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Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    I was a bit concerned that yesterday's intro monologue (not that I disagree with a word she said in it) might mean a soapbox at the start of the show everyday.

    Not so, no sign of it today.

    So far, so good with this show.

    The opinions of Joe Soap is a bit too Liveline for myself. Along with sermonising about alcohol… It's like an awful hybrid of D'Arcy and Duffy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,757 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Prof. Murray a lobbyist complaining about other lobbyists.

    Frank is salivating at the thought of his future gig on the international medical conference circuit - "MUP in Ireland - how I saved the Paddies from themselves."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    The opinions of Joe Soap is a bit too Liveline for myself. Along with sermonising about alcohol… It's like an awful hybrid of D'Arcy and Duffy.

    Now there's a review! :D

    They may even use that as the tag line for the show.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    The opinions of Joe Soap is a bit too Liveline for myself. Along with sermonising about alcohol… It's like an awful hybrid of D'Arcy and Duffy.

    +1

    The liveline effect is going to put me off listening.

    Today with the alcohol bill lobbyist Prof. Murray, at least he has qualifications to give a knowledgeable opinion on the topic (even if he is biased and you disagree to him), but then they switch to "Greg from Finglas" to give his ranting opinion.

    It's a shame as there is literally nothing to listen to between 12-1pm. Back to Lyric lite it is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    She will have Ivana Back commenting on the impeachment of the UCD students Union president. I expect Ivana to deplore a witch hunt against a person with unorthodox views. Not!
    I hope I am wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    I thought the impeachment was handled well. Their coverage gave all more balanced view than Patrick Kenny was able to get.

    Again I thought she covered the rape /pedophile topic very much today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    first time really listening to the show now. She's asking what kind of vetting can be done other than Garda vetting to prevent potential child abuse.

    it's fairly obvious that nothing can be done. unfortunately as it is, having a question on a form with 'are you a paedophile?' is hardly going to work. if you have a process where someone who had an accusation made against them held on record, then it just takes one dodgy fckr to make an accusation to destroy them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    first time really listening to the show now. She's asking what kind of vetting can be done other than Garda vetting to prevent potential child abuse.

    it's fairly obvious that nothing can be done. unfortunately as it is, having a question on a form with 'are you a paedophile?' is hardly going to work. if you have a process where someone who had an accusation made against them held on record, then it just takes one dodgy fckr to make an accusation to destroy them.

    Someone texted in suggesting the same thing. Under Irish law you are innocent until proven otherwise. I would hazard a guess that it would be illegal for the Gardai to mention any accusations. Again I'd hazard a guess that they would give an off the record call telling of something that might be credible but not enough evidence in court.

    The problem is pedophiles without a conviction are almost impossible to find. Even when they are offending they can get away with it for years till the victim is older. Tom Humphries could still be offending possibly with several victims if it wasn't by the grace of god or whoever you pray to that his daughter found his phone. Even after that it wouldn't be uncommon for the predator to convince his wife that he's a change man & they don't report it to the Gardai. His family are true heros in this & they must be suffering too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    quintana76 wrote: »
    She will have Ivana Back commenting on the impeachment of the UCD students Union president. I expect Ivana to deplore a witch hunt against a person with unorthodox views. Not!
    I hope I am wrong.
    well considering the SU president was impeached for breaking promises, making false claims about legal advice, and misuse of student union money, I wouldn't be expecting Ivana Bacik to discuss that either.
    Ascough was elected in March and in office all the time her personal views were well-known.
    if she hadn't used SU money to break her election promises, and seemingly lied about legal advice to do so, she'd still be there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    well considering the SU president was impeached for breaking promises, making false claims about legal advice, and misuse of student union money, I wouldn't be expecting Ivana Bacik to discuss that either.
    Ascough was elected in March and in office all the time her personal views were well-known.
    if she hadn't used SU money to break her election promises, and seemingly lied about legal advice to do so, she'd still be there.

    And SUs are usually bastions of financial probity......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    F sake, has John O'Donovon found himself another bleedin outlet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Ciara Kelly just had Catriona Perry on. After engaging in some mutual congratulations over their new roles at the start of the the interview Ciara then ends with a comment about "you're flying the flag for female journalism". Is this really necessary?

    Are we to assume Kelly now considers herself a journalist (as distinct from a broadcaster) now too?

    the interview was "light", to put it mildly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Are we to assume Kelly now considers herself a journalist (as distinct from a broadcaster) now too?


    I could wrong but I think she writes a column for a newspaper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I could wrong but I think she writes a column for a newspaper.

    A puff piece in the Sindo magazine. I wouldn't quite call it journalism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I could wrong but I think she writes a column for a newspaper.

    I wasn't aware of that, but, even if that is the case does she hold a NUJ card? I'd be shocked if so.

    For context, Vogue Williams and Amanda Brunker have weekly columns in papers, are they journalists now too?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Grolschevik


    I wasn't aware of that, but, even if that is the case does she hold a NUJ card? I'd be shocked if so.

    For context, Vogue Williams and Amanda Brunker have weekly columns in papers, are they journalists now too?

    Many journalists aren't in the NUJ.

    I doubt any of those mentioned actually consider themselves journalists (as distinct from 'columnist', 'broadcaster', 'writer' etc...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    If you have a problem with your sky dish they will send out an engineer to repair it. He'll not have spent a day in college nor have any degrees yet he's still an engineer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    If you have a problem with your sky dish they will send out an engineer to repair it. He'll not have spent a day in college nor have any degrees yet he's still an engineer.

    That's hardly the same thing now at all is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    That's hardly the same thing now at all is it?

    I not taking a stance on it at all. I'm just saying that these job titles are getting broader.

    On a different topic though, does anyone on here actually like her?

    I miss George for political issues but can't imagine him covering the Kevin Spacey issue at all. Kevin who? Is he a singer? That's before he even gets to the fact that he is gay.

    I liked the way Ciara covered the pedophile case last week and Kevin Spacey yesterday. I listen as I drive and I find her voice a little bland for radio. If the topic isn't very interesting I can zone out easily. You could never zone out with George voice


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    sligojoek wrote: »

    Well good to see that she's given up treble jobbing but she may have attached herself to the wrong bandwagon. Incidentally, will she be dropping this handle @ciarakellydoc ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    The whole show seemed to revolve around 'gender' and women etc. today, it was hard to listen to and a bit puk inducing. Get over it like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Grolschevik


    J Mysterio wrote:
    Get over it like.

    Quite.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sleeper12 wrote: »

    On a different topic though, does anyone on here actually like her?
    Yes. I think it's really refreshing to have someone from outside 'the media bubble', which is probably a slightly unfair term, but not a completely incorrect one.

    I'm sure most people are aware of the events of last weekend, where Ciara Kelly spoke out on social media about her experiences with an alleged rapist who is a prominent figure in Irish broadcasting.

    I don't believe that Ciara Kelly would have published her comments if she had been a 'lifer' within the Irish media which, like all professional industries on this tiny island, is pretty close-knit.

    Kathy Sheridan, a journalist with the Irish Times, who just two weeks ago was warning against a backlash against victims of Harvey Weinstein, came out swinging in the Irish Times today against the actions of Ciara Kelly. Sheridan began her article with an all-too-obvious reference to rookie journalists, and ended it with the line "Do No Harm" -- an unmistakeable reference to the Hippocratic Oath.

    We are all aware of the extent of denial, and defensiveness, that arose within the Roman Catholic Church when its sexual abuse scandals first gained real credibility, only 20 years ago. I think other professions, such as those in media, are now on a similar journey. And we need voices like Ciara Kelly, a relative newcomer, but a particularly strong-minded (and I think, courageous) broadcaster, to speak some home truths.

    So yeah, I think this is perfect timing to welcome someone like Ciara Kelly to mainstream broadcasting in this country.

    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Well good to see that she's given up treble jobbing but she may have attached herself to the wrong bandwagon. Incidentally, will she be dropping this handle @ciarakellydoc ?
    I've said this before, but only because the same bizarre complaint has been made many times -- I genuinely am at a loss to understand the public concern for a GP practice in Bray, which presumably is already well staffed by medical professionals.

    Nobody on this Forum has questioned the competence of Will Leahy to fulfill his duties as a solicitor, whilst working with RTE Radio 1 as a presenter, nor the likes of Bobby Kerr, a company director and broadcaster on Newstalk.

    I daresay many people who use this forum have more than one single professional role, and are able to manage quite fine.

    The apparent issue with Ciara Kelly's Twitter handle is yet a further 'problem' that my brain is obviously incapable of understanding. I can only assume there is something very significant here that I just don't see. I cannot find a rational explanation for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Nobody on this Forum has questioned the competence of Will Leahy to fulfill his duties as a solicitor, whilst working with RTE Radio 1 as a presenter, nor the likes of Bobby Kerr, a company director and broadcaster on Newstalk.

    I daresay many people who use this forum have more than one single professional role, and are able to manage quite fine.

    The apparent issue with Ciara Kelly's Twitter handle is yet a further 'problem' that my brain is obviously incapable of understanding. I can only assume there is something very significant here that I just don't see. I cannot find a rational explanation for it.

    to be fair, i think most posters thought bobby kerr was shyte when he started. the first few down to business shows that he did were awful radio. he has grown into it, just about, but there are still better presenters than him there for it, such as Ian Guider. you only really notice how bad a presenter is when they go on holidays.
    I do wish he would concentrate more on the business, and pass on the VAT reduction that he kept.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    to be fair, i think most posters thought bobby kerr was shyte when he started. the first few down to business shows that he did were awful radio. he has grown into it, just about, but there are still better presenters than him there for it, such as Ian Guider. you only really notice how bad a presenter is when they go on holidays.
    I do wish he would concentrate more on the business, and pass on the VAT reduction that he kept.
    That's fair enough, but it's not Kerr's broadcasting style I'm referring to, it's his ability to do his job at Insomnia.

    That's a matter for him alone. It shouldn't concern us, nor should Ciara Kelly's GP Practice concern us.


  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭monstermag


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I not taking a stance on it at all. I'm just saying that these job titles are getting broader.

    On a different topic though, does anyone on here actually like her?

    I miss George for political issues but can't imagine him covering the Kevin Spacey issue at all. Kevin who? Is he a singer? That's before he even gets to the fact that he is gay.

    I liked the way Ciara covered the pedophile case last week and Kevin Spacey yesterday. I listen as I drive and I find her voice a little bland for radio. If the topic isn't very interesting I can zone out easily. You could never zone out with George voice

    George interviewed Kevin Spacey a few years back, l think it was back when House of Cards first season was aired, l do recall him saying he was a big fan of the series but didn't like Spacey, apparently he was quite difficult to interview.
    I don't think u could ever accuse George of avoiding a topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    monstermag wrote:
    George interviewed Kevin Spacey a few years back, l think it was back when House of Cards first season was aired, l do recall him saying he was a big fan of the series but didn't like Spacey, apparently he was quite difficult to interview. I don't think u could ever accuse George of avoiding a topic.


    George has to go through the pretendy I'm so old I don't know who he is bit first. It's part of his routine.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    George has to go through the pretendy I'm so old I don't know who he is bit first. It's part of his routine.
    I dunno Sleeper. I refer you to Exhibit # 5,473, George Hook once asking his audience what a "gowl" is...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭i71jskz5xu42pb


    pconn062 wrote: »
    +1

    The liveline effect is going to put me off listening.

    +2

    I've not listened to a lot of the show so far. Seems OK and although I'd not be a massive fan of some of Kelly's output on the whole I think she'll do a good job there.

    But this idea of getting Joe punter to call in for a chat is tough to listen to. If I wanted ill-informed opinions I'll head down the local and find the pub bore.
    Others have said Joe Duffy, all I can think of is Adrian Kennedy .....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    I like Ciara Kelly to a point

    if she would stop all the feminism and medial rubbish she goes on about then she could have a worth while programme worth listening to. she needs a broad and varied variety of topics to talk about not just the same usual rubbish


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I like Ciara Kelly to a point

    if she would stop all the feminism and medial rubbish she goes on about then she could have a worth while programme worth listening to. she needs a broad and varied variety of topics to talk about not just the same usual rubbish
    I agree with previous posters that Lunchtime is making a mistake by trying to blend current-affairs with 'Liveline', but I'd slightly disagree with you on this on, pen_turner. Perhaps there is an opening for a medical call-in slot, which happens on other radio stations (e.g. The Clive Bull Show, on LBC).

    That would be something novel, that doesn't already feature on Irish radio. I know George Hook used to do a variation on this with Ciara Kelly, but it was rushed and didn't feature callers.

    Otherwise, I agree with you, the regular medical slant to the show doesn't really work, although it's hard to fault Ciara Kelly for playing to her strengths in her new role. But if she left it to a medical call-in slot once or twice a week, featuring rotating medical specialists, for example, it might be more interesting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    +2

    I've not listened to a lot of the show so far. Seems OK and although I'd not be a massive fan of some of Kelly's output on the whole I think she'll do a good job there.

    But this idea of getting Joe punter to call in for a chat is tough to listen to. If I wanted ill-informed opinions I'll head down the local and find the pub bore.
    Others have said Joe Duffy, all I can think of is Adrian Kennedy .....

    Isn't that what Hook offered?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    amcalester wrote:
    Isn't that what Hook offered?


    I feel this is where Newstalk is going wrong. By lunchtime we want factual news. Hook was alice in wonderland. Ciara Kelly I do like but I see her show as a Gerry Ryan substitute. I do like her but maybe not at lunch time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    I've heard the show a few times and my problem with Ciara Kelly is that she seems incapable of interviewing guests without putting her own, (perfectly PC), opinions into the mix. She always answers her own questions before letting the guest get a word in.
    George was guilty of the same thing except his opinions were not always PC.
    I think that Sean O'Rourke is the only current affairs broadcaster on Irish radio who seems to know how to ask questions without lacing them with his own opinions. Pat Kenny used to be good before he moved to Newstalk, but he has lost his impartiality when he 'moved the dial'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    Listened to the show today and there was a segment about a family living in a b+b for 2 years. While their situation was disturbing she never asked if the family were doing anything themselves to better their situation, instead it was another "we want a forever home" segment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,176 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Owryan wrote:
    Listened to the show today and there was a segment about a family living in a b+b for 2 years. While their situation was disturbing she never asked if the family were doing anything themselves to better their situation, instead it was another "we want a forever home" segment.


    In fairness to Ciara I've never heard any interviewer ask a question like that. Ever. It would be pretty rude. These are questions that the social welfare asks. If they don't satisfy the social welfare or the housing officer then they will drop down the bottom of the housing queue


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    In fairness to Ciara I've never heard any interviewer ask a question like that. Ever. It would be pretty rude. These are questions that the social welfare asks. If they don't satisfy the social welfare or the housing officer then they will drop down the bottom of the housing queue

    Maybe they should be asking those questions, They ve been on the housing list years according to the interview and seem to think the state owes them a home. At least if they are working but still cant afford something they would have my sympathy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    She's a doctor, just go be a doctor.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 41 aivilo


    Owryan wrote: »
    Listened to the show today and there was a segment about a family living in a b+b for 2 years. While their situation was disturbing she never asked if the family were doing anything themselves to better their situation, instead it was another "we want a forever home" segment.

    They are trying to do an Erica Fleming on it.
    people now "go homeless " to get pushed up the housing list


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭buckfasterer


    Moan Burton on for the daily woman are great slot. Seriously, every feckin day there is a women are being held down by bastard men interviews. Give it a break.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    aivilo wrote: »
    They are trying to do an Erica Fleming on it.
    people now "go homeless " to get pushed up the housing list

    SHE was giving her "expert" opinion and pushing the forever home nonsense again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Moan Burton on for the daily woman are great slot. Seriously, every feckin day there is a women are being held down by bastard men interviews. Give it a break.

    Ah well you know that you've got to follow the narrative: the men are all bad, bad bastards and de women are all perfect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    i think Burton was taking the piss today, apparently the british houses of parliament are in Westminister, and our own are pronounced "Doyle".


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    Moan Burton on for the daily woman are great slot. Seriously, every feckin day there is a women are being held down by bastard men interviews. Give it a break.

    Wait till the JLNR s come in.

    Be all mens fault too!

    :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    Wait till the JLNR s come in.

    Be all mens fault too!

    :)
    Probably a tactic by NewsTalk to finally nail the lack of female presenters bullying. They have turned Hook's former show into Women's Hour(s) which will turn off a lot of the previous listenership. When the JLNR figures drop dramatically next time round they can say we tried, it was not a sucess, we are a business, we are not RTE and we have to make a profit. Only the extreme feminist ideologues could argue with that. They can say it was a well meaning experiment that failed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    Anne Widdecombe (not sure of spelling) interview just now was great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    PCeeeee wrote: »
    Anne Widdecombe (not sure of spelling) interview just now was great.

    Ciara Kelly was absolutely brutal there. That whole point about how it should be fair enough that men have to check themselves because any past digressions by men is seemingly the fault of all of us and supposedly women have had to check themselves for millennia when it came to sexual politics was completely daft.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    Ciara Kelly was absolutely brutal there. That whole point about how it should be fair enough that men have to check themselves because any past digressions by men is seemingly the fault of all of us and supposedly women have had to check themselves for millennia when it came to sexual politics was completely daft.

    Aye but Anne shut that down fairly quick. A reasonable woman is kryptonite to the increasingly daft identity style feminism so beloved of the media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    PCeeeee wrote: »
    Anne Widdecombe (not sure of spelling) interview just now was great.

    Widdecombe was a welcome antidote to usual anti-man rampant feminism that Kelly and her friends go on with.


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