JFK Files

bodhrandude

Are they downloadable, can you save them to your Google drive.

Cheerful Spring

Wikileaks offers $100,000 reward for unreleased files

Wikileaks has offered a $100,000 reward for the some 300 secret JFK files that have not been released.

On its Twitter account it posted: “WikiLeaks issues a $100,000 reward for the withheld JFK documents should they show violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error.”

In 1992 Congress ordered that all remaining sealed files pertaining to the investigation into Kennedy’s death should be fully opened to the public through the National Archives in 25 years, except for those the president authorised for further withholding.

tigger123

The US Government could realise complete, unredacted files that comprehensively proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oswald did it, and it wouldn't convince the conspiracy theorists.

They want to believe.

pitifulgod

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Former Deputy Assistant to the president Sebastian Gorka withholding many of the JFK files “stinks to high heaven,” and that Donald Trump had nothing to do with it.

2,800 records relating to the assassination of John F. Kennedy were released by the National Archives yesterday, but more have been held back and will be reviewed during a 180-day period. According to Trump confidant Roger Stone, CIA director Mike Pompeo is responsible for the documents being kept secret.

Gorka said it was “fake news” that Trump had any role in ‘covering-up’ the release of the documents, telling Fox News host Lou Dobbs, “This is nothing to do with President Trump, this is the FBI and the CIA requesting to redact some of the documents.”
To hell with them, I mean that seriously, to hell with them,” responded Dobbs, asking, “Why should we or the president or any administration put up” with intelligence agencies keeping the documents secret for so long.

“There’s only two reasons you would do that redaction right now, the reasons are you protect active operations or you protect sources and methods – neither of those can be true 50 years later – so what is it? Something embarrassing,” remarked Gorka, adding, “It really stinks to high heaven.”

According to reports, Trump is apparently furious that the remaining documents were not released.

Gorka is a literal Nazi sympathiser who is a propagandist. He calls everything 'fake news'.... So Nazi updates on this is pretty idiotic.

Pelvis

Pelvis wrote: »

Are the files available to the general public? If so, where?

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release

Cheerful Spring

We finally getting a brief look at what the CIA and FBI refused to allow come out yesterday, it's really interesting too.

Washington Post reporting on this.

Is there something in this file the CIA and FBI did not want the public to see?
A 338-page file on J. Walton Moore, the head of the CIA office in Dallas at the time of the killing

What is the CIA and FBI covering up about this i wonder?
18-page dossier on Gordon McClendon, a Dallas businessman who conferred with Ruby just before he shot Oswald.

Several files on notorious anti-Castro Cuban exiles were apparently withheld, including those focusing on Luis Posada and Orlando Bosch, who had been accused of a 1976 airline bombing that killed 73 people.

Hunt who organised the watergate burglary said Kennedy was killed by the CIA
revelations on Watergate burglars E. Howard Hunt and James McCord, both of whom were longtime CIA operatives of interest to assassination theorists.

Cheerful Spring

One particularly intriguing document is a 1975 deposition given to the Rockefeller Commission by former CIA director Richard Helms. A lawyer asks Helms if there is “any information involved with the assassination of President Kennedy which in any way shows that Lee Harvey Oswald was in some way a CIA agent or an agent” and the document cuts off without an answer. In a separate testimony, Helms also said that Kennedy’s successor Lyndon Johnson used to say that he believed Kennedy was shot because of his order to assassinate the president of South Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/trump-jfk-documents-analysis/

Ipso

So, is that two separate theories in the last two posts?

branie2

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

One particularly intriguing document is a 1975 deposition given to the Rockefeller Commission by former CIA director Richard Helms. A lawyer asks Helms if there is “any information involved with the assassination of President Kennedy which in any way shows that Lee Harvey Oswald was in some way a CIA agent or an agent” and the document cuts off without an answer. In a separate testimony, Helms also said that Kennedy’s successor Lyndon Johnson used to say that he believed Kennedy was shot because of his order to assassinate the president of South Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/trump-jfk-documents-analysis/

A conspiracy theory!

Cheerful Spring

branie2 wrote: »

A conspiracy theory!

I call it reality. If there is nothing to hide you release everything. Anyone with a lick of commonsense now sees why people doubted the official narrative.

tomwaterford

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I call it reality. If there is nothing to hide you release everything. Anyone with a lick of commonsense now sees why people doubted the official narrative.

I've seen no other name suggested as being in any of these other vague conspiracys??



Is there anything to suggest he couldn't have done this alone?

Cheerful Spring

tomwaterford wrote: »

I've seen no other name suggested as being in any of these other vague conspiracys??



Is there anything to suggest he couldn't have done this alone?

Plenty of evidence and yesterday nonsense only goes to show the conspiracy people got it right.

Sonics2k

tigger123 wrote: »

The US Government could realise complete, unredacted files that comprehensively proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oswald did it, and it wouldn't convince the conspiracy theorists.

They want to believe.

I like my theory.

Trump knows he's been having a hard time of it, and some of his fan base has been dwindling. He knew perfectly well that if he released the documents then the CIA would need some of it to be redacted.

Trump has now released the JFK files, the CIA redacted parts of it, and Trump comes out looking like he was trying to help the appeal and show honesty.

Noel82

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32112745.pdf

CIA plotted the assassination of foreign leaders, they recruited Mafia figures to smuggle arms and help in assassination plots, they sent aid and money to foreign countries

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32404220.pdf

They wanted to arm an anti Castro group in California

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32105754.pdf

Biological warfare crops in Cuba. There's another plot where they were going to plant explosives in a sea shell and hoped Castro would pick it up while sea diving.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

" In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. "

Imagine back then, the CIA had special guns to shoot poison darts that gave people heart attacks. With today's technology it really makes you think what they have. Everyone knows about MKULTRA and similar programs.

BorneTobyWilde

They say the camera does not lie, why did people in same car order body guards away? They usually run behind car or ride on bumper, they were hand signalled away, the body guards looked baffled , totally bemused.
Video also shows the driver of JFKs car turn around and shoot him, all clear as day on film.
I guess the camera does lie ?

Cheerful Spring

tigger123 wrote: »

The US Government could realise complete, unredacted files that comprehensively proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oswald did it, and it wouldn't convince the conspiracy theorists.

They want to believe.

Anyone with a brain can see Oswald was not a lonely nut. He was travelling to the Soviet Union. A journalist reported citizens needed state department approval to travel to the Soviet Union during the cold war. Can't just buy a plane ticket and travel, you needed permission. This is my opinion leads credence Oswald was a spy for an agency in America. Why would you classify Oswald tax records? And he happens to find work in the Texas Book Depository?

tomwaterford

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Anyone with a brain can see Oswald was not a lonely nut. He was travelling to the Soviet Union. A journalist reported citizens needed state department approval to travel to the Soviet Union during the cold war. Can't just buy a plane ticket and travel, you needed permission. This is my opinion leads credence Oswald was a spy for an agency in America. Why would you classify Oswald tax records? And he happens to find work in the Texas Book Depository?

Who are his co-conspirators....there isn't even any suggestions redacted??



Much like that red neck what bombed oklahoma....people grossly underestimate the ability of someone determined enough to do something

Cheerful Spring

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They say the camera does not lie, why did people in same car order body guards away? They usually run behind car or ride on bumper, they were hand signalled away, the body guards looked baffled , totally bemused.
Video also shows the driver of JFKs car turn around and shoot him, all clear as day on film.
I guess the camera does lie ?

Driver shoots him where you see this?

Cheerful Spring

tomwaterford wrote: »

Who are his co-conspirators....there isn't even any suggestions redacted??

This evidence could be in files the CIA and FBI just redacted and held back. And it is well known JFK documents got destroyed or missing. If Oswald was a lonely nut, why the fuss its just commonsense this is 50 year cold case.

BorneTobyWilde

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Driver shoots him where you see this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT1ubiS3ips

Cheerful Spring

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT1ubiS3ips

Video is terrible quality for starters. Sun reflection on top of the passenger head, this you mean?

BorneTobyWilde

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT1ubiS3ips

Wow, that video is impressive.

It really has everything you need to formulate a JFK conspiracy theory.

Ominous music... the somber tone of the archetypal YouTube narrator ... the jumpy footage which purports to show something that it manifestly does not.


A classic, a triad of silliness!

Cortina_MK_IV

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This evidence could be in files the CIA and FBI just redacted and held back. And it is well known JFK documents got destroyed or missing. If Oswald was a lonely nut, why the fuss its just commonsense this is 50 year cold case.

Denial... Denial by a nation that one man could kill (arguably) the most powerful man in the world.

tomwaterford

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This evidence could be in files the CIA and FBI just redacted and held back. And it is well known JFK documents got destroyed or missing.

Not taking any chances on there being no evidence



There deosnt seem to been anyone that has benefitted from any conspiracy to shoot JFK??

Esel

tomwaterford wrote: »

There deosnt seem to been anyone that has benefitted from any conspiracy to shoot JFK??

The MIC?

tomwaterford

Esel wrote: »

The MIC?

The Mary immaculate college??

Knew them primary school teachers were up to no good

Esel

tomwaterford wrote: »

The Mary immaculate college??

Knew them primary school teachers were up to no good

Just in case you weren't joking:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex

cml387

What I'd like to see an answer to is this.

LHO defected to the USSR. Then he came back. Was in Cuba as well.

This is in the paranoid 50's and 60's when even to harbour vaguely socialist thoughts was enough to get you on an FBI watchlist.

So what surveillance was on Oswald?

Who was supposed to be watching him, and what exactly were they doing when he got a gun and employment in a building on the route of the presidential motorcade?

Forgetting about all the conspiracy theories about the CIA, Mafia, lizard people or grassy knolls I still haven't seen an explanation for this, although it would certainly give grounds to believe that there was a massive cover-your-ass operation after it happened.

Charmeleon

cml387 wrote: »

What I'd like to see an answer to is this.

LHO defected to the USSR. Then he came back. Was in Cuba as well.

This is in the paranoid 50's and 60's when even to harbour vaguely socialist thoughts was enough to get you on an FBI watchlist.

So what surveillance was on Oswald?

Who was supposed to be watching him, and what exactly were they doing when he got a gun and employment in a building on the route of the presidential motorcade?

Forgetting about all the conspiracy theories about the CIA, Mafia, lizard people or grassy knolls I still haven't seen an explanation for this, although it would certainly give grounds to believe that there was a massive cover-your-ass operation after it happened.

He was being watched, Oswald even went to the FBI office and furiously complained about one of the agents harassing his wife.

He got his guns using false names, and this is in the US where you could buy guns on mail order.

Tipsy McSwagger

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They say the camera does not lie, why did people in same car order body guards away? They usually run behind car or ride on bumper, they were hand signalled away, the body guards looked baffled , totally bemused.
Video also shows the driver of JFKs car turn around and shoot him, all clear as day on film.
I guess the camera does lie ?

Bwahahahahahahahaha