N22 - Macroom to Ballyvourney (Macroom Bypass) [open to traffic]

marno21

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

One thing appears certain, this will be done and dusted and the M20 will still be a mere discussion.

I wouldn't be so sure. I am fairly optimistic about what Varadkar has said about the M20 so far so we may have a glimmer of hope.

KOR101 wrote: »

There is extra money which will be allocated when the Capital Programme Review is published.

http://www.per.gov.ie/en/capital-investment-plan-2016-2021/

We can at least hope it will be moved forward by say a year.

From what I've been reading, Varadkar is planning a new capital plan that will be 2017-2026 rather than the current short term one which lacks ambition and major projects. Cornerstone projects will be the Metro North, M20 and A5/N2 Dublin-Derry. Expect the little projects like Macroom etc to be retained and the Cork North Ring and Macroom-Ovens etc to be included as pipeline projects.

KOR101 wrote: »

Can you explain what 'Grade Separated' means?

In this instance, the N22 mainline would be freeflow and you would have to exit for access to Macroom, instead of everyone having to yield at the one roundabout.

boardsuser1

marno21 wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure. I am fairly optimistic about what Varadkar has said about the M20 so far so we may have a glimmer of hope.



From what I've been reading, Varadkar is planning a new capital plan that will be 2017-2026 rather than the current short term one which lacks ambition and major projects. Cornerstone projects will be the Metro North, M20 and A5/N2 Dublin-Derry. Expect the little projects like Macroom etc to be retained and the Cork North Ring and Macroom-Ovens etc to be included as pipeline projects.



In this instance, the N22 mainline would be freeflow and you would have to exit for access to Macroom, instead of everyone having to yield at the one roundabout.

Even though he was the one who shelved it in 2011?

marno21

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Even though he was the one who shelved it in 2011?

I don't think it was him entirely calling the shots back then to be fair. 70 or so other schemes were cancelled too, and there was a requirement to compulsorily purchase the land if the project was to advance, which was money we didn't have.

Enda constantly said we had no money for the M20 and criticised the cheek of Cork people for asking for it. Leo has said numerous times in the few weeks he's been in charge that it's a priority for his Capital plan, as opposed to the road to Castlebar and Westport that Enda wanted done.

boardsuser1

marno21 wrote: »

I don't think it was him entirely calling the shots back then to be fair. 70 or so other schemes were cancelled too, and there was a requirement to compulsorily purchase the land if the project was to advance, which was money we didn't have.

Enda constantly said we had no money for the M20 and criticised the cheek of Cork people for asking for it. Leo has said numerous times in the few weeks he's been in charge that it's a priority for his Capital plan, as opposed to the road to Castlebar and Westport that Enda wanted done.

Maybe now that Leo is in the driving seat he can see how badly that road is needed.

Do you reckon it was Kenny and Noonan who called the real shots in 2011?

Why Noonan never got it off the ground at any time is mind boggling.

Sure Enda is Enda, look after number 1 and fcuk the rest.

I'll never forget his 'Cork got its motorway to Dublin' rant.

I know this has been said on multiple occasions, but the M20 needs to go from Blarney to Patrickswell only.

Do it once do it right!

imangry29

This is one of the few schemes progressed to almost beyond shovel ready. The current official party line for a start date is Q1 2020. Test of Michael Creed, Brendan Griffin etc. now whether they can pull this date forward as part of the Mid Term Review of the Capital Plan due to be announced before end of this year. Varadkar and even Shane Ross have been hinting at this approach for projects already announced in the 2016 Capital Plan. The best hope is tender it and complete archaeology/advance works in 2018 and start in 2019? Worst case surely has to be Q1 2020..... famous last words I know! TII resources coming free in the next month with the opening of Gort-Tuam, they'll have to put their hand to something!

Very interesting to see where Macroom-Ovens falls in the new 10 year plan. Somebody with a brain in TII must surely realise that having a 22km dual carriageway terminating into the narrow stretch from Macroom to Lissarda is a disaster waiting to happen?? Yet, politically, the M20, the M28, a lot of the N25, the Northern Ring Road etc. etc. are all likely to be the priority. There is billions to go in Cork road projects alone. A bit like the National Development Plans of old, a load of these schemes will be announced. In 10-15 years time, this thread or some extension/offshoot of it will still be alive waiting for Macroom-Ovens me thinks!

marno21

imangry29 wrote: »

This is one of the few schemes progressed to almost beyond shovel ready. The current official party line for a start date is Q1 2020. Test of Michael Creed, Brendan Griffin etc. now whether they can pull this date forward as part of the Mid Term Review of the Capital Plan due to be announced before end of this year. Varadkar and even Shane Ross have been hinting at this approach for projects already announced in the 2016 Capital Plan. The best hope is tender it and complete archaeology/advance works in 2018 and start in 2019? Worst case surely has to be Q1 2020..... famous last words I know! TII resources coming free in the next month with the opening of Gort-Tuam, they'll have to put their hand to something!

Very interesting to see where Macroom-Ovens falls in the new 10 year plan. Somebody with a brain in TII must surely realise that having a 22km dual carriageway terminating into the narrow stretch from Macroom to Lissarda is a disaster waiting to happen?? Yet, politically, the M20, the M28, a lot of the N25, the Northern Ring Road etc. etc. are all likely to be the priority. There is billions to go in Cork road projects alone. A bit like the National Development Plans of old, a load of these schemes will be announced. In 10-15 years time, this thread or some extension/offshoot of it will still be alive waiting for Macroom-Ovens me thinks!

Nice post.

Q1 2020 will likely be stuck to given that there's still money to be spent and there's no sign of even a engineering consultancy tender yet, yet alone a construction tender.

I would be happy with Q1 2020 as long as that's concrete and it'll be done for 2022.

TII are well aware of what Cork needs but it's difficult to communicate this to a man whose main roads agenda revolves around the N5. Leo's Capital Plan should be a major improvement on before and I can see an N22 scheme (either Macroom-Ovens/Killarney-Farranfore) being progressed as a pipeline scheme.

annfield1978

Tender due out shortly on this for Consultant role to assist in procurement of Contractor

marno21

annfield1978 wrote: »

Tender due out shortly on this for Consultant role to assist in procurement of Contractor

Fantastic. Should be underway by mid 2019 in that case.

boardsuser1

marno21 wrote: »

Fantastic. Should be underway by mid 2019 in that case.

What is the expected duration of construction?

marno21

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

What is the expected duration of construction?

2-2.5 years.

boardsuser1

marno21 wrote: »

2-2.5 years.

That's very reasonable considering the length.

It took that alone to get the Sarsfield road and Bandon road flyovers done.

marno21

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

That's very reasonable considering the length.

It took that alone to get the Sarsfield road and Bandon road flyovers done.

In fairness, the main issue with the Sarsfield and Bandon flyovers is that the road had to remain open 24/7 (bar the weekends when the bridges were taken down etc). This being a 22km offline build will mean 2-2.5 years would be the usual time, barring any issues.

Can't wait for it to open.

cargo

Not sure if this belongs to this thread or on its own.


124154 - - N22 Baile Bhuirne Macroom Road Development Design and Build Contract
Publication date: 04-10-20
Response deadline: 03-11-2017 17:00 Irish time
Procedure: PIN
Description: The scheme comprises of the construction of an approximately 22 km upgrade to the main N22 Cork-Tralee road, to be constructed offline. It will require construction of dual carriageway, a number of both grade separated and at-grade interchanges, river bridges, local road re-alignments, road bridges, accommodation underpasses and culverts, environmental mitigation and traffic management, all in close proximity to environmentally sensitive sites, and SAC and sites of historical and cultural significance.
Buyer: Cork County Council


There's a second similar tender also out for Market Consultation on this.


124159 - - Market Consultation - N22 Baile Bhuirne to Macroom Road Development
Publication date: 04-10-2017
Response deadline: 31-10-2017 17:00 Irish time
Procedure: PIN

marno21

Yep indeed, a PIN for construction tender has been issued

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=118842&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

Benildus

Does anyone know why they have those road traffic counters on the road at present? 3 sets of them across the road between Macroom and Ballyvourney?

With the diversions in place next week due to the works at the Minish rail crossing, numbers will surely be significantly down.

marno21

Benildus wrote: »

Does anyone know why they have those road traffic counters on the road at present? 3 sets of them across the road between Macroom and Ballyvourney?

With the diversions in place next week due to the works at the Minish rail crossing, numbers will surely be significantly down.

A lot of traffic with local knowledge will use the N72 to Barraduff and the R570 to Glenflesk and up the N22 to Ballyvourney. The diversion in place is quite lengthy and a poor road

Traffic counters are likely to do with the scheme, not sure the exact reason

Doltanian

marno21 wrote: »

A lot of traffic with local knowledge will use the N72 to Barraduff and the R570 to Glenflesk and up the N22 to Ballyvourney. The diversion in place is quite lengthy and a poor road

Traffic counters are likely to do with the scheme, not sure the exact reason

That is the exact route that is the official diversion, the N22 at the Kerry Way pub is also being repaired simultaneously during the same road closure for the Level Crossing at Minish; this is section which Danny Healy Rae claims was built on a Lios, which led to the famous comments about Fairies.

Truckermal

Any possibility they could fill a few holes in the carpark of The Kerry Way it's a disgrace!

imangry29

Tenders published and with such little fanfare! Get Bryan Dobson down to Macroom!! Anyone who has tracked this from the early days.... announced as part of every National Development Plan Fianna Fail could concoct, the National Spatial Strategy, the rediversion with the Kerry Slug, John Gormley calling it a priority when he visited Macroom (remember when the Greens were in Govt?), An Bord Pleanala, the High Court, the Supreme Court, Enda's Capital Plan, the Mid Term Review of the Capital Plan. Then, without warning, tender for construction. Bang. A week before the Budget. No waiting for the new 10 year Capital Plan.

We are talking about a project that has been close to decades in the planning .... possibly the most significant thing to be done for the entire county of Kerry and a good chunk of NW Cork ..... and they just quietly slip out an eTender as if they were building a garden shed.

But who cares ... roll on construction

imangry29

Also, anyone know what the separate tender for 'Market Consultation' involves?

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=118847&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders

alanucc

Getting ahead of yourself there. The first notice is only a PIN for the D&B contract, effectively means nothing. The market consultation is CCC/TII trying to get views from the market on certain issues before they put out the actual D&B tender docs. Long way to go yet.

Middle Man

PIN = Prior Information Notice

Essentially, such is an advertisement for an upcoming tender process in order to generate interest among the relevant contractors.

KOR101

What does the PIN mean in terms of likely start date?

alanucc

In theory it might be approx 6 months away (that is for the start of procurement of the D&B contractor), but there's no fixed timeline with PINs

annfield1978

It wont be started until Q1 2019 at least. No consultant appointed yet, this will take 3 of 4 months based on a two stage process. There will then be the preparation of a specimen design documents , the pqq stage for the contractor and the competitive tender stage for the contractors where they will each undertake a design which will be reviewed a number of times.

highwaymaniac

alanucc wrote: »

In theory it might be approx 6 months away (that is for the start of procurement of the D&B contractor), but there's no fixed timeline with PINs

Looking at the Dunkettle interchange by way of example it took 5 months from publishing of the PIN to publish the prequal documents so that's a fair estimate. Hopefully will see PQQ early next year, and a contract award late next year.

marno21

annfield1978 wrote: »

It wont be started until Q1 2019 at least. No consultant appointed yet, this will take 3 of 4 months based on a two stage process. There will then be the preparation of a specimen design documents , the pqq stage for the contractor and the competitive tender stage for the contractors where they will each undertake a design which will be reviewed a number of times.

Was waiting for this post; thanks for the update.

The start date for this earlier in the year was Q1 2020, but this may have been given acceleration funding in the Capital Plan review, hence the early tender (even if it is a PIN - the N4 and N5 schemes haven't been PINd yet and are supposedly ahead of this scheme in the queue)

highwaymaniac

annfield1978 wrote: »

It wont be started until Q1 2019 at least. No consultant appointed yet, this will take 3 of 4 months based on a two stage process. There will then be the preparation of a specimen design documents , the pqq stage for the contractor and the competitive tender stage for the contractors where they will each undertake a design which will be reviewed a number of times.

A consultant has been appointed at this stage, a number of advance works tenders have been prepared and published on etenders earlier this year - archaeology, site investigation and advance civil works. Even still doing well to get started on site by Q1 2019.

marno21

highwaymaniac wrote: »

Looking at the Dunkettle interchange by way of example it took 5 months from publishing of the PIN to publish the prequal documents so that's a fair estimate. Hopefully will see PQQ early next year, and a contract award late next year.

I believe one of the issues for Dunkettle is funding allocation - the scheme is currently pencilled in for a Q1 2019 start; which may explain the slow process with it. DTTAS didn't include the acceleration of Dunkettle in their submission for extra funding as part of the Capital plan, however funding for an M40 Demand Management system is in there

marno21

Discussion of Macroom bypass tender on Radio Kerry last week

http://www.radiokerry.ie/macroom-bypass-goes-tender-october-6th-2017/