JFK Files

Tipsy McSwagger · 29-10-2017 04:48PM

Simple matter is JFK was a very sick man who had been read the last rights twice throughout his life. He was taking an extraordinary variety of medications, steroids for his Addison’s disease; painkillers for his back; anti-spasmodics for his colitis; antibiotics for urinary-tract infections; antihistamines for allergies. He wasn't able to walk down a flight of stairs and was constantly on crutches.

If you wanted to kill him then just get to his medication and spike it with an untraceable poison. Nobody would have batted an eyelid.

DublinWriter · 29-10-2017 04:54PM

There's one thing here that's so obvious and in plain sight on the Zapruder film that most miss it.

After the fatal head shot Jackie is seen trying to scramble over the trunk of the Lincoln. Most think that she was panicking and trying to escape. She wasn't. What she was actually doing was retrieving a piece of JFK's skull that had flown backwards. She later gave it to one of the Parkland Doctors asking 'will this help?'. Obviously she was in deep shock.

Now consider for a minute that fatal head shot coming from high and rear. Is it really possible that pieces of skull would actually disintegrate and fly backwards a number of feet in the opposite direction to which the bullet would have been travelling?

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 05:03PM

The most damning evidence Lee was a intelligence asset and hardly anyone knows about this. Lee attempted a phone call to a address in Raleigh North Carolina. He was given permission to make a phone call. The switch board operator revealed years later the FBI agents monitoring the call told her to not allow the call to go through leave it unanswered and tell Lee nobody picked up. JFK researchers and former executive assistant to the CIA Deputy Director, Victor Marchetti revealed Lee was ringing the address of John Hurt a person who was US Army Counterintelligence Special Agent. Victor Marchetti also revealed The Office of Naval Intelligence had an operations center in North Carolina were agents would be send as fake expatriates to the Soviet Union

People also forget Jack Ruby was a mob hitman. Don't rule out he may have been a shooter that day? He is a killer. Ruby was stalking Lee after he got arrested.

Tipsy McSwagger · 29-10-2017 05:11PM

DublinWriter wrote: »

There's one thing here that's so obvious and in plain sight on the Zapruder film that most miss it.

After the fatal head shot Jackie is seen trying to scramble over the trunk of the Lincoln. Most think that she was panicking and trying to escape. She wasn't. What she was actually doing was retrieving a piece of JFK's skull that had flown backwards. She later gave it to one of the Parkland Doctors asking 'will this help?'. Obviously she was in deep shock.

Now consider for a minute that fatal head shot coming from high and rear. Is it really possible that pieces of skull would actually disintegrate and fly backwards a number of feet in the opposite direction to which the bullet would have been travelling?

Yes. When you watch the fatal head shot his head goes forward and a spray of blood goes forward and to the right which matches the wound above his ear. His head then snaps back and to the left which would have sent pieces of his skull and brain backwards.

pitifulgod · 29-10-2017 05:16PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The most damning evidence Lee was a intelligence asset and hardly anyone knows about this. Lee attempted a phone call to a address in Raleigh North Carolina. He was given permission to make a phone call. The switch board operator revealed years later the FBI agents monitoring the call told her to allow the call to go through leave it unanswered and tell Lee nobody picked up. JFK researchers and former executive assistant to the CIA Deputy Director, Victor Marchetti revealed Lee was ringing the address of John Hurt a person who was US Army Counterintelligence Special Agent. Victor Marchetti also revealed The Office of Naval Intelligence had an operations center in North Carolina were agents would be send as fake expatriates to the Soviet Union

People also forget Jack Ruby was a mob hitman. Don't rule out he may have been a shooter that day? He is a killer. Ruby was stalking Lee after he got arrested.

Eh, this lot of evidence is as 'damning' as that time we had to explain perspective to you in relation to UFO videos... :pac:

Actual perspective in relation to Hurt call..

John Hurt died in 1981. A few months later, his wife told the author that Hurt had admitted the truth before he died. Terribly upset on the day of the assassination, he got extremely drunk — a habitual problem with him — and telephoned the Dallas jail and asked to speak to Oswald. When denied access, he left his name and number. Mrs. Hurt said her husband told her he never had any earlier contact with Oswald and had been too embarrassed to admit that he got drunk and placed the call. In view of the fact that Hurt’s military-intelligence background appears innocent of any deep operational connections, the account by John Hurt’s wife makes as much sense as anything else.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/Raleigh.htm

Tipsy McSwagger · 29-10-2017 05:17PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The most damning evidence Lee was a intelligence asset and hardly anyone knows about this. Lee attempted a phone call to a address in Raleigh North Carolina. He was given permission to make a phone call. The switch board operator revealed years later the FBI agents monitoring the call told her to not allow the call to go through leave it unanswered and tell Lee nobody picked up. JFK researchers and former executive assistant to the CIA Deputy Director, Victor Marchetti revealed Lee was ringing the address of John Hurt a person who was US Army Counterintelligence Special Agent. Victor Marchetti also revealed The Office of Naval Intelligence had an operations center in North Carolina were agents would be send as fake expatriates to the Soviet Union

People also forget Jack Ruby was a mob hitman. Don't rule out he may have been a shooter that day? He is a killer. Ruby was stalking Lee after he got arrested.

Why was this hitman/killer wiring money to a stripper when Oswald should have been already on his way to the county jail? You do know Oswald requested a sweater which delayed him being moved and thus allowing Ruby the chance to gun him down?

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 05:27PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Eh, this lot of evidence is as 'damning' as that time we had to explain perspective to you in relation to UFO videos... :pac:

Actual perspective in relation to Hurt call..

Why would Lee want to make contact with a guy who had connections with US intelligence? What you expecting to hear a confession? There is too much circumstantial evidence Lee was a government agent. It amazes me people still don't believe this, when you had the FBI and CIA, the other day refusing to allow documents to come out for national security reasons. Do you think people are alive 60 years later?

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 05:42PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Why was this hitman/killer wiring money to a stripper when Oswald should have been already on his way to the county jail? You do know Oswald requested a sweater which delayed him being moved and thus allowing Ruby the chance to gun him down?

Ruby was stalking Oswald. Ruby would have known when Lee would be leaving, he had police insiders he could talk to. Ruby even on video says he was placed in the position ( of killing Oswald) by people in higher positions of power and he said they never allow the facts to come out to the world. Ruby is right 60 years later they still covering up this event and keep the people from knowing the truth.

Tipsy McSwagger · 29-10-2017 05:57PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Ruby was stalking Oswald. Ruby would have known when Lee would be leaving, he had police insiders he could talk to. Ruby even on video says he was placed in the position ( of killing Oswald) by people in higher positions of power and he said they never allow the facts to come out to the world. Ruby is right 60 years later they still covering up this event and keep the people from knowing the truth.

Everyone knew when Oswald was leaving (there was loads of press waiting) but at the time Ruby was not there. It was no secret he was being transferred and at what time. Why would a hitman be transferring money to a stripper instead of being in place to eliminate his target? It makes zero sense.

The Nal · 29-10-2017 06:03PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Everyone knew when Oswald was leaving (there was loads of press waiting) but at the time Ruby was not there. It was no secret he was being transferred and at what time. Why would a hitman be transferring money to a stripper instead of being in place to eliminate his target? It makes zero sense.

He was actually at home in bed when Oswald was supposed to be moved.

Tipsy McSwagger · 29-10-2017 06:09PM

The Nal wrote: »

He was actually at home in bed when Oswald was supposed to be moved.

Ye well hitmen need there rest

. I must actually check the timeline again or my copy of Reclaiming History.

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 06:36PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Everyone knew when Oswald was leaving (there was loads of press waiting) but at the time Ruby was not there. It was no secret he was being transferred and at what time. Why would a hitman be transferring money to a stripper instead of being in place to eliminate his target? It makes zero sense.

Ruby shot Oswald and killed him when he was about to be transferred, end of story. He was there on time to take him out. He probably got told of the delay.

pitifulgod · 29-10-2017 06:38PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Ruby shot Oswald and killed him when he was about to be transferred, end of story. He was there on time to take him out. He probably got told of the delay.

So stayed in bed a bit longer? Seeming a bit implausible so far...

The Nal · 29-10-2017 06:38PM

Ruby was still in his boxer shorts at 10.19am. He left at 10.45ish. With his dog and stopped to chat to a neighbour in the driveway. Oswald was to be moved sometime after 10am.

Lazy about getting into position!

tomwaterford · 29-10-2017 06:45PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

If there is a multiple shooters Oswald not using a the greatest rifle for the assassination is meaningless. Maybe Oswald was used to cover their tracks and getaway?
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There wasn't though??

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 06:51PM

The Nal wrote: »

Ruby was still in his boxer shorts at 10.19am. He left at 10.45ish. With his dog and stopped to chat to a neighbour in the driveway. Oswald was to be moved sometime after 10am.

Lazy about getting into position!

How is Ruby to know the move did not go ahead at 10am . Ruby parked his car, on time and headed down the police park ram to meet Oswald. Only way he could be there on time if someone told him there was a delay.

Tipsy McSwagger · 29-10-2017 06:54PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Ruby shot Oswald and killed him when he was about to be transferred, end of story. He was there on time to take him out. He probably got told of the delay.

Don't you think it would make more sense for a hitman to be ready and either (a) close to or (b) actually at the place where he was to kill his target, before being told of the delay? Everyone was waiting for Oswald to come down, but the guy who was supposed to kill him was at home eating a bowl of cornflakes.

Tipsy McSwagger · 29-10-2017 07:00PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

How is Ruby to know the move did not go ahead at 10am . Ruby parked his car, on time and headed down the police park ram to meet Oswald. Only way he could be there on time if someone told him there was a delay.

Ruby should have been in position by 10am and then along with everyone else who was there would have known there is a delay. Why would he be at home when LHO is supposed to come down to the parking garage? Nobody knew there would be a delay until Oswald requested a sweater, if he doesn't request the sweater he lives.

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 07:15PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Don't you think it would make more sense for a hitman to be ready and either (a) close to or (b) actually at the place where he was to kill his target, before being told of the delay? Everyone was waiting for Oswald to come down, but the guy who was supposed to kill him was at home eating a bowl of cornflakes.

He was there when Oswald came out and he moved in and killed him. There is no evidence at all he would have missed his chance to kill Oswald, nothing. He was there on time to kill him.

And honestly have no clue what you people keep defending the government explanation for things? Why reason is there to redact files with black ink 60 years later after a murder? Do you not think this is strange? Or just happy to believe in a world were government always tells the truth?

Even Dr. Robarge is the chief historian of the Central Intelligence Agency, said The CIA was at the heart of a “benign cover-up” at the spy agency, intended to keep the commission focused on “what the Agency believed at the time was the ‘best truth’—that Lee Harvey Oswald, for as yet undetermined motives, had acted alone in killing John Kennedy.

withheld from the commission in its 1964 investigation, the report found, was the existence, for years, of CIA plots to assassinate Castro, some of which put the CIA in cahoots with the Mafia. Without this information, the commission never even knew to ask the question of whether Oswald had accomplices in Cuba or elsewhere who wanted Kennedy dead in retaliation for the Castro plots.

Robarge had seen evidence CIA had been in communication with Oswald before 1963 and that the spy agency had secretly monitored Oswald’s mail after he attempted to defect to the Soviet Union in 1959

I don't see any reason why the former CIA chief historian would lie. The CIA and FBI actions, in the last few days, only prove to me there is a conspiracy there to stop the truth coming out.

MonkieSocks · 29-10-2017 07:20PM

11:17 AM
LANE, Doyle,
Western Union clerk:
Stamped this time on the telegram Ruby sent to Little Lynn for $25.
Ruby probably arrived a few minutes prior to this time.
Address of office: 2034 Main Street. Ruby left immediately.

11:21 AM
Shooting of LHO

So 4 mins before LHO was shot,

Ruby was wiring money to one of his workers.

No Sweater..............................No shooting

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 07:24PM

MonkieSocks wrote: »

11:17 AM
LANE, Doyle,
Western Union clerk:
Stamped this time on the telegram Ruby sent to Little Lynn for $25.
Ruby probably arrived a few minutes prior to this time.
Address of office: 2034 Main Street. Ruby left immediately.

11:21 AM
Shooting of LHO

So 4 mins before LHO was shot,

Ruby was wiring money to one of his workers.

No Sweater..............................No shooting

Oswald was to moved at 10am, they announced officially, the sweater explanation is nonsense. You think it takes an hour to change a top? Ruby would have to know there was a delay. And it's well known he had contacts at the police station.

tomwaterford · 29-10-2017 07:25PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Oswald was to moved at 10am, they announced officially, the sweater explanation is nonsense. You think it takes an hour to change a top? Ruby would have to know there was a delay. And it's well known he had contacts at the police station.

Was under impression they had to go and get him a sweater??

IE buy him one??

What if he didn't know and just got plain lucky

(like the lad what started ww1 due to someone taking a wrong turn)

MonkieSocks · 29-10-2017 07:47PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Oswald was to moved at 10am, they announced officially, the sweater explanation is nonsense. You think it takes an hour to change a top? Ruby would have to know there was a delay. And it's well known he had contacts at the police station.

So do you think "THEY" delayed Oswalds departure from 10am
until Ruby had done his business at the post office,
walked down the street between 11.17am(Timestamp my post above)
and 11.21am when Oswald was shot?

The Nal · 29-10-2017 08:16PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Oswald was to moved at 10am, they announced officially, the sweater explanation is nonsense. You think it takes an hour to change a top? Ruby would have to know there was a delay. And it's well known he had contacts at the police station.

How would he have known? There are no calls about it to his house, there were no mobile phones then either and he stood patiently in the queue in western union.

When the delay took place he was in his car and then a western union. How did "they" get the news to him?

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 08:18PM

MonkieSocks wrote: »

So do you think "THEY" delayed Oswalds departure from 10am
until Ruby had done his business at the post office,
walked down the street between 11.17am(Timestamp my post above)
and 11.21am when Oswald was shot?

From what we know there was no official announcement of a delay to move Oswald. So how did Ruby know to come to Police Station, over an hour later and shoot Oswald, and have enough time to spare?. IF there was a conspiracy to kill Oswald, and we now know someone had telephoned the Dallas Police, the night before the killing. A man said he was a member of a committee assigned to kill Oswald. If this is anyway true this guy is telling's on his friends to protect Oswald. Ruby did not need to rush to carry out the murder, if had had exact time Oswald would be moved. Someone inside the Dallas Police office wanted him gone too, mostly likely, gave Ruby information.

tomwaterford · 29-10-2017 08:22PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

From what we know there was no official announcement of a delay to move Oswald. So how did Ruby know to come to Police Station, over an hour later and shoot Oswald, with enough time to spare?. IF there was a conspiracy to kill Oswald, and we now know someone had telephoned the Dallas Police, the night before the killing. A man said he member of a committee assigned to kill Oswald. If this is anyway true this guy is telling's on his friends to protect Oswald. Ruby did not need to rush, if he had exact time Oswald would be moved and someone inside the Dallas Police office wanted him gone too.

This makes it sound more and more like it was just pot luck/right place at right time

Do you think if there was a realistic conspiracy to kill Oswald,they would have made a courtesy call to the police station??

And the police would've kept a record of it

Do you honestly believe that???

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 08:23PM

The Nal wrote: »

How would he have known? There are no calls about it to his house, there were no mobile phones then either and he stood patiently in the queue in western union.

When the delay took place he was in his car and then a western union. How did "they" get the news to him?

Nobody knows Jack Ruby total whereabouts that day. Phones existed, it would not be hard to find one to get information.

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 08:25PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

This makes it sound more and more like it was just pot luck/right place at right time

Do you think if there was a realistic conspiracy to kill Oswald,they would have made a courtesy call to the police station??

And the police would've kept a record of it

Do you honestly believe that???

Actually turning up 1 hour and 20 minutes later is actually suspect. If it was a random act killing he be there at the time announced by the radio.

tomwaterford · 29-10-2017 08:30PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Actually turning up 1 hour and 20 minutes later is actually suspect. If it was a random act killing he be there at the time announced by the radio.

This is what I meant

He just shot him as he was there,just as he was coming out??

No real planning/getaway attempt (unlike Oswald) may have just been pot luck he was there at right time as he oviously would have seen press/comotion etc from walking down street.....

if it was planned...would he not been hanging around there since the time he was due to moved and not faffing about transferring money etc

Cheerful Spring · 29-10-2017 08:31PM

Ruby showing up minutes before killing Oswald is a smart move. You dont want to be hanging about in case you spotted and asked what you doing here. The place had police officers and media people only.

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