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Steps to get good friday alcohol ban overturned.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Drink at home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,179 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    As for why the GF ban still exists, I'd say the vintners association. It is a day off for the publicans pure and simple. Especially when it is a quiet night of the week in many pubs anyway.

    In Galway, anyways, most of them are busy inside their pubs doing maintenance work that cannot be done when there will be punters back in the building in a few hours. It's actually quite handy for them to have a common day when they're all closed. Many would prefer that it wasn't a bank holiday, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Probably an atheist.

    So what if he is?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭hungry hypno toad


    So what if he is?

    Explains his obsession with catholicism. If someone says they are catholic and has been baptised etc then they are catholic, regardless of what he thinks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    "Whining", "allegedly", "inordinate", "we", "hate heart attack". Distorted view of the thread.

    It's irrelevant if the day is of some other religious significance because it will be chosen at random and declared alcohol free day for public health reasons with a clear rationale not based on the religious practice. How could you possibly object? Unless of course "your god" loses. :D

    You want the fixed day of closure moved to another date because the current fixed day is a day of religious importance and that affects your delicate fragile sensibilities. Ok done.
    So now tell us what day you want Christmas Day moved to,
    Because CD is no different, in fact it's worse.
    A religious holiday when not just pubs but (bar some petrol stations and family run shops) every thing is closed!!
    You must find it intolerable!!!
    How do you cope?!?
    Anyway, go ahead and tell us which too none religious holidays calendar dates you've picked for the pubs to close.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Explains his obsession with catholicism. If someone says they are catholic and has been baptised etc then they are catholic, regardless of what he thinks.

    What makes you think he has an obsession with Catholicism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭hungry hypno toad


    What makes you think he has an obsession with Catholicism.

    Because it is one of the characteristics of an Irish atheist.

    He is probably a Catholic living in denial.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    End of the road unable to back up his insulting claim that most Catholics are faking it. Hmm let me check out the census figures...yeah we live in Catholic country


    the census figures mean jot. most of the people putting down catholic on the census forms practice nothing of the catholic faith. they are the same people who only get their children confirmed and communed for a day out on the drink. now i don't have an issue with people wanting a day out on the drink, i enjoyed plenty of days out on the drink myself when i was younger. but to use religious sacraments as a reason for it is disrespectful. the reality is ireland isn't a catholic country, and the people claiming to be catholic when really they aren't and should just tell the truth that they are of no religion are taking the piss and disrespecting the religion.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    infogiver wrote: »
    You want the fixed day of closure moved to another date because the current fixed day is a day of religious importance and that affects your delicate fragile sensibilities. Ok done.
    So now tell us what day you want Christmas Day moved to,
    Because CD is no different, in fact it's worse.
    A religious holiday when not just pubs but (bar some petrol stations and family run shops) every thing is closed!!
    You must find it intolerable!!!
    How do you cope?!?
    Anyway, go ahead and tell us which too none religious holidays calendar dates you've picked for the pubs to close.

    I find the accusation of "delicate fragile sensibilities " from posters trying desperately to cling to the last vestiges of religious control laughable. Why does Good Friday matter to you so much. It's silly.

    And Goid Friday isn't a fixed day. It moves with the moon. :D.

    Look at all the exclamation marks. You are very worked up. Why so fragile? :D

    I already told you what to with the Good Friday closure.

    Read it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭hungry hypno toad


    the census figures mean jot. most of the people putting down catholic on the census forms practice nothing of the catholic faith. they are the same people who only get their children confirmed and communed for a day out on the drink. now i don't have an issue with people wanting a day out on the drink, i enjoyed plenty of days out on the drink myself when i was younger. but to use religious sacraments as a reason for it is disrespectful. the reality is ireland isn't a catholic country, and the people claiming to be catholic when really they aren't and should just tell the truth that they are of no religion are taking the piss and disrespecting the religion.

    B*ll*cks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Because it is one of the characteristics of an Irish atheist.

    He is probably a Catholic living in denial.
    Lol

    God, yeah it would be horrible to wake up one day to discover you belong to the Catholic church.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    B*ll*cks.

    Are you a Catholic by any chance?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Isn't it astonishing to see the outpourings of abuse and hatred from those defending this ban rooted in religious practice and the immaturity of the Irish state. Such hatred. Completely contrary to the teachings of Jesus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    And how do you know Catholics are lying on the census? Where is your evidence? Because Catholics sin they are not 'real Catholics? Dismissing the census because you don't like what you see is childish and immature.

    Sorry but your empirical evidence does not trump the census.

    Come on. People use Catholic in the census to mean that they were baptised Catholic. Many, probably most, are not believers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭hungry hypno toad


    Are you a Catholic by any chance?

    What if I am? Do you have a problem with Catholicism?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Isn't it astonishing to see the outpourings of abuse and hatred from those defending this ban rooted in religious practice and the immaturity of the Irish state. Such hatred. Completely contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

    I support the ban (as did most people on the first few pages) because I like that it annoys a certain type of drinker. Maybe every Friday should be alcohol free.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭hungry hypno toad


    I support the ban (as did most people on the first few pages) because I like that it annoys a certain type of drinker. Maybe every Friday should be alcohol free.

    Or every third Friday, just to cause confusion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Or every third Friday, just to cause confusion.

    Now we're seeing another element to the ban: spite about how other people choose to live their lives.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    I find the accusation of "delicate fragile sensibilities " from posters trying desperately to cling to the last vestiges of religious control laughable. Why does Good Friday matter to you so much. It's silly.

    And Goid Friday isn't a fixed day. It moves with the moon. :D.

    Look at all the exclamation marks. You are very worked up. Why so fragile? :D

    I already told you what to with the Good Friday closure.

    Read it.

    The date of GF moves every year but the fact that it is a gaurunteed day off for bar staff is fixed.
    But you know that.
    You are the poster incensed and overwhelmed with indignation and outrage over pubs being closed on a religious holiday, not me. Your sense of personal victimhood over this grave injustice is difficult for you to contain in fact.
    But there is another religious holiday on which the law says no pubs may open.
    Where's your indignation over Christmas Day? Where's your outrage? Your cry to have The law changed so that the pubs must be open on Christmas Day, IN FACT EVERYTHING OPEN. SHOPS PUBS POST OFFICES BANKS GPs SURGERIES SW OFFICES LOCAL AUTHORITIES TAX OFFICES, YOUR PLACE OF WORK FLEAWUSS
    Please don't ignore this time fleawuss.
    Or if you find you've no real answer, just admit it and move on.
    There's no difference between GF and CD. If you think there is please explain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    god this old chestnut *sigh*. haven't people heard of purchasing alcohol beforehand - in a shop/off licence if drinking means that much to them.
    it's a catholic/christian country. if the state/church wish for pubs to be closed on good friday, as on christmas day, then so be it.
    those getting themselves into a know over it need to cop on.

    publicians will never convince me that the amount spewnt on good friday will be the difference between them staying in business or not.

    we're supposed to respect traditions/laws in other countries and to accept or at least attempt to understand them so why can't this law here be accepted also.
    it's one day.

    For me it's nothing to do with not being able to get a drink for 24 hours, I can easily manage that.

    But the idea that I am denied the opportunity to purchase a drink on a certain day because of religion is just wrong.

    Alcohol doesn't always have to be about excess. A glass of wine with a meal is very pleasant . A beer or two on a Friday after work is a also very relaxing. I should be able to do this if I want to.

    The ban actually leads to more excess drinking as people stock up and/or have house parties. I myself would make sure to have alcohol on the day just for the spite of it.

    Your claim about Ireland being a catholic/christian country is wrong. Ireland is officially a secular state and there should not be laws stemming from religion on our statute books.

    You say, "f the state/church wish for pubs to be closed on good friday, as on christmas day, then so be it." This shows how your thinking is wrong as the church should not have any influence on the state or have the power to have pubs closed.
    If catholics don't want to drink on Good Friday then don't but let those that don't follow those beliefs do what they want.

    A law that closes pubs on Good Friday is also not a tradition as you put it either.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭hungry hypno toad


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Now we're seeing another element to the ban: spite about how other people choose to live their lives.

    Or a joke? Some people take this one day restriction far too seriously.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    murpho999 wrote: »
    For me it's nothing to do with not being able to get a drink for 24 hours, I can easily manage that.

    But the idea that I am denied the opportunity to purchase a drink on a certain day because of religion is just wrong.

    Alcohol doesn't always have to be about excess. A glass of wine with a meal is very pleasant . A beer or two on a Friday after work is a also very relaxing. I should be able to do this if I want to.

    The ban actually leads to more excess drinking as people stock up and/or have house parties. I myself would make sure to have alcohol on the day just for the spite of it.

    Your claim about Ireland being a catholic/christian country is wrong. Ireland is officially a secular state and there should not be laws stemming from religion on our statute books.

    You say, "f the state/church wish for pubs to be closed on good friday, as on christmas day, then so be it." This shows how your thinking is wrong as the church should not have any influence on the state or have the power to have pubs closed.
    If catholics don't want to drink on Good Friday then don't but let those that don't follow those beliefs do what they want.

    A law that closes pubs on Good Friday is also not a tradition as you put it either.

    ....but you've no problem with absolutely everything including pubs being closed on Christmas Day too.
    The pubs are closed by law on Christmas Day because it's a religious holiday.
    Please explain what the difference is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    infogiver wrote: »
    The date of GF moves every year but the fact that it is a gaurunteed day off for bar staff is fixed.
    But you know that.
    You are the poster incensed and overwhelmed with indignation and outrage over pubs being closed on a religious holiday, not me. Your sense of personal victimhood over this grave injustice is difficult for you to contain in fact.
    But there is another religious holiday on which the law says no pubs may open.
    Where's your indignation over Christmas Day? Where's your outrage? Your cry to have The law changed so that the pubs must be open on Christmas Day, IN FACT EVERYTHING OPEN. SHOPS PUBS POST OFFICES BANKS GPs SURGERIES SW OFFICES LOCAL AUTHORITIES TAX OFFICES, YOUR PLACE OF WORK FLEAWUSS
    Please don't ignore this time fleawuss.
    Or if you find you've no real answer, just admit it and move on.
    There's no difference between GF and CD. If you think there is please explain.

    the pubs opening on christmas day actually wouldn't be a bad thing. plenty of people out there who are on their own and the pub would potentially be a location for them to go to be with others at what can be a lonely time of year for them.
    infogiver wrote: »
    ....but you've no problem with absolutely everything including pubs being closed on Christmas Day too.
    The pubs are closed by law on Christmas Day because it's a religious holiday.
    Please explain what the difference is.

    the difference is that most other businesses also close on christmas day. in fact they may be legally obligated to do so. however on good friday, a single form of business is singled out for a bann on trade which is discriminatory and with out good reasoning and basis.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    infogiver wrote: »
    The date of GF moves every year but the fact that it is a gaurunteed day off for bar staff is fixed.
    But you know that.
    You are the poster incensed and overwhelmed with indignation and outrage over pubs being closed on a religious holiday, not me. Your sense of personal victimhood over this grave injustice is difficult for you to contain in fact.
    But there is another religious holiday on which the law says no pubs may open.
    Where's your indignation over Christmas Day? Where's your outrage? Your cry to have The law changed so that the pubs must be open on Christmas Day, IN FACT EVERYTHING OPEN. SHOPS PUBS POST OFFICES BANKS GPs SURGERIES SW OFFICES LOCAL AUTHORITIES TAX OFFICES, YOUR PLACE OF WORK FLEAWUSS
    Please don't ignore this time fleawuss.
    Or if you find you've no real answer, just admit it and move on.
    There's no difference between GF and CD. If you think there is please explain.

    Good Friday is nt a fixed day. You know that. Why are you close ngo g so desperately to this religious relic? Why are you so bitter and desperate to defend it? Look, admit it. You're a religious person who wants this religious ban upheld so you can impose your will on other people. Why are you trying to wriggle away from the GF issue. You know perfectly well CD is a public holiday. GF isn't. The key is PUBLIC as distinct from RELIGIOUS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    the pubs opening on christmas day actually wouldn't be a bad thing. plenty of people out there who are on their own and the pub would potentially be a location for them to go to be with others at what can be a lonely time of year for them.



    the difference is that most other businesses also close on christmas day. in fact they may be legally obligated to do so. however on good friday, a single form of business is singled out for a bann on trade which is discriminatory and with out good reasoning and basis.

    I disagree. If businesses are forced to close Christmas day they should be allowed open again. It can remain a bank holiday requiring more pay or whatever.

    However if they choose to close (as they will struggle to get staff/customers) then that is fine as they are choosing.

    Workers should get days off every year. I see no reason for the government to decide which ones. They can suggest with bank holidays but that is a different matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    infogiver wrote: »
    ....but you've no problem with absolutely everything including pubs being closed on Christmas Day too.
    The pubs are closed by law on Christmas Day because it's a religious holiday.
    Please explain what the difference is.

    Christmas is a bigger holiday and very centred around family time together, traditional dinner etc.

    I am not religious at all but enjoy Christmas festivities and the time off.

    The idea of going to the pub that day would seem odd.

    Good Friday is a working day for many people and pubs should not be singled out for closure.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    the pubs opening on christmas day actually wouldn't be a bad thing. plenty of people out there who are on their own and the pub would potentially be a location for them to go to be with others at what can be a lonely time of year for them.



    the difference is that most other businesses also close on christmas day. in fact they may be legally obligated to do so. however on good friday, a single form of business is singled out for a bann on trade which is discriminatory and with out good reasoning and basis.

    I don't see how the fact that every other private business chooses to close on Christmas Day (they are certainly not obliged by law to close on Christmas Day, indeed increasingly petrol stations and corner shops are open) has any bearing on the law regarding pubs closing on GF and CD.
    If you advocate for the pubs to be open by law on GF then you must advocate for them to be open on CD too.
    On reflection, Good Friday and Christmas Day are public service holidays only because they are religious holidays, Easter Monday too.
    So really if your antagonised and outraged over not being able to access pubs and other public services on Good Friday then you really need to be antagonised and outraged over Easter Monday St Patrick's Day and Easter Monday too.All religious holidays where the law says services are closed.
    Over to you EOTR.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Christmas is a bigger holiday and very centred around family time together, traditional dinner etc.

    I am not religious at all but enjoy Christmas festivities and the time off.

    The idea of going to the pub that day would seem odd.

    Good Friday is a working day for many people and pubs should not be singled out for closure.

    So....you observe Christmas ergo the pubs can be closed, you don't observe Good Friday so they should be open.
    You can ignore the fact that Christmas is a religious holiday but you can't ignore the fact that Good Friday is a religious holiday. When a religious holiday suits you the law is GOOD. When it doesn't suit you it's BAD.
    I see. Seems sensible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    infogiver wrote: »
    So....you observe Christmas ergo the pubs can be closed, you don't observe Good Friday so they should be open.
    You can ignore the fact that Christmas is a religious holiday but you can't ignore the fact that Good Friday is a religious holiday. When a religious holiday suits you the law is GOOD. When it doesn't suit you it's BAD.
    I see. Seems sensible.

    No, you're putting two and two together and making 5.

    I don't observe Christmas for the religion reasons but for the holiday. It's a holiday for the vast majority of people and I don't think publicans want to work that day either. It is also an excessive alcohol day for many too.

    Good Friday is not the same as Christmas, it is not a family day or a big event. Familes don't get together on Good Friday. It's a normal day for many. Everything is open except pubs and that should change.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    infogiver wrote: »
    So....you observe Christmas ergo the pubs can be closed, you don't observe Good Friday so they should be open.
    You can ignore the fact that Christmas is a religious holiday but you can't ignore the fact that Good Friday is a religious holiday. When a religious holiday suits you the law is GOOD. When it doesn't suit you it's BAD.
    I see. Seems sensible.

    Your confusion continues because you are rooted in religion. CD is a public holiday. I accept a public holiday. GF is religious observance enforced on all the public. That is outdated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    infogiver wrote: »
    I don't see how the fact that every other private business chooses to close on Christmas Day (they are certainly not obliged by law to close on Christmas Day, indeed increasingly petrol stations and corner shops are open) has any bearing on the law regarding pubs closing on GF and CD.
    If you advocate for the pubs to be open by law on GF then you must advocate for them to be open on CD too.
    On reflection, Good Friday and Christmas Day are public service holidays only because they are religious holidays, Easter Monday too.
    So really if your antagonised and outraged over not being able to access pubs and other public services on Good Friday then you really need to be antagonised and outraged over Easter Monday St Patrick's Day and Easter Monday too.All religious holidays where the law says services are closed.
    Over to you EOTR.

    only 1 business is singled out to be banned from trading by law on gf and christmas day. i believe that either the law should be removed and let the owners of those businesses decide if there is demand for their service like all other businesses, or the law should be extended to all businesses.
    if all businesses are banned from trading on a day, then as much as it maybe inconvenient, it is a fair situation as all are equal. equality and fairness are the issue here.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    murpho999 wrote: »
    No, you're putting two and two together and making 5.

    I don't observe Christmas for the religion reasons but for the holiday. It's a holiday for the vast majority of people and I don't think publicans want to work that day either. It is also an excessive alcohol day for many too.

    Good Friday is not the same as Christmas, it is not a family day or a big event. Familes don't get together on Good Friday. It's a normal day for many. Everything is open except pubs and that should change.

    This is nonsense. Schools are closed on Good Friday in Ireland. The children are at home. It's a holiday for the public service. Everyone in the public service is at home. For the Banks and building societies, for the PO, it's a 4 day weekend. It's a paid holiday for AGS. For a lot of family run businesses it's a holiday. If your travelling on public transport it's a holiday. No GPs are open on Good Friday. No non urgent hospital appointments are available. The Courts of the land are closed. You wouldn't be able to access a solicitor or an accountant or any other professional.
    Of course it's a "family day".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    infogiver wrote: »
    This is nonsense. Schools are closed on Good Friday in Ireland. The children are at home. It's a holiday for the public service. Everyone in the public service is at home. For the Banks and building societies, for the PO, it's a 4 day weekend. It's a paid holiday for AGS. For a lot of family run businesses it's a holiday. If your travelling on public transport it's a holiday. No GPs are open on Good Friday. No non urgent hospital appointments are available. The Courts of the land are closed. You wouldn't be able to access a solicitor or an accountant or any other professional.
    Of course it's a "family day".

    I work for an Irish company and will be working. Lots of businesses are working.
    Only religious schools will be closed. Which is most of them.

    Also, public transport runs as normal on the day so you're wrong there.
    All shops are open, as are garages, cinemas, coffee shops, fast food outlets etc.

    It is not the same as Christmas no matter what way you try to paint it .

    I really don't get what you're arguing about.

    Perhaps you need a drink.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Your confusion continues because you are rooted in religion. CD is a public holiday. I accept a public holiday. GF is religious observance enforced on all the public. That is outdated.

    Good Friday isn't a public holiday but continues to be a bank holiday in that there are no public services, or professional services on Good Friday.
    You keep mentioning religion. I've no idea why as I've never mentioned it once and it's completely irrelevant to my argument.
    You are clearly obsessed with it and you should see someone about that because it's not good for you.
    Back to the argument.
    CD and GF are both BHs CD is also a public holiday.
    On both days there are no public or professional services available.
    You have failed over and over to explain why you are keen to end GF as a bank holiday and a day on which drink is prohibited and move it to another, non religious day, but refuse to discuss CD. Why?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I work for an Irish company and will be working. Lots of businesses are working.
    Only religious schools will be closed. Which is most of them.

    Also, public transport runs as normal on the day so you're wrong there.
    All shops are open, as are garages, cinemas, coffee shops, fast food outlets etc.

    It is not the same as Christmas no matter what way you try to paint it .

    I really don't get what you're arguing about.

    Perhaps you need a drink.

    All schools are closed. Colleges. Universities.
    It's a bank holiday for the public service.
    The entire public service has a 4 day weekend.
    The Courts are closed Drs surgeries are closed dentists, all professional services.
    You don't understand the difference between public holiday and bank holiday.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I disagree. If businesses are forced to close Christmas day they should be allowed open again. It can remain a bank holiday requiring more pay or whatever.

    However if they choose to close (as they will struggle to get staff/customers) then that is fine as they are choosing.

    Workers should get days off every year. I see no reason for the government to decide which ones. They can suggest with bank holidays but that is a different matter.

    So we are losing public and bank holidays now? All to facilitate drinkers on good Friday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    infogiver wrote: »
    All schools are closed. Colleges. Universities.
    It's a bank holiday for the public service.
    The entire public service has a 4 day weekend.
    The Courts are closed Drs surgeries are closed dentists, all professional services.
    You don't understand the difference between public holiday and bank holiday.


    You really need some facts to back up your argument. I also note how you completely ignore points that show you are wrong such as public transport.

    Doctors and dentists are definitely open on Good Friday. I know as I have been to them on the day.

    So what about public services. What has that got to do with pubs being open?

    Also, just because I don't agree with you does not mean I do not understand the difference between bank and public holidays.

    You are picking a few niche services to justify your argument and not making any sense what so ever.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    So we are losing public and bank holidays now? All to facilitate drinkers on good Friday.

    It's less to facilitate drinkers (who will have arrangements in place for GF for months in advance and who aren't actually bothered about the pub closed) and more about the religious obsessed atheists with little else to occupy them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    murpho999 wrote: »
    You really need some facts to back up your argument. I also note how you completely ignore points that show you are wrong such as public transport.

    Doctors and dentists are definitely open on Good Friday. I know as I have been to them on the day.

    So what about public services. What has that got to do with pubs being open?

    Also, just because I don't agree with you does not mean I do not understand the difference between bank and public holidays.

    You are picking a few niche services to justify your argument and not making any sense what so ever.

    Well if you can point me to a GP that's open on GF I'll be glad to see it. I don't see how the schools being for 2 weeks as well as the entire public service is a niche service but I'm sure you can explain it.
    Just a sample

    https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Easter-Arrangements.aspx


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    infogiver wrote: »
    Good Friday isn't a public holiday but continues to be a bank holiday in that there are no public services, or professional services on Good Friday.
    You keep mentioning religion. I've no idea why as I've never mentioned it once and it's completely irrelevant to my argument.
    You are clearly obsessed with it and you should see someone about that because it's not good for you.
    Back to the argument.
    CD and GF are both BHs CD is also a public holiday.
    On both days there are no public or professional services available.
    You have failed over and over to explain why you are keen to end GF as a bank holiday and a day on which drink is prohibited and move it to another, non religious day, but refuse to discuss CD. Why?

    So you have finally begun to face the fact. Well done it's progress. However you continue with your vicious characterization of people who have different views to your religious ones and now think that you can recommend that I seek help. You must realize se that you have absolutely no credibility left in this thread. You are desperately throwing insults around trying to derail the thread.

    Please just admit that you want religious observance enforced by civil law and all your arguments are spurious smokescreens to advance your religious agenda. It is actually doing great damage to the religious agenda to see such abuse and abandonment of religious values of love your enemy for your approach. If we hadn't seen the utter hypocrisy of the Church over the last 25 years it might be a surprise but it's not.

    Public space free from enforcement of religious observance through civil law. And that applies to all the religions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    infogiver wrote: »
    Well if you can point me to a GP that's open on GF I'll be glad to see it. I don't see how the schools being for 2 weeks as well as the entire public service is a niche service but I'm sure you can explain it.
    Just a sample

    https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Easter-Arrangements.aspx

    There's one that a quick google finds

    Another one.

    As for schools, they take a whole easter break.

    Either way it's nothing to do with the point of pubs being forced to close on Good Friday.

    All the other ones you mention do so by choice whilst the majority of businesses are open on Good Friday and pubs should have that choice too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    What if I am? Do you have a problem with Catholicism?

    Just wondering, I wanted to know were abouts in the bible Jesus advocates "nuking" countries.

    I have no problem with people practising it no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    So we are losing public and bank holidays now? All to facilitate drinkers on good Friday.

    Don't misrepresent whst I posted. I was very clear that public and bank holidays would remain as is and yet you claim I said something entirely different. If you can't argue against me then don't misrepresent me.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    St Patrick's day is a bank holiday with its origins in religion.
    Maybe we should get rid of that too........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    I am not Catholic, I don't believe I will go to hell for drinking alcohol on
    Good Friday. I know I am a minority in Ireland in this regard but why are my rights ignored on Good Friday and what if any steps could I take to get this overturned?

    Note: its not about the alcohol, its about imposing religious dogma on non
    religious citizens.

    Would you ever get a grip of yourself! Your rights being ignored!!!

    I voted against practically everything that was proposed by the right, left, FF, FG and every other party and some propositions unfortunately got through but who really gives a s*** what you or I think???


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,371 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Why not ban alcohol sales on all bank holidays. Just to see what would happen. I don't like the goodfriday as some stupid link to an idiotic bishop years ago. Benefits should be assessed and then should none be seen, just stop it for all of them, including Christmas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Arrange a March march on Leinster (and the other provinces) House. Allow it descend into a drunken squirmish with the guards and passing back benchers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    bubblypop wrote: »
    St Patrick's day is a bank holiday with its origins in religion.
    Maybe we should get rid of that too........

    That's not the point. You're not banned from doing anything on the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Strange how if you are a practising Catholic with the pubs closed on Christmas Day you can drink yourself into oblivion at home without the "abstinence conscience" coming into play,yet on Good Friday with the pubs closed the same doesn't apply.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    murpho999 wrote: »
    That's not the point. You're not banned from doing anything on the day.

    But everyone seems to have a problem with the fact that the licensing laws are based on religion, so why be ok with bank holidays based on religion?


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