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N22 - Macroom to Ballyvourney (Macroom Bypass) [open to traffic]

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  • #552
    boardsuser1
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    Was only talking to someone about the Macroom BP recently, the campaign for it began 20/25 years ago they were saying.

    It is just outside Lissarda it is starting, beyond the Topaz garage where a bridge goes over the river?

    As for the NRR and M20, these 2 really need to go hand in hand.

    The work on the Dunkettle interchange recently looks very interesting.


  • #553
    marno21
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    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    Was only talking to someone about the Macroom BP recently, the campaign for it began 20/25 years ago they were saying.

    It is just outside Lissarda it is starting, beyond the Topaz garage where a bridge goes over the river?

    As for the NRR and M20, these 2 really need to go hand in hand.

    The work on the Dunkettle interchange recently looks very interesting.

    Yes, it's been in the works for some time. But 20 years ago it would've been a simple single carriageway bypass, not the 22km of dual carriageway we are getting. Was it worth the wait for something so future proofed?

    It starts at Coolcower just before the first bridge going from Macroom to Cork


  • #554
    boardsuser1
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Yes, it's been in the works for some time. But 20 years ago it would've been a simple single carriageway bypass, not the 22km of dual carriageway we are getting. Was it worth the wait for something so future proofed?

    It starts at Coolcower just before the first bridge going from Macroom to Cork

    20 years was definitely worth the wait in that case.

    The bridge next to that place where the old scrap yard was?

    I know the general area well, but it's the names of places around there i don't.


  • #555
    Roadrunner99
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    Once the archaeological work has been completed in the next few months is it just a waiting process then before we see diggers on the ground or will there have to be other works undertaken?


  • #556
    marno21
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    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    20 years was definitely worth the wait in that case.

    The bridge next to that place where the old scrap yard was?

    I know the general area well, but it's the names of places around there i don't.

    Exactly there. There will be a roundabout there between the Topaz garage and the bridge.


  • #557
    marno21
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    Roadrunner99 wrote: »
    Once the archaeological work has been completed in the next few months is it just a waiting process then before we see diggers on the ground or will there have to be other works undertaken?

    The project hasn't been fully tendered yet, we'll know a more detailed timescale when its tendered.

    All advance works are complete bar archaeological work which is due for completion in Q1 2018.


  • #558
    Roadrunner99
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    Could any findings from the archaeological digs slow up progress?


  • #559
    boardsuser1
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    Roadrunner99 wrote: »
    Could any findings from the archaeological digs slow up progress?

    I know it isn't directly connected to this, but isn't there a village under the water near there that flooded some 100 years ago?

    It looks like some sort of bridge in the river.


  • #560
    marno21
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    Roadrunner99 wrote: »
    Can we expect anything from the national development plan to be published in the next few weeks on this project?
    Latest update on the project (24/01/2018) straight from the horses mouth:
    Peter Walsh TII Director of Capital Programme wrote:
    The Deputy asked about the Macroom bypass and the date for construction. The date we had set for the commencement of construction was quarter 1 of 2020. The review of the capital plan announced on 16 January allows some flexibility, which we hope to exploit. Whereas there was no provision for funding for acceleration of the schemes, there is a prospect for future year funding which may allow us some more flexibility. If we can achieve it, Cork County Council will go out to tender as soon as possible for the project. We have an ambition to get the tender out as soon as possible and we will progress it as soon as we can. The date we have given is quarter 1 of 2020.


  • #561
    Roadrunner99
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Latest update on the project (24/01/2018) straight from the horses mouth:

    Thanks marno hopefully now they'll stick to that date or even better knock a few months off it and bring it forward here's hoping.


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  • #562
    marno21
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    Roadrunner99 wrote: »
    Thanks marno hopefully now they'll stick to that date or even better knock a few months off it and bring it forward here's hoping.
    I totally agree. Will massively improve the Killarney - Cork trip.


  • #563
    Water John
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    Truck Driver. The Lee valley was flooded in the 1950s. This was for the Hydroelecric scheme at Carrigadrohid and Inniscarra. The bridge span you see is either the old road or the railway. The road between the 2 mile and 4 mile bridge is new, as in 1950s, I think. The two bridges are the property of the ESB.
    This also flooded the Gearagh, the alluvial forest. Wouldn't happen today.

    The road from Macroom is detailed as, Hartnetts X, Coolcower, 2 mile bridge, 4 mile bridge, Duniskey, Lissarda.


  • #564
    Roadrunner99
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    marno21 wrote: »
    I totally agree. Will massively improve the Killarney - Cork trip.

    looking at othe major projects currently under construction across the country especially in wexord by this time next year they should nearly be completed so I hold out hope that there will be a shift to the south of the country.


  • #565
    spacetweek
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    Water John wrote: »
    Truck Driver. The Lee valley was flooded in the 1950s. This was for the Hydroelecric scheme at Carrigadrohid and Inniscarra. The bridge span you see is either the old road or the railway. The road between the 2 mile and 4 mile bridge is new, as in 1950s, I think. The two bridges are the property of the ESB.
    This also flooded the Gearagh, the alluvial forest. Wouldn't happen today.

    The road from Macroom is detailed as, Hartnetts X, Coolcower, 2 mile bridge, 4 mile bridge, Duniskey, Lissarda.

    From looking at http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,535494,570685,7,7 old 6-inch map there was a bridge over the railway line and another bridge to carry the railway over the old river course. Both now submerged.


  • #566
    Water John
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    Railway stations were at Stage X, western turn off for Crookstown and Duniskey. Family used the get the train to Macroom.


  • #567
    Roadrunner99
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    Saw on the rte news last night the piece they had on killarney about the local bottlenecks surrounding it and how it's affecting tourism.... this might be a big help in getting the macroom bypass off the ground before 2020. Every bit of publicity helps.


  • #568
    KOR101
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    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/0212/940021-killarney-tourism-visitors/


  • #569
    nicmcs
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    Hello all,

    Hoping you can help me, this is probably a well know secret haha.

    I'm looking for a copy of the route for the N22 road from Coolcower out to Ovens.

    I have found various online documents showing the route within the Macroom town Limits but I'm looking for the section from Coolcower out to ovens.

    Can anyone link me to a site or whatever so i can view.
    The cork Road design website is as useful as a chocolate teapot with their tiny photo's.

    Thanks for your help.


  • #570
    Mellifera
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    ok, I now have the maps off the old site, not great quality, but at least you can see the planned path for the entire length 
    https://web.archive.org/web/20071118193519/http://www.corkrdo.ie/n22_ovens_to_ballyvourney_photos.php
    Hi, Munchkin_utd posted this a few weeks ago


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  • #571
    nicmcs
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    Thanks very much for you help.


  • #572
    Roadrunner99
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    Anything come out of the national development plan today on the macroom bypass?


  • #573
    marno21
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    Roadrunner99 wrote: »
    Anything come out of the national development plan today on the macroom bypass?

    It's funded as it always was, Q1 2020 start with minor scope for acceleration


  • #574
    Roadrunner99
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    marno21 wrote: »
    It's funded as it always was, Q1 2020 start with minor scope for acceleration

    Thanks marno


  • #575
    Roadrunner99
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    With no talk of the ovens bypass in the national development plan when is a realistic date we'll see this section of the n22 completed?


  • #576
    Water John
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    Well the NDP runs to 2040. At least 10/15 years before it might be seriously looked at, I'd say.


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  • #577
    marno21
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    Water John wrote: »
    Well the NDP runs to 2040. At least 10/15 years before it might be seriously looked at, I'd say.
    The NDP runs to 2027. As there is no funding for planning & design in the NDP, the earliest the N22/M22 scheme will start construction would be 2031, assuming the NDP remains the State plan until 2027 and the M22 scheme is included in the post-2027 plan.

    Maybe you might drive on it in 2034, even though it a named scheme for dualling in the 1998 Road Needs Study.


  • #578
    Roadrunner99
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    Just wondering when does the archaeological work on this project finish? Was driving through macroom yesterday and I saw them working on a piece of the proposed bypass on the killarney side of the town.


  • #579
    cillo2000
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    My brother's friend has been at some of the engineering meetings for the project. Apparently, they're hoping to get the project started in November this year. Fingers crossed that the archaeological work doesn't uncover anything that might delay it.


  • #580
    marno21
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    Roadrunner99 wrote: »
    Just wondering when does the archaeological work on this project finish? Was driving through macroom yesterday and I saw them working on a piece of the proposed bypass on the killarney side of the town.

    It was to finish in Q1 2018 but I imagine it'll spill into April due to the weather we've had recently


  • #581
    marno21
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    cillo2000 wrote: »
    My brother's friend has been at some of the engineering meetings for the project. Apparently, they're hoping to get the project started in November this year. Fingers crossed that the archaeological work doesn't uncover anything that might delay it.

    The archaeological work shouldn't delay it as there is a natural "buffer" included after the archaeological work finishes that is the time taken to complete the tendering process.

    I'd be very surprised if it started in November 2018 as it hasn't been tendered yet but I can see 2019 happening if they've managed to accelerate it. Programmed date remains Q1 2020 at this time, but this should be updated in the next few weeks


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  • #582
    Roadrunner99
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    Travelled through macroom today to cork and I see they've brought the speed from 2 mile bridge to 4 mile bridge down to 80 from 100 for some reason?


  • #583
    marno21
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    Roadrunner99 wrote: »
    Travelled through macroom today to cork and I see they've brought the speed from 2 mile bridge to 4 mile bridge down to 80 from 100 for some reason?

    Part of the speed limit review. This will be happening countrywide over the next few months


  • #584
    Roadrunner99
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Part of the speed limit review. This will be happening countrywide over the next few months

    Oh I was wondering I thought it might have had something to do with the bypass in the coming years


  • #585
    Water John
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    My OH was asking, were you posting, an April's Fool? May help with the turn off for Castleview- Nutricia. Rarely can do above 80 km anyway with the traffic.


  • #586
    marno21
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    Water John wrote: »
    My OH was asking, were you posting, an April's Fool? May help with the turn off for Castleview- Nutricia. Rarely can do above 80 km anyway with the traffic.

    Most national roads that were never upgraded will be limited to 80km/h. Large stretches of road in Cork will be subject to this

    EDIT: Posts on speed limit review moved to speed limit review thread. Continue discussion here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057646229


  • #587
    Roadrunner99
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    Just wondering what will the speed limit be for the macroom bypass once it's opened? 120km/h?


  • #588
    AugustusMinimus
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    Roadrunner99 wrote: »
    Just wondering what will the speed limit be for the macroom bypass once it's opened? 120km/h?

    100kph as this section is 2+2 I believe.


  • #589
    Roadrunner99
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    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    100kph as this section is 2+2 I believe.

    Thanks, here's hoping we won't have long more to wait before we drive on it.


  • #590
    marno21
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    Was driving the N22 this week quite a bit after not having driven it in around a year, it'll be some transformation when this new scheme is built. Replacing 22km of an absolute drag of a road between the section through the two towns/villages and the twisty mess in between.

    Hopping on the bypass at Coolcower going west and not having to slow below 100km/h again until the roundabout outside Killarney.. magnificient. Hopefully Macroom-Ovens will go into planning soon and the N22 will be beyond belief.


  • #591
    Roadrunner99
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Was driving the N22 this week quite a bit after not having driven it in around a year, it'll be some transformation when this new scheme is built. Replacing 22km of an absolute drag of a road between the section through the two towns/villages and the twisty mess in between.

    Hopping on the bypass at Coolcower going west and not having to slow below 100km/h again until the roundabout outside Killarney.. magnificient. Hopefully Macroom-Ovens will go into planning soon and the N22 will be beyond belief.

    Any recent update on this project marno? Drive this road on a regular basis and tbh it's a shocking road by today's standards.


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  • #592
    marno21
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    Roadrunner99 wrote: »
    Any recent update on this project marno? Drive this road on a regular basis and tbh it's a shocking road by today's standards.
    No further update - although I am expecting a rock solid confirmation of the starting date before the end of the quarter - it'll either be fully confirmed as Q1 2020 or hopefully an accelerated date will be provided. Timelines for schemes are being adjusted at present after the publication of the National Development Plan but the finalised dates have not been published yet.

    This scheme will really improve access to Kerry and also inversely to Cork. I cannot wait for it to open it'll be an incredibly refreshing drive as opposed to the jokeshop of the road at present.


  • #593
    Roadrunner99
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    marno21 wrote: »
    No further update - although I am expecting a rock solid confirmation of the starting date before the end of the quarter - it'll either be fully confirmed as Q1 2020 or hopefully an accelerated date will be provided. Timelines for schemes are being adjusted at present after the publication of the National Development Plan but the finalised dates have not been published yet.
    Slow down progress with the macroom bypass? Cork to ringasiddy for example
    This scheme will really improve access to Kerry and also inversely to Cork. I cannot wait for it to open it'll be an incredibly refreshing drive as opposed to the jokeshop of the road at present.

    With there being a lot of road projects expected to get under way in cork in the next few years would that slow things up for the macroom bypass? Cork to ringaskiddy for example?


  • #594
    imangry29
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    The upgrade of the Dunkettle Interchange is essentially now underway. Even going full steam ahead, the M28 to Ringaskiddy still needs a decision from An Bord Pleanala (due in April?) ... but you would also expect a push for a judicial review of that decision given the weight of local opposition. Post decision / appeal, the M28 still needs to go through compulsory purchase order etc. so I'd think it is too far behind to threaten the timing of the N22 work. Dunkettle and M28 aside, there is nothing remotely close to shovel ready in Cork on a national primary route, other than the N22. TII and CCC must surely be chomping at the bit now to get stuck into it! Fingers crossed it is accelerated from Q1 2020. Although other schemes nationally may get preference.

    Whatever of Macroom-Ovens, it is extremely disappointing that Macroom-Lissarda was not addressed in the NDP - even for pre-appraisal. I know it is probably too short a distance to be a scheme in its own right, but coming off the decent road between Killarney-County Bounds, then on to a shiny new 22km 2+2 road as far as Coolcower .... only to return on to a narrow series of bends connected by the two tight bridges and Lissarda following ..... a very dangerous bottleneck staring transport officials in the face.


  • #595
    Water John
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    Just don't understand it didn't make it to the 4 mile bridge, west of Duniskey. Repeating myself.


  • #596
    Roadrunner99
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    imangry29 wrote: »
    The upgrade of the Dunkettle Interchange is essentially now underway. Even going full steam ahead, the M28 to Ringaskiddy still needs a decision from An Bord Pleanala (due in April?) ... but you would also expect a push for a judicial review of that decision given the weight of local opposition. Post decision / appeal, the M28 still needs to go through compulsory purchase order etc. so I'd think it is too far behind to threaten the timing of the N22 work. Dunkettle and M28 aside, there is nothing remotely close to shovel ready in Cork on a national primary route, other than the N22. TII and CCC must surely be chomping at the bit now to get stuck into it! Fingers crossed it is accelerated from Q1 2020. Although other schemes nationally may get preference.

    Whatever of Macroom-Ovens, it is extremely disappointing that Macroom-Lissarda was not addressed in the NDP - even for pre-appraisal. I know it is probably too short a distance to be a scheme in its own right, but coming off the decent road between Killarney-County Bounds, then on to a shiny new 22km 2+2 road as far as Coolcower .... only to return on to a narrow series of bends connected by the two tight bridges and Lissarda following ..... a very dangerous bottleneck staring transport officials in the face.

    Decison on the cork to ringaskiddy motorway is going to be announced on this coming friday. Can't understand it either why they didn't carry the bypass out beyond 4 mile bridge as you said it could cause a lot of headaches for them down line.


  • #597
    marno21
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    There are 4 major projects countrywide which have planning permission, this, the N4 scheme, the N5 scheme and the Dunkettle Interchange. Dunkettle is effectively underway with clearance works and tender award in Q2 2018. The N4 scheme is starting in late 2018 anyway. The only remaining scheme is the N5 scheme in Mayo which is due to start in 2021 but that project if accelerated won't cause the deceleration of this project.

    There are no competing roads in Cork as only the M28 is near achieving planning and if approved, it'll face an appeal by the local NIMBYs.

    As imangry29 has said, TII are stone mad to get this started. It's incredibly beneficial and has major safety and journey time dividends and clears another stretch of shameful national road off the network. They would go to construction in 2019 but funding isn't permitting.

    I am happy the Coolcower bends and narrow stretch of road remains there because it'll cause a push to get the 24km M22 Macroom-Ovens scheme done. The sooner it is done the better, the road from Lissarda to Ovens may have shoulders and is straight but it's not fit for purpose for the volume of traffic that uses it especially given the volume increases due to the shorter net journey times caused by the opening of Macroom-Ballyvourney


  • #598
    Markcheese
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    Do they even have a preferred route for ovens - coolcower?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #599
    Water John
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    I think there is a corridor. It stays on the hill north of the present road, as you go east. Then drops down to the right of the present road around Farnanes/Farran.
    It also stays north of the river between the 2 and 4 mile bridge, TMK. That's why, it crossing over the river to Coolcower is strange. Some of those here, who are more acquainted , may correct me.


  • #600
    hufpc8w3adnk65
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    Any links to the planned dunketelle interchange?


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