem Stumbled


    gargargar wrote: »
    I think the reason a lot of people are annoyed is due to the fact that the standard of the story was very high but it eventually tailed of into Hollywood territory. Most of the 'good' guys made it out alive, which probably would not have happened in the way the story was being told when based on the books.

    Also, for me, I just don't see the anointing of Bran as king. He was a useless b*stard most of the time. I would imagine that the people will not have heard of Bran's story, but certainly Jon Snow's story would be known throughout the kingdoms. The man has fought many battles, he avenged the death of the innocents of KL. So for me it would have made sense for him to be the reluctant king.

    All in all it is a great series which never bored me but was a little let down by it's ending.


    Tyrion declared that nobody has a better story than Bran (though Bran was absent for the entirety of season 5)

    What about someone who died and was literally brought back to life by a fire god? How is this not talked about more?

    The kingdom kind of forgot that Jon was resurrected.

    Sam: Hey Jon, didn't you swear a vow to the Night's watch that you would shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children, wear no crowns and win no glory? Didn't you kind of do all of that (except the children bit)?
    Jon: Until death
    Sam: Huh?
    Jon: The pledge ends upon death. Which has not happened for you, Sam Tarly, father of children, possessor of title, holder of glory. You are an oath breaker, and deserter, but nobody actually cares about oaths or laws after season 4.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Tyrion declared that nobody has a better story than Bran (though Bran was absent for the entirety of season 5)

    What about someone who died and was literally brought back to life by a fire god? How is this not talked about more?

    The kingdom kind of forgot that Jon was resurrected.

    Sam: Hey Jon, didn't you swear a vow to the Night's watch that you would shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children, wear no crowns and win no glory? Don't you kind of do all of that (except the children bit)?
    Jon: Until death
    Sam: Huh?
    Jon: The pledge ends upon death. Which has not happened for you, Sam Tarly, father of children, possessor of title, holder of glory. You are an oath breaker, and deserter, but nobody actually cares about oaths or laws after season 4.


    Tyrion himself had a much better story than Bran.


    Bran got carried around by some people and then got turned autistic by a tree.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭claiva


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    Tyrion himself had a much better story than Bran.


    Bran got carried around by some people and then got turned autistic by a tree.

    I literally just snorted :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,026 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Let's all take a moment for a musical interlude..



    :D :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,087 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Let's all take a moment for a musical interlude..



    :D :P

    And while we're in this general area, I reckon this should be Arya's own anthem:
    I had seven faces
    Thought I knew which one to wear
    I'm sick of spending these lonely nights
    Training myself not to care
    :D
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GRNCNZ_TL4


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭LionelNashe


    Here’s my take on Drogon flaming the chair:

    He was hocking up a big throat-full of flame to drop on Jon’s head but he didn’t do it because the Targs and the dragons have a connection. He then flamed the wall to the left of the throne, and the throne itself, to clear a runway for takeoff, because he needs a bit of a running start and there wouldn’t have been space otherwise.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Tyrion declared that nobody has a better story than Bran (though Bran was absent for the entirety of season 5)

    What about someone who died and was literally brought back to life by a fire god? How is this not talked about more?

    The kingdom kind of forgot that Jon was resurrected.

    Sam: Hey Jon, didn't you swear a vow to the Night's watch that you would shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children, wear no crowns and win no glory? Didn't you kind of do all of that (except the children bit)?
    Jon: Until death
    Sam: Huh?
    Jon: The pledge ends upon death. Which has not happened for you, Sam Tarly, father of children, possessor of title, holder of glory. You are an oath breaker, and deserter, but nobody actually cares about oaths or laws after season 4.



    I keep seeing this and wondering how it was missed. But I’m pretty sure Tyrion meant Bran has the best story because he has *everyones* stories.

    He’s the living embodiment of all living history and people and kings all gone. it’s mistakes and victories all there from the past.

    He’s exactly the right person to be king given all that knowledge


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,522 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    I keep seeing this and wondering how it was missed. But I’m pretty sure Tyrion meant Bran has the best story because he has *everyones* stories.

    He’s the living embodiment of all living history and people and kings all gone. it’s mistakes and victories all there from the past.

    He’s exactly the right person to be king given all that knowledge

    Maybe. Although he's already made his own mistake allowing the North to breakaway so maybe he's nothing special. Not sure who would be defending his reign if a Lord with a half decent army made a play either.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Maybe. Although he's already made his own mistake allowing the North to breakaway so maybe he's nothing special. Not sure who would be defending his reign if a Lord with a half decent army made a play either.

    Well he. An see everywhere in real time.
    Loads in fact I don’t know how many but loads of the noble houses have been wiped out and the kingdoms need to be rebuilt and restored.
    No better man.

    Unless the surviving houses get greedy and power hungry but that was usually a Lannister thing and there wiped out.

    Who gets their castle? Who was minding the tarlys? Sam didn’t go home and claim lordship. Democracy and life will just trundle along on those cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭pah


    Wow, so much butthurt in this thread. Like somebody took their last rolo or their rice crispies were soggier than usual this morning. It's like an echo chamber. Is it hip to hate the show now?

    There's a lot of people who are not capable of formulating their own opinions and go with whatever reddit says. At least provide an alternative instead of just whinging and crying about it. It's perfectly fine to dislike something, but this thread is a train wreck of copied opinions. Dexter is comparable to GOT? Not even close, they are not even remotely similar.

    People are not able to see past the opinions which they are told to have on reddit, facebook, twitter etc.

    There's also a subsection of people who like to generally accuse others of butthurt but offer nothing else themselves


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭LionelNashe


    I'm confused to why people think Bran planned all this. I thought he could see everything in the past, not the future? He couldn't have known for sure that Dany would destory King's Landing.

    I agree. His ability to see is not perfect yet. At some point in S7 or S8 he said "I have to get better at seeing".


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,118 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I was looking at comments on YouTube from reaction video (yes I know mostly a cessout) one was great

    Bran: knows everything does nothing.
    Jon: knows nothing does everything


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Well he. An see everywhere in real time.
    Loads in fact I don’t know how many but loads of the noble houses have been wiped out and the kingdoms need to be rebuilt and restored.
    No better man.

    Unless the surviving houses get greedy and power hungry but that was usually a Lannister thing and there wiped out.

    Who gets their castle? Who was minding the tarlys? Sam didn’t go home and claim lordship. Democracy and life will just trundle along on those cases.

    Tyrion should get Casterly Rock I would assume, being the last surviving child of Tywin, although we don't know how many other Lannisters are actually alive to make claim, the show omits a few the books mentioned.

    For the Tarly's, I presume his mother looked after the place til Sam popped home, although he still wouldn't be Lord Tarly if he's a Maester now, and that's not even mentioning the Nights Watch.

    For the other surviving houses, most of the bigger ones, or the ones that weren't decimated at least, are either related to, or friendly with the Starks, so they'd have a nice bit of backing should one of the less friendly houses rise up; Greyjoys etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    pah wrote:
    There's also a subsection of people who like to generally accuse others of butthurt but offer nothing else themselves

    But there has been an offering. Where it's more likely to be discussed and criticized effectively with maturity. The rage train continues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    Regarding the unsullied and the dothraki numbers I wonder if she left some on Dragonstone.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Regarding the unsullied and the dothraki numbers I wonder if she left some on Dragonstone.
    You don't go off to a battle such as that and leave some of your forces behind, knowing how big the other army is and how vital it is you actually win. You throw everything you have at it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Regarding the unsullied and the dothraki numbers I wonder if she left some on Dragonstone.

    I'm not sure why people feel the numbers for them changed between episode 5 and 6, there were loads in episode 5. The major potential inconsistency is post Battle of Winterfell and even then it wasn't that they 'forgot' about them, they were limited by the size of the set.

    From the complaints you'd again swear the show was always consistent with claims of army sizes and what they showed on camera as it suited them and that this is some brand new terrible problem. Most of season 1 is littered with terrible efforts to try to show the scale of armies. There are understandable excuses for it then and there are excuses for it now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 761 ✭✭✭youreadthat


    I've made a huge mistake. There is so much subtle depth to season 8, for example Bron reveals that the best brothels have burnt down, meaning the mid-market brothels are likely to get a significant economic boost in the short term. The audience is left to wonder and theorise in classic Thrones style how the master of coin's economic policies will affect the mid-market segment in the mid to long term.

    Also Drogon appears behind Dany to give her the appearance of having dragon wings. This is a subtle reference to her Targaryen heritage and her status as "mother of dragons". I may have missed some others, please help me out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    I've made a huge mistake. There is so much subtle depth to season 8, for example Bron reveals that the best brothels have burnt down, meaning the mid-market brothels are likely to get a significant economic boost in the short term. The audience is left to wonder and theorise in classic Thrones style how the master of coin's economic policies will affect the mid-market segment in the mid to long term.

    Also Drogon appears behind Dany to give her the appearance of having dragon wings. This is a subtle reference to her Targaryen heritage and her status as "mother of dragons". I may have missed some others, please help me out.

    Not everything needs to be dripping in layers of themes and subtext etc.

    Don't care if it was style over substance, that shot was gorgeous.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,486 ✭✭✭badabing106


    I enjoyed the first half of the last episode with its rightfully sombre and meloncoly tone. The scene with Jon and Dany was very well done.




    After that.. Very weak in every aspect. Story and character arcs for 8 seasons were not taken into consideration.

    Weren't the Night king and Bran meant to be interchangeably linked? Not a mention

    The council meeting bit where Bron, the cut purse/turn coat is Finance minister is embarrassing and not funny

    A complete bottle job.


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