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Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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    #2342
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    As in "Nothing to see here ... Move along now!"??

    20th Century policing has moved on in most places... Thankfully!


    As in "Wait for the court case", or in this case the coroners inquest


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    #2343
    [Deleted User]
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    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    As in "Nothing to see here ... Move along now!"??

    20th Century policing has moved on in most places... Thankfully!

    No, as in, the victim is dead, the offender is dead, there is no criminal case now.
    There is no need to release details to the public.


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    #2344
    The Talking Bread
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    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    bubblypop wrote: »
    It's not the job of AGS to keep the public updated on their investigations.
    Neither is it their job to quell speculation.
    If gardai need assistance from the public they will make an appeal.

    In societies where the police keep the public officially informed and depend on public help in an investigation, press conferences are a crucial piece of the two-way relationship between the policing authorities and the community they serve. Simple as!


    What do you think they need help with. .....Im sure they are clued in to this thread to gather all the credible evidence they need.


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    #2345
    TomOnBoard
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    tara73 wrote: »
    I would agree with you if the killer wouldn't be found. But the killer is dead, the victim too, both found.

    So in this case, I don't think the public needs information about details because they can't help anymore and they don't need to worry about a killer roaming free or a girl kept somewhere.

    Why do you need or expect to know details at this stage?

    It's just to keep the nosiness and worse, the sensationalism, satisfied imo.

    So the public doesn't need "information about details because they can't help anymore"?

    An article from 3 day ago would disagree with you: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/jastine-valdez-murder-gardai-search-for-a-series-of-items-including-nike-runners-ipad-and-reading-glasses-36955762.html

    That refers to Gardai being " anxious" to speak with some ppl still.

    So, unless AGS has made an announcement to the contrary in the meantime, its safe to say that an investigation is still in progress, and AGS is still looking for help.

    When AGS announce that the investigation is over, it will then certainly be appropriate to wait for the Coroners inquest for further information.


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    #2346
    tara73
    Registered Users Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭tara73


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    So the public doesn't need "information about details because they can't help anymore"?

    An article from 3 day ago would disagree with you: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/jastine-valdez-murder-gardai-search-for-a-series-of-items-including-nike-runners-ipad-and-reading-glasses-36955762.html

    That refers to Gardai being " anxious" to speak with some ppl still.

    So, unless AGS has made an announcement to the contrary in the meantime, its safe to say that an investigation is still in progress, and AGS is still looking for help.

    When AGS announce that the investigation is over, it will then certainly be appropriate to wait for the Coroners inquest for further information.


    do you notice anything? you sneakily try to switch your subjects now.

    you were moaning why AGS doesn't inform the public about details of the case or their progress.

    big difference to the subject that AGS still looking for some missing pieces like the tablet and asked the public here for help.


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    #2347
    TomOnBoard
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    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    What do you think they need help with. .....Im sure they are clued in to this thread to gather all the credible evidence they need.

    As of right now? All this I presume:

    https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/our-departments/office-of-corporate-communications/press-releases/2018/may/appeal-murder-investigation-jastine-valdez.html


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    #2348
    The Talking Bread
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    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    As of right now? All this I presume:

    https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/our-departments/office-of-corporate-communications/press-releases/2018/may/appeal-murder-investigation-jastine-valdez.html

    Yes, but they have already requested all this?

    I am confused, what exactly extra do you want them to be asking at this junction?


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    #2349
    notsoyoungwan
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    As in "Wait for the court case", or in this case the coroners inquest

    Absolutely. Big difference between what the public are interested in knowing and what is in the public interest to be known.


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    #2350
    [Deleted User]
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    Correct me if wrong, Bray people, but I believe Jastine worked in the restaurant by the Civic Centre. Think it's called Koi. Put to bed the frankly stupid rumours of MH falling in love with her over the bar.


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    #2351
    8-10
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    Random abduction seems most likely for me anyway. If you wanted to grab a particular person getting off a bus in Enniskerry, why would you be in Ballybrack just 30mins before? It doesn't make sense for that to be planned, you'd think he'd have started in Bray, watch her get on the bus etc. Nothing about this to me suggests he targeted this specific woman.


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    #2352
    ifElseThen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 348 ✭✭ifElseThen


    Hannibal Lecter: He covets. That is his nature. And how do we begin to covet, Clarice? Do we seek out things to covet? No. We begin by coveting what we see every day.

    My initial thoughts on this was that he was maybe served by Jastine who probably gave him a polite smile while serving him, shot the breeze maybe, and then he became obsessed from afar.


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    #2353
    ellejay
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Correct me if wrong, Bray people, but I believe Jastine worked in the restaurant by the Civic Centre. Think it's called Koi. Put to bed the frankly stupid rumours of MH falling in love with her over the bar.

    No, that's not the "rumour."
    She worked somewhere else doing something else.

    I don't know why the information hasn't been publicly released.


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    #2354
    cagefactor
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    ellejay wrote: »
    No, that's not the "rumour."
    She worked somewhere else doing something else.

    I don't know why the information hasn't been publicly released.

    Spill the beans on the rumours


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    #2355
    [Deleted User]
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    ellejay wrote: »
    No, that's not the "rumour."
    She worked somewhere else doing something else.

    I don't know why the information hasn't been publicly released.

    Eh?

    It is speculated in this thread that she was a barmaid.
    She wasn't.

    What rumour?


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    #2356
    Conor1974
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Eh?

    It is speculated in this thread that she was a barmaid.
    She wasn't.

    What rumour?

    ✋🀚


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    #2357
    Suckit
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Eh?

    It is speculated in this thread that she was a barmaid.
    She wasn't.

    What rumour?

    We are probably better off not knowing. I have a feeling it is something ridiculous.

    Jastines remains arrived in Phillipines today.
    https://extra.ie/2018/06/01/news/irish-news/jastine-valdezs-remains-arrive-philippines

    This is a lovely picture. Very sad.
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    #2358
    Strazdas
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    Suckit wrote: »
    We are probably better off not knowing. I have a feeling it is something ridiculous.

    Jastines remains arrived in Phillipines today.
    https://extra.ie/2018/06/01/news/irish-news/jastine-valdezs-remains-arrive-philippines

    This is a lovely picture. Very sad.
    LNW1Tfy.jpg?1

    That pic was released by her parents yesterday. I have to admit I get a lump in my throat every time I see a photo of her, especially this one. She was a beautiful angel.


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    #2359
    tara73
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Eh?

    It is speculated in this thread that she was a barmaid.
    She wasn't.

    What rumour?


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/detectives-search-for-any-link-between-killer-and-his-victim-470992.html

    alright, so in this article they wrote: it is reported that she worked in a restaurant in Enniskerry or Bray. Guards are firming it up.

    So that's true, it's not confirmed, it's just a rumour.

    But how are you so completely sure she wasn't? Do you have special information?


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    #2360
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    ifElseThen wrote: »
    Hannibal Lecter: He covets. That is his nature. And how do we begin to covet, Clarice? Do we seek out things to covet? No. We begin by coveting what we see every day.

    My initial thoughts on this was that he was maybe served by Jastine who probably gave him a polite smile while serving him, shot the breeze maybe, and then he became obsessed from afar.

    FFS. Grow up.


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    #2361
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #2362
    [Deleted User]
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    tara73 wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/detectives-search-for-any-link-between-killer-and-his-victim-470992.html

    alright, so in this article they wrote: it is reported that she worked in a restaurant in Enniskerry or Bray. Guards are firming it up.

    So that's true, it's not confirmed, it's just a rumour.

    But how are you so completely sure she wasn't? Do you have special information?

    Yes. She was a waitress. News reports at the time were confirming this. No special information, the same information that everyone had.


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    #2363
    Creative83
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    Suckit wrote: »
    We are probably better off not knowing. I have a feeling it is something ridiculous.

    Jastines remains arrived in Phillipines today.
    https://extra.ie/2018/06/01/news/irish-news/jastine-valdezs-remains-arrive-philippines

    This is a lovely picture. Very sad.
    LNW1Tfy.jpg?1


    This photo choked me up. It is very sad... RIP


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    #2364
    Shadow1983
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    There before the grace of God go I. Could have been anyone of our us, our family, friends, neighbours or children, God bless you Jastine, I pray you're at peace now.


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    #2365
    tara73
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes. She was a waitress. News reports at the time were confirming this. No special information, the same information that everyone had.


    Jesus, so why you then said one post before she wasn't?

    just not worth to engage with some people..


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    #2366
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    tara73 wrote: »
    Jesus, so why you then said one post before she wasn't?

    just not worth to engage with some people..

    She was a Waitress, not a Barmaid.


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    #2367
    weldoninhio
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    Is it all that hard to believe? He was obviously a nutjob.

    Is a fictional movie about a highly educated serial killer transposed onto something random that happened in Bray hard to believe???


    Yes, and to do it is pathetic.


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    #2368
    Strazdas
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    Lovely article about Jastine today in the Irish Times from their reporter in the Philippines. It's good to hear about her life story and the type of person she was.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/family-remembers-jastine-valdez-she-is-the-sweetest-1.3516654


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    #2369
    [Deleted User]
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    tara73 wrote: »
    Jesus, so why you then said one post before she wasn't?

    just not worth to engage with some people..

    Barmaid is not waitress.

    Read.


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    #2370
    KathleenGrant
    Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭KathleenGrant


    The arguing over trivial details in this thread is tiresome. Piece on Jastine is very touching. She seems to have been a wonderful person.


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    #2371
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    KathleenGrant wrote: »
    The arguing over trivial details in this thread is tiresome. Piece on Jastine is very touching. She seems to have been a wonderful person.
    It is not entirely trivial if you are referring to the barmaid/waitress comments.
    It is also not really arguing.

    There seems to be a rumour connecting Jastine with MH (I haven't heard it, so couldn't say what it is exactly.), when she was a barmaid. Assuming he frequented the pub that she was a barmaid in.

    It was never reported that she was a barmaid, and a restaurant customer frequenting a restaurant would be a lot more noticeable.
    If anything, I would say it is people just trying to help quash the rumours.


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