Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

RIP Jastine , and may your family find the support and comfort they need .

tayto lover wrote: »

I can't find a motive for this at all if he didn't sexually abuse her as we're led to believe. Some people have suggested that he was looking for a child and mistook her because of he small stature.
God help her family. This was just shocking. It makes me worry for my granddaughters.

I have to say it is one of the most disturbing crimes that I recall in my lifetime due to its randomness. Given the appeals in the news for personal belongings I think it's plausible his motive may have been robbery.

cagefactor wrote: »

Obviously the gaurds are well aware whoever he was talking to. Details have not leaked about it. Perhaps a meaningless call

They may not be.
Didn't he have a 'secret phone' that his wife didn't know about?
He may have rang somebody on an unregistered device, that may have been dumped since.

seamus wrote: »

If they have CCTV, then they have a time and a place, so they can trace active calls being made at that time from the masts local to it.

That's assuming they don't have the phone, which is unlikely.

I mean for the person he was on the phone to.
That person could have been anywhere in the world on an unregistered device.
It may also have been his wife.
My point is it could be anyone, the Gardaí may or may not know who it was.

Im still wondering why that poster earlier in the thread announced he had insider garda sources that said it was about an affair. If theres zero evidence to support this then he must have just made it up completely, I cant believe somebody would do that

Suckit wrote: »

I mean for the person he was on the phone to.
That person could have been anywhere in the world on an unregistered device.
It may also have been his wife.
My point is it could be anyone, the Gardaí may or may not know who it was.

Maybe he was just listening to voice mails. Assuming he was on a call, assuming other person is in ireland it would not be difficult to find who they are, even if unregistered (I work in a phone company). If he disposed of the SIM then it will take all of 1 minute to find list of active calls on the cell covering where he was at time of cctv recording, another min to rule out devices with registered users. Once his number is found then call history is available on the system.

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Someone in work (from Ballybrack) was saying something similar the other day and mentioned something about tinder. Possibly just chinese whispers around Ballybrack.

Since Tinder is tied to FB they would have all of the details already if they were both on it communicating. There are no reports saying she had a tinder account. Also I dont see any reports from anyone saying they match with him on Tinder or her for that matter so the Tinder bit may not be true at all.

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Someone in work (from Ballybrack) was saying something similar the other day and mentioned something about tinder. Possibly just chinese whispers around Ballybrack.

I believe there was some talk about the killer being on Tinder but I was also reading they can find absolutely no connection with Jastine, not even the slightest hint of contact with her anywhere, either online or elsewhere.

tara73 wrote: »

What I can imagine is this stalker thing. I hope I recall it rightly that she worked in a bar in Bray. It's possible he frequented that bar and she caught his eye.

So she maybe served him drinks, took the money from him but never really noticed him contrary to him.
Maybe he followed her around in his car, finding out where she lives, what are her times to get out of the house etc.
I think it's possible, but it's pure speculation and it doesn't really matter at this stage anyway.

That could certainly be a possibility Tara, but so far they don't even seem to have made that connection ie. someone remembering that he regularly came in to a place where she used to work. They can't find any link at all (unless he was stalking her without she even realising it or knowing who he was).

The fact that he was acting so erratically both before and after the murder might suggest that their theory that he had some sort of disturbed mental episode and attacked a random and innocent stranger may be the correct one. It's hard for us to even get our heads around such a horrible thought.

mynamejeff wrote: »

this thread is grotesque

ignorant people making offensive baseless suggestions and poorly informed statements

im out

At least we have you here with your moral grandstanding to bring us back down to earth

Pretzill wrote: »

That video clip was of him leaving church rd in ballybrack - a bit of a distance from a bus leaving Bray.

30 minutes before the abduction at 5.41pm , he was on Church Road Ballybrack , and he then drove 10 miles to Enniskerry to abduct.


Its not random enough for me . Enniskerry is not on a direct route to either Ballybrack or Bray , and hadn't he told his wife he was gone for the evening drinking in Ballybrack .


I believe he had a reason to go to Enniskerry .

2forjoy wrote: »

30 minutes before the abduction at 5.41pm , he was on Church Road Ballybrack , and he then drove 10 miles to Enniskerry to abduct.


Its not random enough for me . Enniskerry is not on a direct route to either Ballybrack or Bray , and hadn't he told his wife he was gone for the evening drinking in Ballybrack .


I believe he had a reason to go to Enniskerry .

Based on the very limited amount of information AGS has made available, it appears that they've not found any evidence of a link between MH and JV. They are still investigating that angle I suspect, based on the adage that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...

So, the working theory that's been suggested is that MH was driving on the road and came across Jastine and abducted her. That is where the 'randomness' comes into the picture. No-one can say or has said when he'd decided to abduct someone. Was it days before, or while he was in the pub, or just as soon as he saw her. The randomness relates to her being in tbe wrong place at the wrong time, rather than to his motivations.

As I've said before, if it was not random, then Jastine was a target, from as far back as whenever he decided to abduct her. That implies he knew her or at least of her, and targeted her. Again, no evidence of that has been made available and the implication is that he did not plan to take her in particular.