Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

helimachoptor · 12-06-2017 11:19am

yeah its annoying, but i would always expect that to happen.

Coming along the rock road this morning and a white van man was turning right to go up booterstown avenue, i was going slow enough given the rain, but i had to slam on the breaks and he stopped mid-junction, blocking the now on coming traffic

i feel the last couple of months have been very **** for these things

loyatemu · 12-06-2017 12:05pm

I always expect the worst from pedestrians and drivers (and other cyclists) - I'd rather not hit any of of them even if they're in the wrong.

PaulieC · 12-06-2017 12:20pm

amcalester wrote: »

I had entered the roundabout at 6 o'clock and was passing the entrance at 9 o'clock when this clown failed to yield.

That is one huge motherfckin' roundabout...

I love Sean nos · 12-06-2017 5:31pm

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Or a cyclist who has no idea of the rules of the road either and possibly failed their car theory test more than once.

How is this relevant?

amcalester · 12-06-2017 6:02pm

Another one on the way home, I was traveling straight and a van coming the opposite direction turned right across my path.

I was able to stop in time, stopping about a foot from the side panel of the van.

Van driver drive off oblivious to what happened.

Luckily there was a Garda car, with 2 Gardai in it, stopped at the junction who on hearing my roar took off after the van and pulled him over.

I followed and gave my details and the Garda said she'd be in touch.

ED E · 12-06-2017 6:14pm

Nothing like a little bit of karmic justice of a monday

amcalester · 12-06-2017 6:23pm

ED E wrote: »

Nothing like a little bit of karmic justice of a monday

Yeah, but to be honest I wish he'd just been more observant and waited until I had passed through the junction.

He told the Garda that he didn't see me but I was wearing hi-vis so not sure how that's possible.

Kaisr Sose · 12-06-2017 6:43pm

amcalester wrote: »

Yeah, but to be honest I wish he'd just been more observant and waited until I had passed through the junction.

He told the Garda that he didn't see me but I was wearing hi-vis so not sure how that's possible.

Of course he seen you, but he is not going to admit he was driving without due care and attention. Nothing like a Garda in the right place at the right time. It just shows you that the staffing cut backs have resulted in less chance of getting caught.

ED E · 12-06-2017 6:46pm

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Of course he seen you, but he is not going to admit he was driving without due care and attention. Nothing like a Garda in the right place at the right time. It just shows you that the staffing cut backs have resulted in less chance of getting caught.

He just did. Either his vision isnt good enough to drive or he wasnt looking which is easily a charge of DC&A.

amcalester · 12-06-2017 6:46pm

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Of course he seen you, but he is not going to admit he was driving without due care and attention. Nothing like a Garda in the right place at the right time. It just shows you that the staffing cut backs have resulted in less chance of getting caught.

I actually believe that he didn't see me, 2 other vehicles turned right just before him, but they had the time to do so, and I think he just followed along like a lemming.

Kaisr Sose · 12-06-2017 7:07pm

You are being very fair to him. He should not blindly follow others. Just because it's safe for one or two, does not make it safe for him. Personally I am tired of being safely passed by one motorist only for two or more cars to come though without knowing if it's possible to do so safely.

Kaisr Sose · 12-06-2017 7:10pm

ED E wrote: »

He just did. Either his vision isnt good enough to drive or he wasnt looking which is easily a charge of DC&A.

Sorry you are right, but if he says he seen him it's worse for him. Careless driving – Driving without due Care and Dangerous Driving in that order of seriousness. The first is penalty points and a small fine, the others can be a ban on conviction.

amcalester · 12-06-2017 7:14pm

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

You are being very fair to him. He should not blindly follow others. Just because it's safe for one or two, does not make it safe for him. Personally I am tired of being safely passed by one motorist only for two or more cars to come though without knowing if it's possible to do so safely.

I'm not trying to be magnanimous or fair to the guy at all. I just believe him when he says he didn't see me, not that that should be a valid excuse.

He shouldn't have followed and I'm glad that he was pulled over, I was asked by the Garda if I wanted to follow this through and I said yes.

I'm sick of it too, I had read the situation and had my fingers on the brakes in case he did make the turn, had I not I'd be in the hospital now.

ED E · 12-06-2017 7:18pm

BTW on the bell front, using something a little louder is great for attracting Gardai to somebody's stupidity even if technically not a bell

P_1 · 12-06-2017 7:20pm

Got myself a nice nudge on the back wheel today from some fool who can't use his mirrors.

Top of Smithfield at the junction, planning to go straight ahead essentially crossing the street, this looper decides to shape as if to turn right but there is no right at that junction so I decided to hang back a second to see what he does. Low and behold he turns left in a big sweeping arc, proceeded with caution after him. However our friendly goon was clearly intending on turning right there as he stopped and started reversing. Clipped the back wheel, stayed upright and no damage to the bike (those singlespeeds appear to be bombproof).

Needless to say I stopped and gave him the bollocking of his life.

Corca Baiscinn · 12-06-2017 7:35pm

amcalester wrote: »

Yeah, but to be honest I wish he'd just been more observant and waited until I had passed through the junction.

He told the Garda that he didn't see me but I was wearing hi-vis so not sure how that's possible.

Maybe the Garda could tell his colleagues that high-viz isn't the panacea they seem to think it is. (Launch of bike Week at Store St last week) and then maybe they could tell the RSA (ditto last week Moyagh Murdock) there's none so blind.............

amcalester · 12-06-2017 7:41pm

Corca Baiscinn wrote: »

Maybe the Garda could tell his colleagues that high-viz isn't the panacea they seem to think it is. (Launch of bike Week at Store St last week) and then maybe they could tell the RSA (ditto last week Moyagh Murdock) there's none so blind.............

I'll mention it to her if/when she gets in touch.

Weepsie · 12-06-2017 8:13pm

Had one/two on Saturday. On a charity spin and it was partially on the course of the Munster TT near Patrickswell in Limerick. Loads of cyclists about, and signs and us on our spin too.

As i was going through the town a van pulled out from a car park right in front of me. It slowed then, then took off. It moved a bit to the right of the lane and continued on. I stayed behind a bit to see if it was turning left again. Still it continued to veer to the right of the lane. I wrongly took this as a chance to proceed past it when it went to turn left without indicating and just about contorted myself and bike enough to avoid him.

I am convinced he was waiting for me to go by him.

Chiparus · 12-06-2017 8:49pm

Another driver has to get to the end of the next line of traffic faster!

Note the "L" plates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9urGmxINgPM

He got stuck just the other side of the roundabout , but I was turning right off the roundabout.

degsie · 12-06-2017 8:53pm

Chiparus wrote: »

Another driver has to get to the end of the next line of traffic faster!

Note the "L" plates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9urGmxINgPM

He got stuck just the other side of the roundabout , but I was turning right off the roundabout.

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Arcade_Tryer · 12-06-2017 10:16pm

Given the recent road deaths, and the common incendiary media commentary concerning cyclists, it seems strange that the RSA have not released a campaign aimed at alerting motorists to cyclist safety. Maybe one of those classic motor crash style ads could be used to show a cyclist being rear ended around a bend or cut across at a junction? Graphic, human, traumatic; it's what people respond to.

Chiparus · 12-06-2017 10:33pm

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Given the recent road deaths, and the common incendiary media commentary concerning cyclists, it seems strange that the RSA have not released a campaign aimed at alerting motorists to cyclist safety. Maybe one of those classic motor crash style ads could be used to show a cyclist being rear ended around a bend or cut across at a junction? Graphic, human, traumatic; it's what people respond to.

There has been some comments by individuals on the rsa
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/drivers-do-not-own-the-road-450174.html

But this would run contrary to the RSA trying to force cyclists onto unsafe cycle lanes : i.e. "Drivers do own the road"
https://lovindublin.com/news/cyclists-could-soon-be-restricted-only-to-cycle-lanes-in-dublin

clearly RSA are unsure what they mean by "share the road"

Arcade_Tryer · 12-06-2017 11:00pm

Chiparus wrote: »

There has been some comments by individuals on the rsa
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/drivers-do-not-own-the-road-450174.html

But this would run contrary to the RSA trying to force cyclists onto unsafe cycle lanes : i.e. "Drivers do own the road"
https://lovindublin.com/news/cyclists-could-soon-be-restricted-only-to-cycle-lanes-in-dublin

clearly RSA are unsure what they mean by "share the road"

Compulsory use of cycle lanes in the city is absurd.

My point was that the RSA should release one of those "shall I tell you about my life" ads they often run for RTAs, but involving a cyclist(s), maybe a child on the back of the bike, and subsequent life changing injuries or death. Something to get people thinking and talking. At the moment, the discourse consists of divisive cyclists v drivers nonsense, fuelled by the media, and certain irresponsible radio presenters.

Vel · 14-06-2017 9:19am

Coming through Ranelagh this morning towards town and my front wheel goes through the lights just as they start to turn amber. I never break lights and will always stop if they hit amber just as I am arriving, even if technically I could still sail through like the reams of cars and other cyclists that tend to!

Usually in those cases where I have just made it through before an amber, I am buffered by a couple of cars breaking the amber and sometimes a red, but it was early so I was the last bit of traffic making my way through with a side road up ahead with two lanes of traffic waiting to come out right and left. The two cars waiting had already nudged out into the bike lane so before I arrive there I move out slightly anyway but one of them still continues to move out, eyes locked on me, can see me coming but is not planning to stop.

Old bint with a terribly bad dye job and a big fancy car!

She then rolls down her window a tiny bit and tells me that I broke the light. I explained that I hadn't and she tells me I had. At this stage I am in front of her car and she is inching closer and closer. We repeat the same lines a few more times each until she obviously tires of having to converse with such a peasant and starts to roll her window back up, with a parting 'get a car' :rolleyes:

So I called her a silly old b*tch - not my finest moment, but it was early, I was grumpy and she WAS one, and went on my merry way!

tomasrojo · 14-06-2017 9:28am

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Given the recent road deaths, and the common incendiary media commentary concerning cyclists, it seems strange that the RSA have not released a campaign aimed at alerting motorists to cyclist safety. Maybe one of those classic motor crash style ads could be used to show a cyclist being rear ended around a bend or cut across at a junction? Graphic, human, traumatic; it's what people respond to.

I think the most likely response to such a campaign would be to give up cycling.

I don't think the smashed-glass-and-graves ads really do make people think all that differently. Sensitive people already drive responsibly, and oafs never think these things apply to them.

Moflojo · 14-06-2017 9:38am

Vel wrote: »

Old bint with a terribly bad dye job and a big fancy car!

So I called her a silly old b*tch - not my finest moment, but it was early, I was grumpy and she WAS one, and went on my merry way!

Doctor Bob · 14-06-2017 10:32am

Has this been posted already?

https://twitter.com/lukesmith12/status/874228235533504512

Kaisr Sose · 14-06-2017 10:39am

That's dangerous driving at speed. Never yielded before merging

ED E · 14-06-2017 11:03am

Doctor Bob wrote: »

Has this been posted already?

https://twitter.com/lukesmith12/status/874228235533504512

Piss poor response from the bobbies.

Moflojo · 14-06-2017 11:08am

Doctor Bob wrote: »

Has this been posted already?

"Fuuuuuuh....." - my reaction when watching that.

You know when you've seen so many of these videos and you reckon you know what's going to happen, and then something even more ludicrous happens?! I was watching it with my 'Robocop' vision on, scanning and identifying potential suspects, and then that crazy lethal driver comes out of nowhere. I think I'd have been going for a quick sit down in the grass verge after that one.

ThisRegard · 14-06-2017 11:16am

Look at the guys Twitter feed, a day or two later at the same roundabout an artic pulls right in front of him causing him to have to stop on the roundabout.

Doctor Bob · 14-06-2017 12:06pm

Moflojo wrote: »

"Fuuuuuuh....." - my reaction when watching that.

You know when you've seen so many of these videos and you reckon you know what's going to happen, and then something even more ludicrous happens?! I was watching it with my 'Robocop' vision on, scanning and identifying potential suspects, and then that crazy lethal driver comes out of nowhere. I think I'd have been going for a quick sit down in the grass verge after that one.

My reaction exactly. I got to about the 18th second and thought 'He's being over sensitive, none of those cars went particularly close', then HOLY SHIIII!!

AndrewJRenko · 14-06-2017 12:29pm

https://twitter.com/CitizenW0lf/status/874961179592011776

BoardsMember · 14-06-2017 12:32pm

You need to train that dog to identify potential near misses and bark accordingly!

Kaisr Sose · 14-06-2017 12:35pm

Doctor Bob wrote: »

My reaction exactly. I got to about the 18th second and thought 'He's being over sensitive, none of those cars went particularly close', then HOLY SHIIII!!

Exactly what I was thinking ...waiting for the money shot and then back, never seen that coming!

punisher5112 · 14-06-2017 12:37pm

The dog can type and post videos wow.... I know it was close but at least no speed involved.

ThisRegard · 14-06-2017 12:55pm

I'd subscribe to his channel just to watch that dogs head bobbing around.

ThisRegard · 14-06-2017 12:58pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

The dog can type and post videos wow.... I know it was close but at least no speed involved.

A similar video in the dash camera thread but with the video from a car would have about a million thanks and a posse forming.

mr spuckler · 14-06-2017 1:02pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

I'd subscribe to his channel just to watch that dogs head bobbing around.

that dog is brilliant! the guy has posted a video before of the dog running along the seafront by clontarf and right along alfie byrne road while he cycles nearby. i passed him this morning at the end of the cycle path on alfie byrne road, just as the dog was obediently hopping back in

:cool:

punisher5112 · 14-06-2017 1:30pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

A similar video in the dash camera thread but with the video from a car would have about a million thanks and a posse forming.

Ah will ya stop I was in no way saying it was OK.

Just both were hardly moving at all. So if there was a tip it would be minimal unless he was ran over of course.

People make mistakes in all vehicles and walking and just in general.

Annie get your Run · 14-06-2017 1:37pm

mr spuckler wrote: »

that dog is brilliant! the guy has posted a video before of the dog running along the seafront by clontarf and right along alfie byrne road while he cycles nearby. i passed him this morning at the end of the cycle path on alfie byrne road, just as the dog was obediently hopping back in :cool:

Raven, coolest dog on the planet, isn't citizen wolf a boardsie too?

mr spuckler · 14-06-2017 1:44pm

Annie get your Run wrote: »

Raven, coolest dog on the planet, isn't citizen wolf a boardsie too?

the name rings a bell alright. i must chat to him (Raven, not CW

) some morning, i see him quite often on my commute.

AndrewJRenko · 14-06-2017 1:48pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

People make mistakes in all vehicles and walking and just in general.

That's true. But when cyclists or pedestrians make mistakes, they don't kill other people.

Arcade_Tryer · 14-06-2017 3:01pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

I think the most likely response to such a campaign would be to give up cycling.

By that logic, people would give up driving after witnessing such ads involving motorists.

I don't think the smashed-glass-and-graves ads really do make people think all that differently. Sensitive people already drive responsibly, and oafs never think these things apply to them.

They really do. Otherwise they would not be used, especially given their graphic/offensive nature etc. They may not significantly change people's behaviour long term, but they generate a discussion, and cause people to stop to think just for a moment when done correctly. Such ads can be effective, and if cyclists are to be considered equal and valid road users like cars, then such ads should be utilised imo. People are more affected by blood and tragedy than safety and sensitivity.

tomasrojo · 14-06-2017 3:37pm

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

By that logic, people would give up driving after witnessing such ads involving motorists.

People aren't nearly as scared of being killed when in a car. Also, they have the illusion of control when they're at the wheel.

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

They really do. Otherwise they would not be used, especially given their graphic/offensive nature etc.

No, their effect is small.

Without enforcement and/or education a mass media campaign has virtually no effect in terms of reducing the number of road accidents

Again, I'm sure they make sensitive people more aware. I'm sure they make people who walk or cycle more aware. But the thundering cretins who cause most serious injuries are not sensitive people, or people who habitually walk or cycle.

tomasrojo · 14-06-2017 3:43pm

Incidentally, the section devote to "fear" campaigns in that study is worth reading.

For example:

Even when people are sympathetic to the plight shown by the fear appeal and feel that the recommended precautions are both sensible and doable, the fear-appeal will not have the intended effect if people do not believe that the consequences shown will ever happen to them. Only if people feel that the portrayed consequences are relevant to themselves and feel they are able to take the preventive measures the campaign proposes, does the fear-appeal have a chance to work.

And the contrast with the Netherlands (I was vaguely aware that they do a lot more joke-y campaigns):

In the Netherlands, for example, there is a long tradition of road safety advertising with an emphasis on humour rather than fear. This in contrast to countries such as Australia, New Zealand, the United States, and Great Britain that often show explicit pictures of crashes, casualties, injuries and blood, and the related emotions of pain, sorrow and grief of traffic victims and relatives

The Netherlands campaign to tell cyclists that they needed to use lights, but that lights attached to their person rather than the bike were acceptable was effective, and it didn't feature any unlit cyclists being pitchforked into eternity.

Chuchote · 14-06-2017 5:05pm

Behavioural theory suggests that ads aren't effective because they don't happen at the time you're carrying out a behaviour.

If you're training a dog, for instance, it is more important to reward "four paws on the floor" the dog is about to leap up on someone - though of course you have to train it beforehand.

My own feeling would be that random rewards for good driving behaviour would work much better for changing driving behaviour - eg have a bunch of 'good fairies' on bikes or mopeds who'd knock randomly at drivers' windows at lights and hand them a certificate and a token for a meal or a film or a concert, specifically saying "You signalled in good time" or "You gave that cyclist a wide berth" or "You stopped on the orange". (I don't know how this could work for mobile phone use :pac: ) The fact that a nice reward is a possibility often makes for better behaviour than a threat would. (Like the famous Bangalore scheme that ended dodging bus fares by running a lottery on bus tickets.)

Unknown Soldier · 14-06-2017 6:56pm

Moflojo wrote: »

"Fuuuuuuh....." - my reaction when watching that.

You know when you've seen so many of these videos and you reckon you know what's going to happen, and then something even more ludicrous happens?! I was watching it with my 'Robocop' vision on, scanning and identifying potential suspects, and then that crazy lethal driver comes out of nowhere. I think I'd have been going for a quick sit down in the grass verge after that one.

It's not actually that nice when it's not a near miss. Quite sore really.

I was going around the walkinstown roundabout when the following happened Jan 2015

That nano-second before impact..

And then lying on a very busy roundabout...

Chuchote · 14-06-2017 6:59pm

That roundabout in Walkinstown is absolutely terrifying. Incredibly confusing when you're driving through it, horrible to cycle. Hope you're better.

amcalester · 14-06-2017 7:01pm

I usually give KN Group branded vehicles a wide berth.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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