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  • #362
    Charmeleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭Charmeleon


    tigger123 wrote: »
    If certain shadowy elements did want to get rid of Kennedy, a public assisantion is an incredibly clumsy and haphazard way to do it. It would be much easier and more convenient to organise a car accident, or plane crash or whatever. No witnesses, no recorded footage, no fall guy. Nothing.

    It was also an open secret in Washington about his extra marital affairs. He was a matter of months from beginning his re-election campaign. If you wanted rid of him its much simpler to destroy his reputation with the US electorate and have him drift into history.

    Oswald did it.

    Absolutely. He had Addison’s disease, STIs, several affairs, had to wear a back brace etc. none of which were public knowledge. Hence the reason the Secret Service rushed his body away and had the autopsy carried out under military supervision so none of this leaked out. He could easily have been destroyed by leaks.


  • #363
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    tigger123 wrote: »
    If certain shadowy elements did want to get rid of Kennedy, a public assisantion is an incredibly clumsy and haphazard way to do it. It would be much easier and more convenient to organise a car accident, or plane crash or whatever. No witnesses, no recorded footage, no fall guy. Nothing.

    It was also an open secret in Washington about his extra marital affairs. He was a matter of months from beginning his re-election campaign. If you wanted rid of him its much simpler to destroy his reputation with the US electorate and have him drift into history.

    Oswald did it.

    Soviets/KGB said they had gathered inside information data confirming a coup. By all accounts French Intelligence too carried out their own investigation and reached the same conclusion a coup took place that day in Dallas. There is just too much information available showing Oswald could not have acted alone.

    A leftist shooting the President in the right wing state of Dallas, is strange enough. People forget Oswald was supporting pro Castro/Anti Castro groups when he was in New Orleans. If he was a communist he would not be supporting anti Castro groups.


  • #364
    tigger123
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Soviets/KGB said they had gathered inside information data confirming a coup. By all accounts French Intelligence too carried out their own investigation and reached the same conclusion a coup took place that day in Dallas. There is just too much information available showing Oswald could not have acted alone.

    A leftist shooting the President in the right wing state of Dallas, is strange enough. People forget Oswald was supporting pro Castro/Anti Castro groups when he was in New Orleans. If he was a communist he would not be supporting anti Castro groups.

    Why that method though? Why not have Oswald shoot Kennedy point blank and have one of his secret service men shoot Oswald dead instantly. Done deal.

    If it was a conspiracy, why was it so messy?


  • #365
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Soviets/KGB said they had gathered inside information data confirming a coup. By all accounts French Intelligence too carried out their own investigation and reached the same conclusion a coup took place that day in Dallas. There is just too much information available showing Oswald could not have acted alone.

    A leftist shooting the President in the right wing state of Dallas, is strange enough. People forget Oswald was supporting pro Castro/Anti Castro groups when he was in New Orleans. If he was a communist he would not be supporting anti Castro groups.

    You don't seem to know much about this. Oswald was as pro Castro as it got. He was trying to infiltrate the anti Castro group.


  • #366
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Tippet it alleged was part of the conspiracy. Tippet was in area he was not meant to be in and alone. If he was on duty he would have a partner in the car with him. And how was he able to identify Oswald within hours. This is the fastest identification ever. Oswald may have realized he was there to take him out and killed him.

    Of course it could be just an officer in the wrong place who Oswald shot and killed.

    God you talk some amount of nonsense. The DPD had around 1100 officers which meant there was a shortage and not enough for 2 per car. Tippit was redirected from his usual patrol area to a more central area because that’s where the police were concentrating the search for the suspect. He didn’t identity LHO as the assassin, he seen a man matching the suspect and pulled over beside him. As he got out his car LHO shot him twice in the chest then stood over him and shot him in the head.


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  • #367
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Why that method though? Why not have Oswald shoot Kennedy point blank and have one of his secret service men shoot Oswald dead instantly. Done deal.

    If it was a conspiracy, why was it so messy?

    Maybe they could not get to him elsewhere, i don't know.

    Are you forgetting they shot and killed John Kennedy successfully and people like you 60 years still believe Oswald was the only person involved in the killing! Job well done don't you think?


  • #368
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    You don't seem to know much about this. Oswald was as pro Castro as it got. He was trying to infiltrate the anti Castro group.

    So you disagree with the Warren Commission report?

    Oswald. On August 5, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald visited a store managed by Carlos Bringuier, a Cuban refugee and avid opponent of Castro, and the New Orleans delegate of the Cuban student directorate. Oswald indicated an interest in joining the struggle against Castro. He told Bringuier that he had been a marine and was trained in guerrilla warfare, and that he was willing not only to train Cubans to fight Castro but also to join the fight himself. The next day Oswald returned to the store and left his Guidebook for Marines for Bringuier.

    A few days later, a friend of Bringuier's saw Oswald passing out Fair Play for Cuba Committee leaflets on Canal Street, not far from the store Bringuier managed. He, Bringuier and another exile proceeded to the site of Oswald's mini-demonstration, and Bringuier was enraged when he recognized the pro-Castro demonstrator as the anti-Castro activist wannabe of a few days before. Though no physical violence resulted, some heated words were uttered, a crowd gathered, and Oswald was arrested along with the three Cubans for disturbing the peace.


  • #369
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Maybe they could not get to him elsewhere, i don't know.

    Are you forgetting they shot and killed John Kennedy successfully and people like you 60 years still believe Oswald was the only person involved in the killing! Job well done don't you think?

    Ronald Reagan was shot at point blank range. It isn't hard to get to someone like that.

    Point is, there's easier ways to get rid of Kennedy, through murder or political means.


  • #370
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Ronald Reagan was shot at point blank range. It isn't hard to get to someone like that.

    Point is, there's easier ways to get rid of Kennedy, through murder or political means.

    Sure, probably was an easier way, but only the kiillers and people involved know the 'in and outs' of their decision.


  • #371
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    So you disagree with the Warren Commission report?

    Oswald. On August 5, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald visited a store managed by Carlos Bringuier, a Cuban refugee and avid opponent of Castro, and the New Orleans delegate of the Cuban student directorate. Oswald indicated an interest in joining the struggle against Castro. He told Bringuier that he had been a marine and was trained in guerrilla warfare, and that he was willing not only to train Cubans to fight Castro but also to join the fight himself. The next day Oswald returned to the store and left his Guidebook for Marines for Bringuier.

    A few days later, a friend of Bringuier's saw Oswald passing out Fair Play for Cuba Committee leaflets on Canal Street, not far from the store Bringuier managed. He, Bringuier and another exile proceeded to the site of Oswald's mini-demonstration, and Bringuier was enraged when he recognized the pro-Castro demonstrator as the anti-Castro activist wannabe of a few days before. Though no physical violence resulted, some heated words were uttered, a crowd gathered, and Oswald was arrested along with the three Cubans for disturbing the peace.

    As I said, he was trying to infiltrate that group by pretending to be anti Castro. This is basic stuff. Heres Oswald amd Bringuier having a debate on radio.

    https://youtu.be/Ao2a9mRWkso

    And heres Bringuier talking about Oswald infiltrating the group.

    https://youtu.be/x46o7BSx6-w


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  • #372
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    As I said, he was trying to infiltrate that group by pretending to be anti Castro. This is basic stuff. Heres Oswald amd Bringuier having a debate on radio.

    https://youtu.be/Ao2a9mRWkso

    And heres Bringuier talking about Oswald infiltrating the group.

    https://youtu.be/x46o7BSx6-w

    Rubbish. There is no evidence at all Oswald was a member of any pro Cuban group. Who are the other members of this group? Why was he trying to infiltrate a anti-Castro group by himself, for what purpose? Only a government agent would see benefit with this approach.


  • #373
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Rubbish. There is no evidence at all Oswald was a member of any pro Cuban group. Who are the other members of this group? Why was he trying to infiltrate a anti-Castro group by himself, for what purpose? Only a government agent would see benefit with this approach.

    He was the only member of the New Orleans chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. In his mind anyway. They advised him against opening an office. His letter and their response letter are available to read. He was arrested with pro Castro leaflets. He was on the tv news handing them out. Loads of evidence.

    As I said, you dont seem to know too much about this.


  • #374
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    The Nal wrote: »
    He was the only member of the New Orleans chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. In his mind anyway. They advised him against opening an office. His letter and their response letter are available to read. He was arrested with pro Castro leaflets. He was on the tv news handing them out. Loads of evidence.

    As I said, you dont seem to know too much about this.

    You should never argue with a conspiracy theorist. It's like wrestling a pig, you both get dirty and only the pig enjoys it.


  • #375
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    The address on the leaflets, 144 Camp Street, was an office belonging to Guy Bannister, another anti-Kennedy who found himself on Jim Garrison's radar.


  • #376
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    branie2 wrote: »
    The address on the leaflets, 144 Camp Street, was an office belonging to Guy Bannister, another anti-Kennedy who found himself on Jim Garrison's radar.

    Guy Bannister was anti communist and FBI member.The Nal poster will tell you forget this he was a pro Castro supporter.

    The address was 544 camp street.


  • #377
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    branie2 wrote: »
    The address on the leaflets, 144 Camp Street, was an office belonging to Guy Bannister, another anti-Kennedy who found himself on Jim Garrison's radar.

    Thats not true. The address on the leaflets was 544 Camp St. Bannisters office was 531 Lafayette St. I've been to the building. Neither office was accessible by the same door. Two seperate offices. Theres no evidence they knew each other. Oswald was a marxist and Bannister was an anti communist white supremacist.

    Pulling out the Jim Garrison theories. Its getting silly now.
    Ipso wrote: »
    You should never argue with a conspiracy theorist. It's like wrestling a pig, you both get dirty and only the pig enjoys it.

    Have been doing it for 20 years+ but only entertain people who present evidence (even suspect evidence) or something approaching it. Haven't seen one single bit of that on here. Not one.


  • #378
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    He was the only member of the New Orleans chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. In his mind anyway. They advised him against opening an office. His letter and their response letter are available to read. He was arrested with pro Castro leaflets. He was on the tv news handing them out. Loads of evidence.

    As I said, you dont seem to know too much about this.

    There is no evidence there was larger organisation with lots of members. By all accounts Oswald was the head of this Fair Play for Cuba committe and maybe the only member? Sounds to me, he was playing a double game.


  • #379
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    I knew that 44 was at the end of the number


  • #380
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    There is no evidence there was larger organisation with lots of members. By all accounts Oswald was the head of this Fair Play for Cuba committe and maybe the only member? Sounds to me, he was playing a double game.

    There was no evidence that there was a Fair Play for Cuba Committee? Are you serious?


  • #381
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Thats not true. The address on the leaflets was 544 Camp St. Bannisters office was 531 Lafayette St. I've been to the building. Neither office was accessible by the same door. Two seperate offices. Theres no evidence they knew each other. Oswald was a marxist and Bannister was an anti communist white supremacist.

    Pulling out the Jim Garrison theories. Its getting silly now.

    It not silly. Oswald was hardly going to take over Guy Banister office and claim it as his own?.. He just had to be close by to him to receive the leaflets. Records show at 554 camp street there was anti Cuban/castro group office. There is no evidence at all pro Castro groups were near this address, the opposite. Addresses are close by to each other too.


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  • #382
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    There was no evidence that there was a Fair Play for Cuba Committee? Are you serious?

    I'm referring to Oswald and his organisation in New Orleans his trying to set up . He could be the only member this is suspicious.


  • #383
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    It not silly. Oswald was hardly going to take over Guy Banister office and claim it as his own?.. He just had to be close by to him to receive the leaflets. Records show at 554 camp street there was anti Cuban/castro group office. There is no evidence at all pro Castro groups were near this address, the opposite. Addresses are close by to each other too.

    Oswald handed out leaflets with his home address on them. He never rented 544 Camp St.

    The one occasion Oswald is known to have used pamphlets with the "544 CAMP ST." stamp was August 9, 1963, the day Carlos Bringuier and friends discovered him holding a demonstration only a few blocks from Bringuier's store. A year and a half earlier, 544 Camp Street had briefly been the workplace of *drum roll * - Carlos Bringuier - when he had served the Cuban Revolutionary Council.

    Oswald went to a lot of trouble to set up that arrest on Canal St. He wanted Bringuier to hit him.
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I'm referring to Oswald and his organisation in New Orleans his trying to set up . He could be the only member this is suspicious.

    Yes he was the founding member of the New Orleans chapter and was trying to bring attention to the fact using tactics such as above.


  • #384
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Oswald handed out leaflets with his home address on them. He never rented 544 Camp St.

    The one occasion Oswald is known to have used pamphlets with the "544 CAMP ST." stamp was August 9, 1963, the day Carlos Bringuier and friends discovered him holding a demonstration only a few blocks from Bringuier's store. A year and a half earlier, 544 Camp Street had briefly been the workplace of *drum roll * - Carlos Bringuier - when he had served the Cuban Revolutionary Council.

    Oswald went to a lot of trouble to set up that arrest on Canal St. He wanted Bringuier to hit him.

    A friend of Bringuier saw Oswald by chance handing out Pro Castro leaflets and fight happened. In what way does this stop him being a government informer. agent or spy? Oswald playing both sides.


  • #385
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    A friend of Bringuier saw Oswald by chance handing out Pro Castro leaflets and fight happened. In what way does this stop him being a government informer. agent or spy? Oswald playing both sides.

    It wasnt by chance. Oswald positioned himself near Bringuiers shop. Where he worked and where they all hung out. He was rubbing his face in it with the address stamped on the back that day.


  • #386
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    It wasnt by chance. Oswald positioned himself near Bringuiers shop. Where he worked and where they all hung out. He was rubbing his face in it with the address stamped on the back that day.

    Banister office, was at 531 Lafayette St., go out the door turn the corner the next street was 544 st. We don't know if Banister and Oswald knew each other or met only rumor. We do know Oswald had ties to David Ferrie and we know Banister knew of David Ferrie and had ties to him. Banister's secretary, said Oswald knew Bannister and he employed him. She later changed her mind but like most witnesses they do so out of fear. Jack Ruby said he was involved in a conspiracy to kill Jack Kennedy and people in higher positions of power told him to kill Oswald. Conspiracy people did not force Jack Ruby to say this or pay him, he did it on his own


  • #387
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Jack Ruby said he was involved in a conspiracy to kill Jack Kennedy and people in higher positions of power told him to kill Oswald.

    Evidence please


  • #388
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Evidence please

    I posted the video ages ago you not watch it. It was a confession after he killed Oswald.

    The reporters asked him was he alone in doing this act and he clearly states others are involved.




    Even KRLD TV says it was impossible for an assassin to be let through unnoticed. The entrance was blocked by a big armored trunk and guards are outside watching and stopping cars. So not sure why people claim Ruby walked down the police underground entrance unnoticed?



  • #389
    bunderoon
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    Anyone have an explanation of this apparent 'standdown'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=


  • #390
    bunderoon
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  • #391
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    bunderoon wrote: »
    Anyone have an explanation of this apparent 'standdown'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

    Ordered by Kennedy himself.


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