SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393

Stoner · 18-09-2016 11:38PM

keeponhurling wrote:

Bit surprised Fenton got a mention, but nonetheless Small a worthy winner

Fenton was very good imo. Andy Moran too

Lucy8080 · 19-09-2016 12:27AM

TheRiverman wrote: »

McCauley should have got a straight red for that round the neck tackle.

I.m.o. McCauley was playing the ball , was about to get taken out in air by the tackler, and ,neither winning the ball and seeing what was coming made a grab for something/anything to break his landing.His foot just touched the groung before the impact...which made it look worse on his part.

It looked ugly, but I reckon the ref understood the circumstances enough .

Yellow was the right call,for me.

McCauley was being tackled,not making a tackle.

yabadabado · 19-09-2016 12:32AM

Kauto wrote: »

I said it before the game. Mayo are more than a match for Dublin.
Predicted Rock would crumble under pressure and right on cue.....
Flynn and Brogan are past it.
If the replay was this Sat you would have to fancy Dublin with their access to recovery baths etc and not a 3/4 hour bus journey home.
Andrews and Mannion arethe only subs Dublin have of any worth. This so called great squad is a load of rubbish

LOL

19-09-2016 12:42AM

Obviously the two goals were the biggest point but I think the next biggest turning point/ talking point was Seamus O'Shea wasting four plays in a row when Mayo were on top.

They ended up going two points down again during the period after reeling Dublin back in.

There's no need for him to be out there, Dublin don't kick it to midfield same as all the contenders.
So if he's not catching/contesting possessions what's he offering in general play?... Nothing of note to me.

Dublin are the bench mark, they use two average height midfielders, basically if the player isn't good enough to play as a back or forward he has no place in midfield either.

Mayo would do well to disperse with the "traditional midfielder" for the replay and deploy similar players to MDMC and Fenton.

Bonniedog · 19-09-2016 01:28AM

yabadabado wrote: »

LOL

and people wonder why Dublin have three AIs in last 6 years, and Mayo have, eh, none!

As with drawn game against Kerry and Dublin, there will be only one outcome from this.

I've seriously never seen any supporters celebrate a draw as though it was a victory!

As for all that 1951 sh1te. Waterford haven't won a hurling All Ireland since 1959.

do they continually harp on about it? No. it means fk all.

Anyway, it will be 66 years by 7pm October 1

Biloxi Blues · 19-09-2016 02:05AM

Lucy8080 wrote: »

I.m.o. McCauley was playing the ball , was about to get taken out in air by the tackler, and ,neither winning the ball and seeing what was coming made a grab for something/anything to break his landing.His foot just touched the groung before the impact...which made it look worse on his part.

It looked ugly, but I reckon the ref understood the circumstances enough .

Yellow was the right call,for me.

McCauley was being tackled,not making a tackle.

Wha'??????? That's nearly as inventive as the "Philly couldn't see Donaghy's eyes so it couldn't be an eyegouge" excuse that was trotted out last year. Ball was gone, McAuley only had eyes for O'Connors neck and if it was in a sport like rugby where the refs have balls he would have got a straight red but Lane bottled it ( and McAuley knew he would) just like he bottled the black card Aidan O'Shea should have got and the red Diarmuid Connolly should have got.

Biloxi Blues · 19-09-2016 02:39AM

Faugheen wrote: »

Cillian O'Connor should have been off a clear black. The ref saved Mayo with that decision.

Swings and roundabouts pal. Maybe if your team concentrated on winning matches instead of getting players sent off you might have got over the line today.

A bit like last year when Jonny Cooper (who should have been banned after trying to break Diarmuid O'Connor's leg in the first match) spent the replay trying to get players sent off and succeeded with Séamus O Sé ? The Mayo lads have a lot to learn from the Dubs there. McAuley should have been gone for the foot trip long before before he took Cillian O'Connor out with that dangerous neck challenge. Dublin had benefit of most of the swings and roundabouts today, pal

Stoner · 19-09-2016 03:21AM

Biloxi Blues wrote:

A bit like last year when Jonny Cooper (who should have been banned after trying to break Diarmuid O'Connor's leg in the first match) spent the replay trying to get players sent off and succeeded with SÃ©amus O SÃ© ? The Mayo lads have a lot to learn from the Dubs there. McAuley should have been gone for the foot trip long before before he took Cillian O'Connor out with that dangerous neck challenge. Dublin had benefit of most of the swings and roundabouts today, pal

The same Diarmuid who broke Rory O'Carrolls nose in the first game off the ball caught on camera but played both games?

Cooper and SOS were at it SOS reacted and threw him to the ground and got sent off. That's SOS fault Cooper did not run to the ref

McCarthy has himself to blame for getting his card today but nobody played up to the ref for SOSs card last year that was his own fault all Cooper did was push him

Calm down with the breaking players legs over reaction. Have a look at Johnny Coopers face after the 2013 game he gets no change from Mayo. As discussed Diarmiud is no angel and nobody tried to break anyone's legs or neck as mentioned by another poster

No mention of Boyle staying on the field either with his antics today and the body check on John Small only getting a yellow he was subbed straight after it the Mayo line knew he was blessed to still be on the pitch if you want to talk about a mouthy players like Cooper check out Boyle he spent the day in people's faces again and running in on any controversy he could swinging out of players looking to start fights

Believe me whatever you feel about Cooper you have a beauty in Boyle in your own team. So if the Mayo lads need grinds Boyle can teach them.

Lucy8080 · 19-09-2016 04:18AM

Biloxi Blues wrote: »

Wha'??????? That's nearly as inventive as the "Philly couldn't see Donaghy's eyes so it couldn't be an eyegouge" excuse that was trotted out last year. Ball was gone, McAuley only had eyes for O'Connors neck and if it was in a sport like rugby where the refs have balls he would have got a straight red but Lane bottled it ( and McAuley knew he would) just like he bottled the black card Aidan O'Shea should have got and the red Diarmuid Connolly should have got.

I'll give you that one. Was watching at work ,saw ball coming mdma (and looking to be mdma's),mayo lad coming in to contest,I guess I blinked and missed that McCauley was in the air ( without the ball, by his own momentum and with a bad tackle) rather than coming out of the air .

Had the game recorded at home. Just saw the incedent without distraction.

I'll edit that post tomorrow, off to bed. Cheers for pointing it out!

Bonniedog · 19-09-2016 04:24AM

Biloxi Blues wrote: »

Wha'??????? That's nearly as inventive as the "Philly couldn't see Donaghy's eyes so it couldn't be an eyegouge" excuse that was trotted out last year. Ball was gone, McAuley only had eyes for O'Connors neck and if it was in a sport like rugby where the refs have balls he would have got a straight red but Lane bottled it ( and McAuley knew he would) just like he bottled the black card Aidan O'Shea should have got and the red Diarmuid Connolly should have got.

McAuley probably should have walked for the neck challenge.

But in a game when you have as4holes like keegan and o'shea dropping like sacks of potatoes, it becomes a bit like "boy who cried wolf".

People slag Tyrone but Mayo are the worst at this bollix.

Terrible thinkg to say but, from 70s perspective, good smack in mouth for COC, be what is needed. Tough Dublin team but still not got the ruthlessness of Doherty, Driscoll. Larkin, O'Neill.

Cillain and Lee would have been sucking fkn straws after their assaults on Johnny Small.

I trust old traditions be restored next day.

Jimmy played with Keith after all ......

Muff Richardson · 19-09-2016 10:24AM

Biloxi Blues wrote: »

the red Diarmuid Connolly should have got.

What did Connolly deserve a red for?

Floppybits · 19-09-2016 10:28AM

Muff Richardson wrote: »

Biloxi Blues wrote: »

the red Diarmuid Connolly should have got.

What did Connolly deserve a red for?

Probably for being on the pitch, that is all Connolly needs to do nowadays for other teams and the supporters to be baying for him to be sent off.

I'd say Keegan wont be too happy with Brolly's comment on how is opponents get yellow cards when Keegan starts a wrestling match with them.

ThunbergsAreGo · 19-09-2016 10:32AM

Muff Richardson wrote: »

What did Connolly deserve a red for?

Pulled keegan down when on a booking off the ball

Was a black/red card at that stage

Probably not something seen on tv

km79 · 19-09-2016 10:33AM

Muff Richardson wrote: »

What did Connolly deserve a red for?

Striking

Godge · 19-09-2016 10:35AM

km79 wrote: »

Striking

If they call that striking in Mayo, what do they call a bit of trouble between toddlers? MMA?

scrumqueen · 19-09-2016 10:38AM

TheRiverman wrote: »

McCauley should have got a straight red for that round the neck tackle.

Absolutely. I was shocked it was only a yellow.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Fair play to Mayo today.
But I feel they missed a trick.
Weather conditions suited Mayo (they are well used to that weather in the west) and Dublin are a footballing team.

Dublin cannot play any worse, Mayo cannot play much better (despite giving two goals away). The weather will be better surely?

Eh Mayo definitely can play better!

keeponhurling · 19-09-2016 10:39AM

Weepsie wrote: »

He clearly punched him

It would have been funny if he got a red for the punches, and we had another case of Connolly having his ban overturned at the last minute by the CCCCC.

It doesn't seem like a real All-Ireland final without the usual Connolly/CCCCC drama.

keeponhurling · 19-09-2016 10:39AM

scrumqueen wrote: »

Absolutely. I was shocked it was only a black.

It wasn't given as a black

Blud · 19-09-2016 10:40AM

Jesus there's some weeping willows on both sides here. Did any of ye ever actually play football?

It was a physical game, played at high intensity in very slippy conditions. There wasn't a single incident that crossed the line, definitely nothing that either set of players would be bothered about.

The wringing of the hands on here would make you sick.

scrumqueen · 19-09-2016 10:42AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

It wasn't given as a black

Apologies, it was yellow, I was thinking of McCarthy!

Blud · 19-09-2016 10:43AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

McAuley probably should have walked for the neck challenge.

But in a game when you have as4holes like keegan and o'shea dropping like sacks of potatoes, it becomes a bit like "boy who cried wolf".

People slag Tyrone but Mayo are the worst at this bollix.

Terrible thinkg to say but, from 70s perspective, good smack in mouth for COC, be what is needed. Tough Dublin team but still not got the ruthlessness of Doherty, Driscoll. Larkin, O'Neill.

Cillain and Lee would have been sucking fkn straws after their assaults on Johnny Small.

I trust old traditions be restored next day.

Jimmy played with Keith after all ......

When did Keegan or either O'Shea drop anywhere yesterday?

I can remember Philly rolling around after a nothing tackle by AOS in the first half, I remember Cooper rolling around and then having a miraculous recovery after another AOS tackle in the second half, I don't remember any Mayo player doing anything similar.

Peist2007 · 19-09-2016 10:43AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Fair play to Mayo today.
But I feel they missed a trick.
Weather conditions suited Mayo (they are well used to that weather in the west) and Dublin are a footballing team.

The amount of Dublin players off form was shocking. Only a few emerged with credit Small/ Cian O'Sullivan and Paddy Andrews (paddy andrews in the first half) imo.

God knows what Aidan O'Shea was doing with that aimless final ball he played near the end.

Dublin cannot play any worse, Mayo cannot play much better (despite giving two goals away). The weather will be better surely?

Your pre-match predictions and insults were completely off the mark. You havent a clue so why would anyone listen to the above? As was pointed out to you last week, this Mayo team are far better than Kerry and there is no difference between the two sides. If Tyrone or Donegal had done the job on Dublin that Mayo did yesterday, everyone would be raving. Ye had a six point headstart and were utterly clueless.

Grudaire · 19-09-2016 10:45AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Pulled keegan down when on a booking off the ball

Was a black/red card at that stage

Probably not something seen on tv

Yeah I saw that, but in fairness the amount of off the ball pulls were phenomenal yesterday. Definitely not the only one that went unpunished.

I think some Mayo fans are claiming he struck Keegan, but then again I see some also think Keegan wasn't ripping the jersey off Connolly (slightly selective edit of the incident shown on the Sunday Game didn't help). Either way it was the umpires call not the ref, there's a fine line between pushing /breaking free and a punch. Would have been a huge decision to send him off, and I think an unfair one given everything else happening on the pitch.

km79 · 19-09-2016 10:45AM

Blud wrote: »

Jesus there's some weeping willows on both sides here. Did any of ye ever actually play football?

It was a physical game, played at high intensity in very slippy conditions. There wasn't a single incident that crossed the line, definitely nothing that either set of players would be bothered about.

The wringing of the hands on here would make you sick.

On the whole I would agree with the exception of the MDMA challenge
That was very dangerous and he was lucky to escape red

Grudaire · 19-09-2016 10:51AM

km79 wrote: »

On the whole I would agree with the exception of the MDMA challenge
That was very dangerous and he was lucky to escape red

In slow motion yes, in the flow of the game I'm not sure.. Again a bit decision, and no clear intent (he plays the ball less than a second before). By that logic Evan Reegan should be done for loafing a player just before the final whistle :pac:

Peist2007 · 19-09-2016 10:56AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

McAuley probably should have walked for the neck challenge.

But in a game when you have as4holes like keegan and o'shea dropping like sacks of potatoes, it becomes a bit like "boy who cried wolf".

People slag Tyrone but Mayo are the worst at this bollix.

Terrible thinkg to say but, from 70s perspective, good smack in mouth for COC, be what is needed. Tough Dublin team but still not got the ruthlessness of Doherty, Driscoll. Larkin, O'Neill.

Cillain and Lee would have been sucking fkn straws after their assaults on Johnny Small.

I trust old traditions be restored next day.

Jimmy played with Keith after all ......

By the looks of this the fans are just as rattled as the Dublin players. Sorry we couldnt let ye have your procession, you mad bro?

Blud · 19-09-2016 10:59AM

km79 wrote: »

On the whole I would agree with the exception of the MDMA challenge
That was very dangerous and he was lucky to escape red

I think it looked worse than it was, and I just don't think there was quite enough in it for a red.

I thought the ref was excellent yesterday to be honest, in very tricky conditions. Take the COC pull down that people actually re arguing for a black card - watch it again and you'll see his hand go on the shoulder of the Dublin player and then COC completely loses his footing. It's a slip rather than deliberate, you can't be giving black cards for that.

Genuinely, thought Lane was excellent and should be congratulated for reffing the game in light of the conditions instead of despite the conditions.

The only bad decision really was last minute, Dublin player picked the ball straight off the ground. Mayo should have had a free in to win the game.

km79 · 19-09-2016 11:00AM

Blud wrote: »

I think it looked worse than it was, and I just don't think there was quite enough in it for a red.

I thought the ref was excellent yesterday to be honest, in very tricky conditions. Take the COC pull down that people actually re arguing for a black card - watch it again and you'll see his hand go on the shoulder of the Dublin player and then COC completely loses his footing. It's a slip rather than deliberate, you can't be giving black cards for that.

Genuinely, thought Lane was excellent and should be congratulated for reffing the game in light of the conditions instead of despite the conditions.

The only bad decision really was last minute, Dublin player picked the ball straight off the ground. Mayo should have had a free in to win the game.

Yeah I'd agree with all that
They are not easy teams to ref to be fair

TITANIUM. · 19-09-2016 11:05AM

Grudaire wrote: »

km79 wrote: »

On the whole I would agree with the exception of the MDMA challenge
That was very dangerous and he was lucky to escape red

In slow motion yes, in the flow of the game I'm not sure.. Again a bit decision, and no clear intent (he plays the ball less than a second before). By that logic Evan Reegan should be done for loafing a player just before the final whistle :pac:

Oh Lord God it was a crazy challenge. That's clutching at straws. That was a clear cut red card. He was lucky that the ref was looking away at a free he had just blown for.
He got right worked up yesterday, but I'd still play him ahead of bastick.
He wasnt the only lucky one out there in all fairness, both sides could have been punished more severely on another day.

I'd prefer to be talking about how well/poor lad's on both sides played rather than this he did this and he did that craic.

Gavin will probably change things up a little bit the next day. You'd hAve to say Andrews deserves a start. Mannion I'm not so sure..
Rochford is an interesting manager. It'll be good to see what he comes up with.

km79 · 19-09-2016 11:08AM

Here is an interesting question .........lets just say that Keegan and Connolly go at it early again the next day and both get the line . Which set of supporters are happier ?
To be honest I won't be.........Connolly has done damn all against us any game (and in most AI semis and finals he has played ) and Keegan is a massive leader for us
I know a lot of people will just assume that it would benefit mayo but I'd disagree

SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - *Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393*

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SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393