Steps to get good friday alcohol ban overturned.

Itssoeasy · 18-03-2017 8:22pm

ygolometsipe wrote: »

I am not Catholic, I don't believe I will go to hell for drinking alcohol on
Good Friday. I know I am a minority in Ireland in this regard but why are my rights ignored on Good Friday and what if any steps could I take to get this overturned?

Note: its not about the alcohol, its about imposing religious dogma on non
religious citizens.

The intoxicating liquor act of 1927 which was last amended in 2008 is the reason why the pubs are closed on good Friday and Christmas Day and up to the early sixties so was paddys day. So let's stop this religion excuse.

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 8:30pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The intoxicating liquor act of 1927 which was last amended in 2008 is the reason why the pubs are closed on good Friday and Christmas Day and up to the early sixties so was paddys day. So let's stop this religion excuse.

Lol. Only someone devoid of any understanding of the confessional nature of the Irish state and its domination by the RCC or someone deliberately ignoring it could claim that. Let's spell it out: we all know the statute. The statute exists to give legal force in civil law to religious viewpoint of one sect. Those days are gone.

And the thread continues in circles. It really has all been said.

TheRiverman · 18-03-2017 8:30pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The intoxicating liquor act of 1927 which was last amended in 2008 is the reason why the pubs are closed on good Friday and Christmas Day and up to the early sixties so was paddys day. So let's stop this religion excuse.

Just wondering did the Catholic Church have any influence over the Intoxicating Liquor Act back in 1927?

TheRiverman · 18-03-2017 8:45pm

Maybe straying from the point a bit,but the abstaining from meat on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday is another silly one.I can eat a full salmon,trout etc if I am able,yet I cannot touch a sausage or a wing of a chicken.Crazy.

infogiver · 18-03-2017 8:49pm

Fleawuss wrote: »

So you have finally begun to face the fact. Well done it's progress. However you continue with your vicious characterization of people who have different views to your religious ones and now think that you can recommend that I seek help. You must realize se that you have absolutely no credibility left in this thread. You are desperately throwing insults around trying to derail the thread.

Please just admit that you want religious observance enforced by civil law and all your arguments are spurious smokescreens to advance your religious agenda. It is actually doing great damage to the religious agenda to see such abuse and abandonment of religious values of love your enemy for your approach. If we hadn't seen the utter hypocrisy of the Church over the last 25 years it might be a surprise but it's not.

Public space free from enforcement of religious observance through civil law. And that applies to all the religions.

Your efforts at appearing condescending and patronising in the face of hard facts only further enhance the image you portray of someone who is either suffering from serious issues or drunk.
You've persisted in bringing a religious aspect to the argument to the extent where you appear to be what we used to refer to as a "religious maniac". Are you a religious maniac fleawuss?
I can only come to the conclusion that you simply don't have the intellectual capacity to grasp the concept of employment law that deals with annual leave and public holidays as you make no reference to the Organisation of Working Time Act which is the piece of legislation which applies in this case.
You attempt, instead, to foam at the mouth about some religious nonsense in an effort to distract from your own limitations in which you are, incidentally, drowning.
Admit that you have lost the argument. That you never had an argument and that you haven't really a bogging clue what your on about.

infogiver · 18-03-2017 8:52pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

Maybe straying from the point a bit,but the abstaining from meat on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday is another silly one.I can eat a full salmon,trout etc if I am able,yet I cannot touch a sausage or a wing of a chicken.Crazy.

Who has prevented you from eating a sausage or a chicken wing? Who where and when?

infogiver · 18-03-2017 8:55pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

Just wondering did the Catholic Church have any influence over the Intoxicating Liquor Act back in 1927?

Probably. Possibly. But that was 90 years ago. Why don't you lobby your TD to have the law changed? We've SSM and a huge crowd are lobbying for abortion on demand. If it's very important to you you should have no bother getting a movement behind you.
I'll sign your petition or whatever.

infogiver · 18-03-2017 8:59pm

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Just wondering, I wanted to know were abouts in the bible Jesus advocates "nuking" countries.

I have no problem with people practising it no.

But the Bible doesn't set the rules for Catholics.
That's Canon Law.
You've been told this many times but it just seems to "whooosh" right over your head.

TheRiverman · 18-03-2017 9:04pm

infogiver wrote: »

Who has prevented you from eating a sausage or a chicken wing? Who where and when?

Maybe I could have phrased it better,but anyone who is a practising Catholic is "advised" "told to abstain" by the Catholic Church that on days of fast and abstinence meat is not to be eaten.

infogiver · 18-03-2017 9:11pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

Maybe I could have phrased it better,but anyone who is a practising Catholic is "advised" "told to abstain" by the Catholic Church that on days of fast and abstinence meat is not to be eaten.

Oh so you've never been told that you can't eat a sausage or a chicken wing.
And it turns out that nobody else has been told either.
It's advice that applies to people who want to be considered as Roman Catholics,
So that's not the same thing at all really.
There's a hell of a difference between feeling that it's against state laws to eat a sausage, and rules that apply to members of a club which they belong to on a voluntary basis.

Dravokivich · 18-03-2017 9:41pm

infogiver wrote: »

Good Friday isn't a public holiday but continues to be a bank holiday in that there are no public services, or professional services on Good Friday.
You keep mentioning religion. I've no idea why as I've never mentioned it once and it's completely irrelevant to my argument.
You are clearly obsessed with it and you should see someone about that because it's not good for you.
Back to the argument.
CD and GF are both BHs CD is also a public holiday.
On both days there are no public or professional services available.
You have failed over and over to explain why you are keen to end GF as a bank holiday and a day on which drink is prohibited and move it to another, non religious day, but refuse to discuss CD. Why?

It's becuase someone like you is suggesting take it or leave it over one holiday or the other. Frankly it should be done away with on both. Let the market decide if it's worth their while to be open on either day.

osarusan · 18-03-2017 9:56pm

infogiver wrote: »

There's a hell of a difference between feeling that it's against state laws to eat a sausage, and rules that apply to members of a club which they belong to on a voluntary basis.

It's this the whole point of the thread?

That, unlike eating meat, buying alcohol on Good Friday is not something that only applies to members of a club which they belong to on a voluntary basis, but is in fact, against state laws.

freshpopcorn · 18-03-2017 10:00pm

I honestly didn't read all of this thread but I think to get certain aspects of religion out of Ireland.They'll need a few new people on their side. IE get rid of Colm O'Gorman. He just rubs people up the wrong way.

18-03-2017 10:01pm

So it seems nobody has a problem with bank holidays originating from religious holidays, but they have a problem with licensing laws originating from the same religious holidays?

Double standards anyone??

18-03-2017 10:06pm

The whole thing irritates me, no drink sold on Good Friday, very archaic but I can just stock up on Good Thursday so I have gotten over it.

......... · 18-03-2017 10:06pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

Maybe straying from the point a bit,but the abstaining from meat on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday is another silly one.I can eat a full salmon,trout etc if I am able,yet I cannot touch a sausage or a wing of a chicken.Crazy.

What on earth are you talking about ? It's a recommendation for practicing Catholics for their own spiritual benefit and development, and doesn't apply to anyone else.

You can eat meat and drink alcohol and and anything else till it comes out your ears if you wish.

Jews for spiritual reasons don't eat pork, it doesn't for one second mean other people can't.

......... · 18-03-2017 10:10pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

Strange how if you are a practising Catholic with the pubs closed on Christmas Day you can drink yourself into oblivion at home without the "abstinence conscience" coming into play,yet on Good Friday with the pubs closed the same doesn't apply.

Practicing Catholics are actually not required to abstain from alcohol on good Friday, this has already been covered in the thread.

BalcombeSt4 · 18-03-2017 10:21pm

infogiver wrote: »

Your efforts at appearing condescending and patronising in the face of hard facts only further enhance the image you portray of someone who is either suffering from serious issues or drunk.
You've persisted in bringing a religious aspect to the argument to the extent where you appear to be what we used to refer to as a "religious maniac". Are you a religious maniac fleawuss?
I can only come to the conclusion that you simply don't have the intellectual capacity to grasp the concept of employment law that deals with annual leave and public holidays as you make no reference to the Organisation of Working Time Act which is the piece of legislation which applies in this case.
You attempt, instead, to foam at the mouth about some religious nonsense in an effort to distract from your own limitations in which you are, incidentally, drowning.
Admit that you have lost the argument. That you never had an argument and that you haven't really a bogging clue what your on about.

There called Loyalists.

KKkitty · 18-03-2017 10:27pm

There's arguments for and against this but for me a big part of me wanting this to stay as it is is that people who work in pubs or venues that serve alcohol get a day off. It may be a relatively boring day but if you wish to drink stock up the day before.

18-03-2017 10:29pm

KKkitty wrote: »

There's arguments for and against this but for me a big part of me wanting this to stay as it is is that people who work in pubs or venues that serve alcohol get a day off. It may be a relatively boring day but if you wish to drink stock up the day before.

I don't understand how there could be any argument for keeping the ban though, what is the argument?

I completely agree about stocking up too, it's not much of an encumbrance really but it's out of principal it's an issue.

BalcombeSt4 · 18-03-2017 10:29pm

infogiver wrote: »

But the Bible doesn't set the rules for Catholics.
That's Canon Law.
You've been told this many times but it just seems to "whooosh" right over your head.

Your the only person who's ever told me this.

KKkitty · 18-03-2017 10:34pm

222233 wrote: »

I don't understand how there could be any argument for keeping the ban though, what is the argument?

I completely agree about stocking up too, it's not much of an encumbrance really but it's out of principal it's an issue.

I get what you're saying but Good Friday and Christmas Day are the only times where pubs have to close for the day. There's ample opportunity to drink in pubs the rest of the year.

18-03-2017 10:37pm

KKkitty wrote: »

I get what you're saying but Good Friday and Christmas Day are the only times where pubs have to close for the day. There's ample opportunity to drink in pubs the rest of the year.

I absolutely completely agree with you and think it's great for staff, but I can't think of any founded argument as to why it should be kept in place. Again as I say I really don't dwell on it, I can buy drink anytime.

murpho999 · 18-03-2017 10:38pm

KKkitty wrote: »

There's arguments for and against this but for me a big part of me wanting this to stay as it is is that people who work in pubs or venues that serve alcohol get a day off. It may be a relatively boring day but if you wish to drink stock up the day before.

Where does the idea come from that people who work in pubs not get any time off?

They work the same hours as most people and get holidays etc.

Ridiculous argument.

end of the road · 18-03-2017 10:40pm

KKkitty wrote: »

There's arguments for and against this but for me a big part of me wanting this to stay as it is is that people who work in pubs or venues that serve alcohol get a day off. It may be a relatively boring day but if you wish to drink stock up the day before.

the arguments against the bann far outweigh the non-arguments for it to remain though. if all businesses were banned from trading good friday then certainly as much as it would be inconvenient there would be no issue from me, because the rules would be equal and across all businesses. in terms of good friday and christmas day only 1 business is banned from trading via law and that is wrong. all or none in my view. it's about equality rather then not being able to go into a pub. i don't go to pubs myself anyway so the bann doesn't effect me, but there really is no argument for it to remain.
even if the penalties for publicans being caught opening were lowered as much as possible that would work if removing the bann was such an issue for people.

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 10:41pm

infogiver wrote: »

Your efforts at appearing condescending and patronising in the face of hard facts only further enhance the image you portray of someone who is either suffering from serious issues or drunk.
You've persisted in bringing a religious aspect to the argument to the extent where you appear to be what we used to refer to as a "religious maniac". Are you a religious maniac fleawuss?
I can only come to the conclusion that you simply don't have the intellectual capacity to grasp the concept of employment law that deals with annual leave and public holidays as you make no reference to the Organisation of Working Time Act which is the piece of legislation which applies in this case.
You attempt, instead, to foam at the mouth about some religious nonsense in an effort to distract from your own limitations in which you are, incidentally, drowning.
Admit that you have lost the argument. That you never had an argument and that you haven't really a bogging clue what your on about.

The level of personalized abuse speaks volumes about who has won the argument.

.

It's very simple and no amount of smokescreen can hide it, not even the OWTA. The ban on alcohol sales on GF is rooted in the pernicious influence of the RCC in this country. Goodbye and I hope you learn the virtue of Christian charity at some future stage.

18-03-2017 10:45pm

And again, i will say.......

bubblypop wrote: »

So it seems nobody has a problem with bank holidays originating from religious holidays, but they have a problem with licensing laws originating from the same religious holidays?

Double standards anyone??

Itssoeasy · 18-03-2017 10:48pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The intoxicating liquor act of 1927 which was last amended in 2008 is the reason why the pubs are closed on good Friday and Christmas Day and up to the early sixties so was paddys day. So let's stop this religion excuse.

Just wondering did the Catholic Church have any influence over the Intoxicating Liquor Act back in 1927?

Yes but not in 2008.

infogiver · 18-03-2017 11:08pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Where does the idea come from that people who work in pubs not get any time off?

They work the same hours as most people and get holidays etc.

Ridiculous argument.

Do you have to be available for work 363 days a year?

infogiver · 18-03-2017 11:10pm

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Your the only person who's ever told me this.

So we'll never again see you refer to the Bible as the source of Catholic rules and regs?

KKkitty · 18-03-2017 11:13pm

I worked in a hotel years ago. Sometimes if someone from the bar called in sick they'd have to ring someone who was on their day off to come in. Just because you're given a day off in hospitality it doesn't mean you're going to get it.

infogiver · 18-03-2017 11:15pm

Fleawuss wrote: »

The level of personalized abuse speaks volumes about who has won the argument. .

It's very simple and no amount of smokescreen can hide it, not even the OWTA. The ban on alcohol sales on GF is rooted in the pernicious influence of the RCC in this country. Goodbye and I hope you learn the virtue of Christian charity at some future stage.

"Personalised abuse". LOL.

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 11:22pm

infogiver wrote: »

"Personalised abuse". LOL.

Exactly. You're the gift that keeps giving.

infogiver · 18-03-2017 11:27pm

Fleawuss wrote: »

Exactly. You're the gift that keeps giving.

And your like the Duracell bunny.

Christy42 · 18-03-2017 11:30pm

bubblypop wrote: »

And again, i will say.......

Is anywhere forced to close on a bank holiday? As long as they can stay open if they wish I don't see the issue.

Though you also add weekends to your example.

Sam Kade · 18-03-2017 11:40pm

ygolometsipe wrote: »

I am not Catholic, I don't believe I will go to hell for drinking alcohol on
Good Friday. I know I am a minority in Ireland in this regard but why are my rights ignored on Good Friday and what if any steps could I take to get this overturned?

Note: its not about the alcohol, its about imposing religious dogma on non
religious citizens.

If you want to drink alcohol on good Friday you don't have to go to a pub to get it. With that logic your rights are not ignored.

Prime Irish Beef · 18-03-2017 11:41pm

Going to the off licence the day before Good Friday like......

18-03-2017 11:48pm

Christy42 wrote: »

Is anywhere forced to close on a bank holiday? As long as they can stay open if they wish I don't see the issue.

Though you also add weekends to your example.

But licensing laws say i can't buy drink in a shop after 10pm
Licensing laws forbid me from buying alcohol on good Friday or Christmas day.
I can't buy alcohol before 10am in the morning.
So the problem is obviously licensing laws

......... · 19-03-2017 12:15am

bubblypop wrote: »

But licensing laws say i can't buy drink in a shop after 10pm
Licensing laws forbid me from buying alcohol on good Friday or Christmas day.
I can't buy alcohol before 10am in the morning.
So the problem is obviously licensing laws

The licencing laws, and the selling restrictions for a licence, relate to licensed sellers. Nothing to do with prohibiting you from buying.

19-03-2017 12:22am

......... wrote: »

The licencing laws, and the selling restrictions for a licence, relate to licensed sellers. Nothing to do with prohibiting you from buying.

You can't buy if licencing laws prohibit the sales of intoxicating liquor!

murpho999 · 19-03-2017 12:28am

infogiver wrote: »

Do you have to be available for work 363 days a year?

No and nor do bar staff.

You really just seem to come here to pick arguments with people.

Gbear · 19-03-2017 5:01pm

infogiver wrote: »

Bar staff have to be available to work 363 days of the year. They get there 20 days holidays and PH like everyone else. One of the AL days happens to be fixed as GF, the other is CD. In an industry where mon to fri doesn't exist this allows them to plan off duty time with no quibble at least twice a year.

I would like you to point out to me where your "rights" as a person include a "right" to go into a pub and be served drink by another person.

What industry do you work in? Is your place of employment open to the public 363 days a year? Is part of your employment contract that you have to be available 363 days? If not then why not? Surely it's my right as a member of the public that I be able to access whatever business you are in for at least 363 days?
If you want to take GF off them

Again, pubs aren't the only place to buy drink.
The ban includes supermarkets and offies.

Pubs have no obligation to sell me anything on any day. There shouldn't however be an imposition on the part of the state.

There's nothing stopping them closing whenever they like.

This obviously isn't the purpose of the law so your point is irrelevant but even so, arbitrarily closing businesses isn't a valid use of state power and is fundamentally wrong and banning alcohol sales isn't doing that anyway.

If you're arguing that the state should be able to arbitrarily close businesses down for a period of time to give staff time off, go right ahead, but that's not what this law does.

marialouise · 08-04-2017 12:14am

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/good-friday-alcohol-sales-ban-to-be-abolished-1.3041196
From 2018 it looks like the ban might be lifted!

Kermit.de.frog · 08-04-2017 12:17am

It's one day. TBH I don't mind it, religious or not. Anything that helps lower drinking in Ireland even for just a day seems positive to me.

end of the road · 08-04-2017 1:12am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's one day. TBH I don't mind it, religious or not. Anything that helps lower drinking in Ireland even for just a day seems positive to me.

it actually doesn't lower drinking though.

SPDUB · 08-04-2017 4:12am

Reading that Irish Times story it seems that the bill , proposed by independents , would only lift the ban for pubs .

The Government would need to incorporate into their alcohol bill for it to be a general lifting of the ban

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-04-2017 4:34am

Judeo-Christian culture forged the values of the west. Created our civilisation.

You can be very thankful for what they did for all of you.

Try growing up in an Islamic country maybe instead.

08-04-2017 5:04am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Judeo-Christian culture forged the values of the west. Created our civilisation.

You can be very thankful for what they did for all of you.

How do you know we would be better or worse off without Judeo-Christian culture?

Try growing up in an Islamic country maybe instead.

This is a lesser evil fallacy but, ironically, Islam was inspired by Judaism and Christianity. It's just that Europeans have almost always been ahead of the MENA region due to human evolution. The most modern and progressive civilizations are the ones that inhabit cold, temperate climates where agriculture flourishes. You learn more and work harder when the weather is cool.

I'm not sure of the evolutionary explanation behind why we are more civilized, but learning how to cultivate the land stimulated our intellects to the extent that most Europeans know religion is illogical. This is why ethnic groups, whose ancestors inhabited temperate climates, have the highest IQs and are the most innovative when it comes to technology.

But on a more pertinent matter, this Good Friday ban is a load of bolllocks and drink should be sold 24/7/365.

BuilderPlumber · 08-04-2017 5:53am

Lets give those lovely clowns in the NBRU/AAA this mission and get the buses back on the road. We all know these insulters of socialism love an auld pint. In fact, they have been drinking pints the last 2 weeks instead of doing the job they are paid to do. Living the dream of the capitalist pigs they are. In fact, they are getting paid to drink pints all day and chat and do poor imitations of Elvis and John Wayne. These idiots when they have time on their hands are dangerous and have been idle since the Water protest. Get the buses on the road and change the struggle now to the right to drink in a pub on Good Friday!!!

BuilderPlumber · 08-04-2017 5:59am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Judeo-Christian culture forged the values of the west. Created our civilisation.

You can be very thankful for what they did for all of you.

Try growing up in an Islamic country maybe instead.

I cannot understand ever why alcohol gets banned in some places. All I know is it has not a thing to do with Christianity or Islam which do not ban it. Drunkenness that causes harm to others is what they ban, not alcoholic drink. I gather it was banned in hot Middle Eastern countries in the pre-oil days because water was a scarce resource and people frowned on it being used for what was considered a non-essential product in a drought. Sadly, the fascists who rule much of the Middle East now use these 'traditional' laws to repress the people and keep them down ... while they themselves wallow in their alcohol fuelled debauchery.

Good Friday here in Ireland is similar. I think it is largely considered a day off for pubs and the vintners have insisted on it.

Steps to get good friday alcohol ban overturned.

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