Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

Hurrache · 23-05-2018 03:32PM

kingofclay wrote: »

In the case of the Columbine massacre, the two shooters exhibit contrasting psychological states. One of them was inherently evil and beyond help while the other was driven mad who could have been helped and put on the right path. According to JBP anyway.

DaveTheLad wrote: »

Without going off topic, thats not exactly true. They both had mad/bad traits but neither were beyond help at all. Theres way more to it than that

One was genuinely classed a psychopath, the other had depression. It was far from a black and white issue as to why the massacre played out as it did.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/20/columbine.myths/

weldoninhio · 23-05-2018 03:39PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It can cause a cocaine induced psychosis . I have seen it first hand in a horrendous incident and assault on my home by a stranger .

I’ve seen it first hand, as the one attacked by someone in a coke induced psychosis.

Strazdas · 23-05-2018 03:47PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Can't say I've ever seen the likes of cocaine do anything up but just turn up the volume knob on a person's personality. It usually got turned up from quiet to arsehole. I never saw it changing a person's underlying personality.

Yes, it's not going to turn a calm and peace loving person into a cold blooded killer. At most, it might make them a bit manic and hyper and louder than normal.

Grayson · 23-05-2018 03:51PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It can cause a cocaine induced psychosis . I have seen it first hand in a horrendous incident and assault on my home by a stranger .

Especially when it's aided by alcohol.

I mentioned it before but I honestly don't know if we'll ever know what happened to him. Was he a normal guy and the drugs/drink messed him up. Was he always a sociopath/psychopath? Was it some combination or something else entirely? We may find some solutions to those questions more plausible than others but we may never actually know.

BattleCorp · 23-05-2018 04:03PM

Grayson wrote: »

Especially when it's aided by alcohol.

I mentioned it before but I honestly don't know if we'll ever know what happened to him. Was he a normal guy and the drugs/drink messed him up. Was he always a sociopath/psychopath? Was it some combination or something else entirely? We may find some solutions to those questions more plausible than others but we may never actually know.

My Dad used to have a saying.

"What's in sober, comes out drunk".

There's some truth in that.

DaveTheLad · 23-05-2018 04:07PM

Hurrache wrote: »

One was genuinely classed a psychopath, the other had depression. It was far from a black and white issue as to why the massacre played out as it did.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/20/columbine.myths/

He was only classed a psychopath after he had died by his writings, which he actually wrote with the intention they would give him that image because he knew they would be revealed after the event

iamwhoiam · 23-05-2018 04:07PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’ve seen it first hand, as the one attacked by someone in a coke induced psychosis.

Sorry to hear that and hope you are ok . I was very lucky not to have been harmed myself

chicorytip · 23-05-2018 04:20PM

Raging_Ninja wrote:

I find it interesting that you keep ignoring the Honduras example and I will continue to urge you to look it up as it show how quickly things can go terrifyingly wrong. The google search terms are "honduras police vs knife video". The video is on youtube.

I think it's Nicaragua you are referring to not Honduras. A man - Etcheverrio was his name - brandishing what looked like a hunting knife. The (armed) police in that incident clearly had no idea how to correctly deal with the situation. Another issue is the type of weaponry the Gardai have at their disposal. I presume tasers or stun guns would be effective enough in disabling a suspect in order for him to be disarmed and arrested.

Captain Obvious · 23-05-2018 04:23PM

chicorytip wrote: »

I think it's Nicaragua you are referring to not Honduras. A man - Etcheverrio was his name - brandishing what looked like a hunting knife. The (armed) police in that incident clearly had no idea how to correctly deal with the situation. Another issue is the type of weaponry the Gardai have at their disposal. I presume tasers or stun guns would be effective enough in disabling a suspect in order for him to be disarmed and arrested.

You wouldn't use a taser on a person attacking someone with a knife because if it wasn't effective that person would be ****ed. And some armed Gardaí do carry tasers.

kunst nugget · 23-05-2018 04:33PM

I read this article years ago about cops and knives - http://www.those-who-serve.com/tag/knife-wounds/ - don't look if you're squeamish.

I had no issue with hearing about a cop/guard fatally shooting someone with a knife after reading it.

Strazdas · 23-05-2018 04:44PM

Jastine's fund has gone over the €100,000 mark. Someone (anonymous) donated €5000 in the last few minutes.

BattleCorp · 23-05-2018 04:47PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

I read this article years ago about cops and knives - http://www.those-who-serve.com/tag/knife-wounds/ - don't look if you're squeamish.

I had no issue with hearing about a cop/guard fatally shooting someone with a knife after reading it.

I'm squarely behind the actions of that detective. He did what he had to do. And I've no problems with that.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-05-2018 05:09PM

The Gardai have family to go home to, and an entire life of their own outside the work they do in difficult circumstances. If there is any perceived threat to their lives then they should not be taking a risk with their own lives, risking leaving their own children without a parent, in order to protect the armed attackers life.

Don’t complain the fire you’re playing with burns you. If you’re armed, you’re a threat to life and if you don’t disarm, or make sudden movements and alarm an armed officer, and in that split second it comes down to the guard or the attacker, then it should be the guards life that’s priority 100 times over. Don’t want to be killed? Don’t carry weapons, and comply with direction, simple as.

mynamejeff · 23-05-2018 05:31PM

http://www.thejournal.ie/valdez-hennessy-4027752-May2018/

i said something along theses lines yesterday and it "seems " it was deleted

23-05-2018 05:39PM

The Nal wrote: »

Possible I guess.

Being a bad/evil person and committing bad/evil acts is a mental illness.

Not necessarily. Both psychopathy and sociopathy fall under the diagnosis of anti-social personality disorder. Psychopaths are born that way. It's not an illness but a, shall we say, dangerous personality type.

Pawwed Rig · 23-05-2018 06:38PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

i said something along theses lines yesterday and it "seems " it was deleted

no you didn't. I just checked all of the reviewed posts and you never mentioned friends of his

AVFC.Stephen · 23-05-2018 07:03PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

no you didn't. I just checked all of the reviewed posts and you never mentioned friends of his

I don't normally post and while I understand some folks are irritating as I have not really followed threads as much as this one. But do moderators need to come across so strict? I understand this is off topic but it is just a forum after all. I'm not saying the chap was correct or was wrong but your post also looks like it's trying to embarrass the guys credentials. Maybe he made a mistake or maybe I read your post wrong

sightband · 23-05-2018 07:05PM

sightband wrote: »

every detail? did you see the bit where i mentioned it’s clear as mud as to what happened. there’s reporting and muck on the likes of this thread that will have a profound impact on both families, a bit of clarification from authorities on what actually happened will put a lot of it to bed. even all the **** about congratulating the garda from everyone on this for taking down this nutter, scum blah blah blah, the latest is that it was an unfortunate ricochet....imagine how the garda feels that that was supposedly not his intent not to mention all the subsequent investigation he will go through.

sometimes clarity and issuing statements helps, again not every detail which i never mentioned.

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

no you didn't. I just checked all of the reviewed posts and you never mentioned friends of his

well what did he say because someone saying they mentioned something along the lines of something and now you saying theynever mentioned friends doesn’t really have much to do with much.

Pawwed Rig · 23-05-2018 07:11PM

AVFC.Stephen wrote: »

I don't normally post and while I understand some folks are irritating as I have not really followed threads as much as this one. But do moderators need to come across so strict? I understand this is off topic but it is just a forum after all. I'm not saying the chap was correct or was wrong but your post also looks like it's trying to embarrass the guys credentials. Maybe he made a mistake or maybe I read your post wrong

Yeah maybe I am coming across badly however if you had seen the amount of posts containing inaccurate information, lies, fantasy, trolling etc in the last 24 hours you would be shocked. We have said that there is to be no speculation on the thread which to be fair the majority have not done but unfortunately the few are set on posting whatever they want.
This guy is making the claim essentially that the mods got it wrong by deleting his 'facts' however what he actually posted was very different to the article and has not been backed up anywhere.

Anyway apologies if I came off gruffly.

sightband · 23-05-2018 07:12PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Can I just ask why you seem to think we are all entitled to every detail of a murder enquiry ?

Mark Hennessy was shot dead in the driver's seat of his car - GSOC statement http://jrnl.ie/4030864

Mark Hennessy was shot dead in the driver's seat of his car - GSOC statement

about time...see, now that helps just to get a little bit of clairifcatkon doesn’t it? before you got on your high horse snide patronising remark.

iamwhoiam · 23-05-2018 07:12PM

sightband wrote: »

well what did he say because someone saying they mentioned something along the lines of something and now you saying theynever mentioned friends doesn’t really have much to do with much.

Actually the poster didn't mention a friend had seen him and not reported it . What he said was suggesting that the family had seen or heard from him and not reported it . Which is hurtful and upsetting .

AVFC.Stephen · 23-05-2018 07:15PM

sightband wrote: »

well what did he say because someone saying they mentioned something along the lines of something and now you saying theynever mentioned friends doesn’t really have much to do with much.

I think folks forget regardless the side of the crime, there is usually a lot of innocent folks involved. Both families will probs be going through something I can't even fathom. Yet I have read so many angry posts of the scum bag etc I really hope that his family members are not looking at this or even the victims. As the whole thread really doesn't help the situation

AVFC.Stephen · 23-05-2018 07:20PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Yeah maybe I am coming across badly however if you had seen the amount of posts containing inaccurate information, lies, fantasy, trolling etc in the last 24 hours you would be shocked. We have said that there is to be no speculation on the thread which to be fair the majority have not done but unfortunately the few are set on posting whatever they want.
This guy is making the claim essentially that the mods got it wrong by deleting his 'facts' however what he actually posted was very different to the article and has not been backed up anywhere.

Anyway apologies if I came off gruffly.

Thanks for the reply. When I posted I wasn't really thinking of yourself, but you put me in mind of I should mention to find out. No need to say sorry, I'm just trying to understand

23-05-2018 07:24PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Jastine's fund has gone over the €100,000 mark. Someone (anonymous) donated €5000 in the last few minutes.

Thankfully there are as many great people in the world as there are evil people.

iamwhoiam · 23-05-2018 07:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thankfully there are as many great people in the world as there are evil people.

There are far more good people than bad . Thankfully

Ash.J.Williams · 23-05-2018 07:27PM

chicorytip wrote: »

I think it's Nicaragua you are referring to not Honduras. A man - Etcheverrio was his name - brandishing what looked like a hunting knife. The (armed) police in that incident clearly had no idea how to correctly deal with the situation. Another issue is the type of weaponry the Gardai have at their disposal. I presume tasers or stun guns would be effective enough in disabling a suspect in order for him to be disarmed and arrested.

No a taser would be useless in this situation... Cops did the right thing. Somebody with a death wish needs more than a taser

23-05-2018 07:32PM

optogirl wrote: »

No not at all - I thought the question was being asked as to whether there were higher instances of bad mental health among travellers.

On this point, Traveller spokespeople emphasise the high high rate of mental health issues among them. One reason might be the divergence between “mainstream life” and their way of life, or/and “inbreeding” may lead to multiplying, within their society, of genetic aspects of mental health issues.

Alkers · 23-05-2018 07:35PM

sightband wrote:

Mark Hennessy was shot dead in the driver's seat of his car - GSOC statement

That statement is completely at odds with what is posted on the other journal story that he was shot twice after getting out of the car and making his way to the boot of the car.
More than likely the gsoc story is the correct version but just interesting to note the amount of discrepancies

sightband · 23-05-2018 07:37PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

No a taser would be useless in this situation... Cops did the right thing. Somebody with a death wish needs more than a taser

sweet jesus, is that straight from the manual or did you take a dump, wipe your hole and try and transcribe what was on the paper?

sightband · 23-05-2018 07:39PM

Simona1986 wrote: »

That statement is completely at odds with what is posted on the other journal story that he was shot twice after getting out of the car and making his way to the boot of the car.
More than likely the gsoc story is the correct version but just interesting to note the amount of discrepancies

yes, hence my point from the outset that a statement from authorities may help quell all the hysteria...which i was crisricised for saying it may be a good move for all concerned.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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