Anti-vaxxers

batgoat · 30-04-2019 1:28pm

Amantine wrote: »

Oh no! We're all going to die from chicken pox! We better vaccinate against chicken pox before all the kids die!

Serious complications from chickenpox include (from the pure as snow CDC):

Bacterial infections of the skin and soft tissues in children, including Group A streptococcal infections
Infection of the lungs (pneumonia)
Infection or inflammation of the brain encephalitis, cerebellar ataxia)
Bleeding problems (hemorrhagic complications)
Bloodstream infections (sepsis)
Dehydration

source: https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/about/complications.html

Here's Roald Dahl's essay on measles and the impact it had upon his daughter. So perhaps grow up a little?

https://www.roalddahlfans.com/dahls-work/essays-and-articles/measles-a-dangerous-illness/

Amantine · 30-04-2019 1:32pm

batgoat wrote: »

Here's Roald Dahl's essay on measles and the impact it had upon his daughter. So perhaps grow up a little?

https://www.roalddahlfans.com/dahls-work/essays-and-articles/measles-a-dangerous-illness/

And here is a link about how the MMR caused Robert de Niro's child's Autism. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/13/robert-de-niro-there-is-a-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/

iamwhoiam · 30-04-2019 1:33pm

Amantine wrote: »

Oh no! We're all going to die from chicken pox! We better vaccinate against chicken pox before all the kids die!

Serious complications from chickenpox include (from the pure as snow CDC):

Bacterial infections of the skin and soft tissues in children, including Group A streptococcal infections
Infection of the lungs (pneumonia)
Infection or inflammation of the brain encephalitis, cerebellar ataxia)
Bleeding problems (hemorrhagic complications)
Bloodstream infections (sepsis)
Dehydration

source: https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/about/complications.html

Amantine wrote: »

Oh no! We're all going to die from chicken pox! We better vaccinate against chicken pox before all the kids dieurl]

You are making a show of yourself with your immature replies
And yes we should be vaccinating vulnerable immuno compromised children against chicken pox . Because I presume you know the difference between a child who is well and am immuno compromised child ?
You don't need to link for me thanks . Unfortunately and sadly I know it first hand .
I think you might be less likely to throw out silly posts if you had experience of the devastating consequences of some of these diseases

batgoat · 30-04-2019 1:35pm

Amantine wrote: »

And here is a link about how the MMR caused Robert de Niro's child's Autism. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/13/robert-de-niro-there-is-a-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/

There is absolutely no proof that the mmr vaccine causes autism. So I've produced a fact, you've produced a conspiracy theory. Substantially different and you're pretending that measles is a walk in the park.

Amantine · 30-04-2019 1:36pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

your responses are increasingly childish.

And yet, it's only a matter of time until big pharma will convince everyone that we HAVE to vaccinate against chicken pox.

Faugheen · 30-04-2019 1:41pm

People need to ignore Amantine. It's clear as day that they're a troll and the responses make that blatantly obvious.

ancapailldorcha · 30-04-2019 1:43pm

Amantine wrote: »

Oh no, we have a measles epidemic!!! Everyone! We're all going to die!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR6NEv6yCEg

Excellent. You've decided to stop this facade of pretending to care.

I couldn't really care less what a crank like DeNiro has to say to be honest. Starring in films does not a doctor make.

ToBeFrank123 · 30-04-2019 1:50pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Why the bizarre childishness?

I had measles as a kid, it's highly unpleasant. It should be pretty much eradicated, but is making a comeback due to idiots on the internet sowing doubt at every opportunity

Agreed. Measles is a disease that more often than not targets the vulnerable, mostly children, those dependent on adults to make informed decisions based on credible mainstream science, not discredited hypothesis.

ToBeFrank123 · 30-04-2019 1:51pm

Amantine wrote: »

And yet, it's only a matter of time until big pharma will convince everyone that we HAVE to vaccinate against chicken pox.

Lets hope not a single person, particularly those with responsibility to vaccinate, take you seriously.

ToBeFrank123 · 30-04-2019 1:56pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Excellent. You've decided to stop this facade of pretending to care.

I couldn't really care less what a crank like DeNiro has to say to be honest. Starring in films does not a doctor make.

Yes. He's now in the same category as such experts on modern medicine as Melinda Messinger and Jenny McCarthy.

valoren · 30-04-2019 1:57pm

I know it's a big leap but as it is a scientific fact (and not a personal belief per DeNiro) that MMR does not cause autism we're left with the conundrum of how a perfectly intelligent person like DeNiro can disregard the scientific consensus. I think personality disorders mixed with cognitive dissonance might play a role in explaining this phenomenon. With certain personality disorders a person can believe they are infallible, perfect, flawless etc they can react to external factors which threaten this self-image. This can lead to such people having children and in turn those children can get diagnosed with a range of developmental disorders such as autism. Personality disordered people especially with say, narcissism (prevalent among Actors) might be engaging in a cognitive dissonance to explain this. They might lean towards believing that this was a result of vaccination and not them, their genes etc. They get to preserve their flawless infallibility i.e. how can someone perfect and healthy like me produce a child with a disorder such as autism? It must be the vaccine.

Amantine · 30-04-2019 2:01pm

Amantine wrote: »

And yet, it's only a matter of time until big pharma will convince everyone that we HAVE to vaccinate against chicken pox.

Here you go, chicken pox is the next black death:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/student-who-refused-chickenpox-vaccine-sues-kentucky-health-department-banning-n984351

ohnonotgmail · 30-04-2019 2:04pm

Amantine wrote: »

And here is a link about how the MMR caused Robert de Niro's child's Autism. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/13/robert-de-niro-there-is-a-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/

your link shows no such thing.

ohnonotgmail · 30-04-2019 2:06pm

Amantine wrote: »

Here you go, chicken pox is the next black death:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/student-who-refused-chickenpox-vaccine-sues-kentucky-health-department-banning-n984351

But Kunkel's father said the family's Christian faith keeps his son from getting vaccinated.

I am embarrassed for you that you would share that link as proof of anything.

VinLieger · 30-04-2019 2:10pm

Amantine wrote: »

Here you go, chicken pox is the next black death:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/student-who-refused-chickenpox-vaccine-sues-kentucky-health-department-banning-n984351

Aww thats cute you think it proves anything

ToBeFrank123 · 30-04-2019 2:11pm

Amantine wrote: »

Here you go, chicken pox is the next black death:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/student-who-refused-chickenpox-vaccine-sues-kentucky-health-department-banning-n984351

And for every article you post, we can post one too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles

Measles affects about 20 million people a year,[3] primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia.[6] While often regarded as a childhood illness, it can affect people of any age.[11] It is one of the leading vaccine-preventable disease causes of death.[12][13] In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it,[6] and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000.[8][14] Rates of disease and deaths, however, increased in 2017 to 2019 due to a decrease in immunization.[15][16] The risk of death among those infected is about 0.2%,[5] but may be up to 10% in people with malnutrition.[6] Most of those who die from the infection are less than five years old.[6] Measles is not believed to affect other animals.[6]

Amantine · 30-04-2019 2:17pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

And for every article you post, we can post one too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles

Wikipedia is your source? http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/education/2010/march/The-Top-10-Reasons-Students-Cannot-Cite-or-Rely-on-Wikipedia.html

Amantine · 30-04-2019 2:33pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

your link shows no such thing.

My link shows that a chickenpox vaccine is now required or children are not allowed in school. Chickenpox! And yes, it's true:

http://www.immunize.org/laws/varicella.asp

ohnonotgmail · 30-04-2019 2:36pm

Amantine wrote: »

My link shows that a chickenpox vaccine is now required or children are not allowed in school. Chickenpox! And yes, it's true:

http://www.immunize.org/laws/varicella.asp

perhaps you should take a look at the post i replied to before replying.

ToBeFrank123 · 30-04-2019 2:53pm

Amantine wrote: »

Wikipedia is your source? http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/education/2010/march/The-Top-10-Reasons-Students-Cannot-Cite-or-Rely-on-Wikipedia.html

It links to reputable sources. You know how Wikipedia works. The sources are in the footnotes.

But again, you attempt to sow doubt. Sow doubt in immunisation projects that have been shown to be hugely effective and successful.

Sowing doubt without proof. This is how anti vaxxers operate.

VinLieger · 30-04-2019 2:57pm

Amantine wrote: »

My link shows that a chickenpox vaccine is now required or children are not allowed in school. Chickenpox! And yes, it's true:

http://www.immunize.org/laws/varicella.asp

No thats not in the slightest what it shows.

It shows the vaccine is now required in this school at this specific point in time due to a chicken pox outbreak.

Faugheen · 30-04-2019 2:58pm

Amantine wrote: »

My link shows that a chickenpox vaccine is now required or children are not allowed in school. Chickenpox! And yes, it's true:

http://www.immunize.org/laws/varicella.asp

No, kids need to be vaccinated in order to attend school which is in the middle of an outbreak.

There's a big ****ing difference. Chicken pox is highly contagious and the school is protecting kids who aren't vaccinated against it by telling them to stay at home until the outbreak dies down.

Did you even read the article?

ollkiller · 30-04-2019 3:08pm

Amantine wrote: »

And here is a link about how the MMR caused Robert de Niro's child's Autism. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/13/robert-de-niro-there-is-a-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/

When a poster puts up a link like this as proof it's blatantly obvious there's no point in having a debate with them. You posting that as proof is absolute lunacy.

In the years before vaccination of measles (1963) around 2.6 million people died from measles, mostly children i might add. In 2017 it was 110,000.
Since 2000 we have saved 21 million deaths through measles. Ya that's 21 million.

Here's the link https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles

Now that link is from the WHO, not from some unqualified hack who professes some feeling. So Amantine do you want to go back to when there was 2.6 million deaths a year from measles. Sounds like fun times alright.

Amantine · 30-04-2019 3:12pm

Faugheen wrote: »

No, kids need to be vaccinated in order to attend school which is in the middle of an outbreak.

There's a big ****ing difference. Chicken pox is highly contagious and the school is protecting kids who aren't vaccinated against it by telling them to stay at home until the outbreak dies down.

Did you even read the article?

VinLieger wrote: »

No thats not in the slightest what it shows.

It shows the vaccine is now required in this school at this specific point in time due to a chicken pox outbreak.

So this link: http://www.immunize.org/laws/varicella.asp doesn't show that vaccination for chickenpox is mandatory?

mcmoustache · 30-04-2019 3:20pm

Varta wrote: »

TBF there has been a great deal of independent research on this issue and no evidence whatsoever has been found to link vaccines with autism. Perhaps what's required is more research into autism.

A big predictor for autism is older parents.

This shouldn't really be news to people but unfortunately, some people are more receptive to stupid conspiracy theories than reality for some reason.

CramCycle · 30-04-2019 3:24pm

Amantine wrote: »

Wikipedia is your source? http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/education/2010/march/The-Top-10-Reasons-Students-Cannot-Cite-or-Rely-on-Wikipedia.html

Those numbers inside the square brackets are the source, which, as you rightly know, you can check up on.

Amantine wrote: »

My link shows that a chickenpox vaccine is now required or children are not allowed in school. Chickenpox! And yes, it's true:

http://www.immunize.org/laws/varicella.asp

Amantine wrote: »

So this link: http://www.immunize.org/laws/varicella.asp doesn't show that vaccination for chickenpox is mandatory?

It's actually very misleading and blatently untrue. Happens in creches in Ireland all the time, if there is an outbreak of Chickenpox, children who have it are held at home and not allowed attend for their own safety. In this case, they are doing the same but in reverse, protecting him until the 21 days is elapsed, at which point he can return to school. So the first video you put up, directly contradicts the link you put up above. Do you even read or listen to what you post anymore?

Its 21 days, for his own health and safety. Chickenpox is generally minor but I seen a friends daughter where her skin was moving while she was unconscious due to the infection that was directly attributed to it via Chicken pox. Its a rare thing, missed by the doctors, and you are right, not convinced it needs a mandatory roll out of a vaccine, unlike others mentioned here but have the decency not to spread lies, one of your posts is lying as it contradicts the other one, which one is it?

Amantine · 30-04-2019 3:27pm

ollkiller wrote: »

When a poster puts up a link like this as proof it's blatantly obvious there's no point in having a debate with them. You posting that as proof is absolute lunacy.

In the years before vaccination of measles (1963) around 2.6 million people died from measles, mostly children i might add. In 2017 it was 110,000.
Since 2000 we have saved 21 million deaths through measles. Ya that's 21 million.

Here's the link https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles

Now that link is from the WHO, not from some unqualified hack who professes some feeling. So Amantine do you want to go back to when there was 2.6 million deaths a year from measles. Sounds like fun times alright.

Measles causes death in malnourished populations, in the UK even though more than 500,000 children are still not vaccinated, I can't seem to find any deaths for 2019 but I could be wrong, if anyone wants to give me a figure.

There was 35 for the whole of Europe which includes countries where children are poor like Romania
source:https://www.bmj.com/content/360/bmj.k795.full

Amantine · 30-04-2019 3:35pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Those numbers inside the square brackets are the source, which, as you rightly know, you can check up on.

It's actually very misleading and blatently untrue. Happens in creches in Ireland all the time, if there is an outbreak of Chickenpox, children who have it are held at home and not allowed attend for their own safety. In this case, they are doing the same but in reverse, protecting him until the 21 days is elapsed, at which point he can return to school. So the first video you put up, directly contradicts the link you put up above. Do you even read or listen to what you post anymore?

Its 21 days, for his own health and safety. Chickenpox is generally minor but I seen a friends daughter where her skin was moving while she was unconscious due to the infection that was directly attributed to it via Chicken pox. Its a rare thing, missed by the doctors, and you are right, not convinced it needs a mandatory roll out of a vaccine, unlike others mentioned here but have the decency not to spread lies, one of your posts is lying as it contradicts the other one, which one is it?

In Ireland it's the kids who have it who are kept home but in this case it's the other way around: it was a completely healthy person who was not allowed to go to school!! because he might get chicken pox?! Should it not be the parents decision to "protect" him from chicken pox? Do you think that's normal? Does that mean they should do the same here? Healthy children should stay home when another child has chicken pox or the flu because they are not vaccinated? Please note, they don't vaccinate children for chicken pox in Ireland.

VinLieger · 30-04-2019 3:40pm

Amantine wrote: »

Please note, they don't vaccinate children for chicken pox in Ireland.

Yes they do, its simply not part of the HSE's immunisation schedule. Children regularly get the vaccination regardless though.

ToBeFrank123 · 30-04-2019 3:41pm

I feel like we are giving Amantine the oxygen of publicity.

Nothing she/he says discredits vaccines. Yet the more of a platform they are given the bigger the danger they raise doubts in the gullible.

It can be very hard to counter lies around vaccines, particular when someone deliberately and mischievously muddies the water.

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