Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

cornerboy · 28-07-2016 10:34AM

This U21 team has an unusual make up. Of the starting 15 only one player from Mt. Sion and none from DLS or Ballygunner. There are players from non senior clubs such as Clonea, Bunmahon, Shamrocks, Ballysaggart, Ferrybank and Modeligo. In my opinion this bears testament to the developement of colleges hurling in Waterford in recent years.

HillFarmer · 28-07-2016 10:36AM

Didn't get to see the game down under, checked the TG4 website and couldn't see it on the Player.

Anyone know when it will be up on the TG4 site to watch?

Also, I'm interested to See Conor Gleeson again was impressed by him against Clare when he came on.

Alf Tupper · 28-07-2016 11:04AM

cul beag wrote: »

Sorry now but I have to come in on this. I saw first hand the sledging that Stephen Bennett was getting from the Tipp defender all through that first half. It was a credit to him that he didn't snap and to be honest what he did having scored was mild in comparison to what he should really have done! You'll tell me now that that's part of the game I suppose so if it is then don't dish it out if you're not able to accept it back!!

Not to mention the filthy swipe on Shane Bennett in the final minute or the throwing of the hurley at Peter Hogan when he was through on goal, either of which could have caused serious injury!

Looking at a re run of the game on TG4 this morning Donal O'Grady made reference to the treatment of Stephen Bennett by his marker and his non protection by the referee.

deiseach · 28-07-2016 11:20AM

Always good to hear from the keepers of the flame. I'd say ladiesman216 is named for the number of Tipp fans who made the perilous journey to Waterford.

ladiesman216 · 28-07-2016 11:21AM

cul beag wrote: »

Sorry now but I have to come in on this. I saw first hand the sledging that Stephen Bennett was getting from the Tipp defender all through that first half. It was a credit to him that he didn't snap and to be honest what he did having scored was mild in comparison to what he should really have done! You'll tell me now that that's part of the game I suppose so if it is then don't dish it out if you're not able to accept it back!!

I was actually more annoyed with the previous poster that felt he had to belittle Ronan Maher to praise Gleeson. Smacks of bitterness.

ObiwanKenoby · 28-07-2016 11:50AM

ladiesman216 wrote: »

I was actually more annoyed with the previous poster that felt he had to belittle Ronan Maher to praise Gleeson. Smacks of bitterness.

You'd be better off graciously congratulating us on an outstanding win - like your fellow county man Malisman did in a post here earlier - rather than nitpicking about some relatively harmless comment about Maher. I think you're the bitter one. SOME Tipp fans can't take a beating by Waterford. We were by FAR the better team. I am not gloating, this is a fact. Get over it and get used to it because these lads will be around for a few years yet...

Whiplash85 · 28-07-2016 11:56AM

Fair play to Waterford. Their trajectory is on a similar path to Clare in terms of minor All Ireland victory and now looking like serious contenders for the U21 All Ireland. The 2013 All Ireland victory for Clare culminated in winning titles at underage so who knows what lies ahead for Waterford. Stephen Bennett was magnificient and he has a lovely touch. The assist for the second goal was sublime. I cannot fathom how he doesn't start for seniors. Tom Devine needs to start as well. He does a lot of the unseen donkey work and can chip in with vital scores.

I have to say some of the blinkered myopic views I have read over the last 2 pages are disappointing to say the least. Why you can not enjoy a success or laud a player without running down another player is beyond my comprehension. Also maybe some posters on here can apply the same standards when assessing players misdemeanors on both sides. There was one incident in the first half where a tipp player had a facemask pulled off by the Waterford player. Also in same passage of play Gleeson punched a Tipp player. The jeering from Waterford supporters which accompanied every Tipp free was like something you would see at a Millwall MK dons game. Also the level of goading by Waterford players masks some of the bitterness and bile spewed around these parts. But I guess its just small time attitude and pettymindedness that accompanys sets of supporters who are starved of success, who rarely win and dont know how to react when they do win. So it kind of adds up.

ObiwanKenoby · 28-07-2016 12:36PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Fair play to Waterford. Their trajectory is on a similar path to Clare in terms of minor All Ireland victory and now looking like serious contenders for the U21 All Ireland. The 2013 All Ireland victory for Clare culminated in winning titles at underage so who knows what lies ahead for Waterford. Stephen Bennett was magnificient and he has a lovely touch. The assist for the second goal was sublime. I cannot fathom how he doesn't start for seniors. Tom Devine needs to start as well. He does a lot of the unseen donkey work and can chip in with vital scores.

I have to say some of the blinkered myopic views I have read over the last 2 pages are disappointing to say the least. Why you can not enjoy a success or laud a player without running down another player is beyond my comprehension. Also maybe some posters on here can apply the same standards when assessing players misdemeanors on both sides. There was one incident in the first half where a tipp player had a facemask pulled off by the Waterford player. Also in same passage of play Gleeson punched a Tipp player. The jeering from Waterford supporters which accompanied every Tipp free was like something you would see at a Millwall MK dons game. Also the level of goading by Waterford players masks some of the bitterness and bile spewed around these parts. But I guess its just small time attitude and pettymindedness that accompanys sets of supporters who are starved of success, who rarely win and dont know how to react when they do win. So it kind of adds up.

To say that Gleeson punched the player is completely disingenuous. Furthermore, absolutely no mention from you of the disgraceful theatrics by the Tipp player who collapsed to the ground trying to get him sent off for nothing. Get your facts right before coming on here talking s****. We all know Austin needs to sort out his temprament. But he punched no one - and you know it!

deiseach · 28-07-2016 12:38PM

Lads, don't feed the troll.

Whiplash85 · 28-07-2016 12:44PM

ObiwanKenoby wrote: »

To say that Gleeson punched the player is completely disingenuous. Furthermore, absolutely no mention from you of the disgraceful theatrics by the Tipp player who collapsed to the ground trying to get him sent off for nothing. Get your facts right before coming on here talking s****. We all know Austin needs to sort out his temprament. But he punched no one - and you know it!

Watch the video or better still post it up here and will see who is being disingenuous. Maybe instead of blaming the player who got punched, you should look at the root cause of his behaviour. He seems to dish it out with impunity on a hurling field. Bonnar Maher got the handle of the hurley through the helmet during the senior munster final. In terms of trying to get a player sent off. Austin Gleeson gave an oscar like performance trying to do the same to Cathal Barrett in the senior munster final. Again dont take my word for it. Watch it back. He made a miraculous recovery moments later.

In terms of theatrics and gamesmanship Waterford are market leaders in this regard. Brick Walsh could go to Rio with some of his diving skills. Maurice has been afflicted with this wobbly legs and flopping syndrome as well.

Henno30 · 28-07-2016 01:03PM

The goading stuff is not in people's imagination, nor is it sore loser talk. The entire country comments on it. Better for Waterford to face up to it and deal with it. Not a huge problem to solve but has an outsized effect on people's perception of you.

Deise2016 · 28-07-2016 01:04PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Fair play to Waterford. Their trajectory is on a similar path to Clare in terms of minor All Ireland victory and now looking like serious contenders for the U21 All Ireland. The 2013 All Ireland victory for Clare culminated in winning titles at underage so who knows what lies ahead for Waterford. Stephen Bennett was magnificient and he has a lovely touch. The assist for the second goal was sublime. I cannot fathom how he doesn't start for seniors. Tom Devine needs to start as well. He does a lot of the unseen donkey work and can chip in with vital scores.

I have to say some of the blinkered myopic views I have read over the last 2 pages are disappointing to say the least. Why you can not enjoy a success or laud a player without running down another player is beyond my comprehension. Also maybe some posters on here can apply the same standards when assessing players misdemeanors on both sides. There was one incident in the first half where a tipp player had a facemask pulled off by the Waterford player. Also in same passage of play Gleeson punched a Tipp player. The jeering from Waterford supporters which accompanied every Tipp free was like something you would see at a Millwall MK dons game. Also the level of goading by Waterford players masks some of the bitterness and bile spewed around these parts. But I guess its just small time attitude and pettymindedness that accompanys sets of supporters who are starved of success, who rarely win and dont know how to react when they do win. So it kind of adds up.

Austin Gleeson didn't punch him.

He gave him tap with his fist into the faceguard...and was probably lucky not to see red for making contact with the faceguard but a punch it certainly wasn't.

The reaction of the Tipp player was awful to say the least. A delay of about 3 seconds before jumping on the ground as if he had been shot.

Fact is Austin absolutely cleaned Tipp out of it last night.

And as regards Ronan Maher he is a very good player, anyone can see that.

But he has had it very easy against Cork, Limerick and Waterford so far at senior level.

Is he as good as Gleeson? I would say not even close but that's only my opinion.

But given they were the two centre backs on the night I think it's fair to compare their performances.

Deise2016 · 28-07-2016 01:09PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Watch the video or better still post it up here and will see who is being disingenuous. Maybe instead of blaming the player who got punched, you should look at the root cause of his behaviour. He seems to dish it out with impunity on a hurling field. Bonnar Maher got the handle of the hurley through the helmet during the senior munster final. In terms of trying to get a player sent off. Austin Gleeson gave an oscar like performance trying to do the same to Cathal Barrett in the senior munster final. Again dont take my word for it. Watch it back. He made a miraculous recovery moments later.

In terms of theatrics and gamesmanship Waterford are market leaders in this regard. Brick Walsh could go to Rio with some of his diving skills. Maurice has been afflicted with this wobbly legs and flopping syndrome as well.

We could go on here about Bubbles getting sent off against Limerick and a couple of other incidents where he 'dishes it out'.

What about Lar Corbett's antics in trying to get Tommy Walsh sent off in Croke Park a number of years ago.

Or Corbett's shoulder that could have knocked out Eoin Murphy?

Alternatively, we could just accept that no player is perfect and admire the likes of Austin, Bubbles o Dwyer etc for the wonderful talents they are and the enjoyment they give all of us hurling people regardless of our county...rather than picking out negatives.

Hurling first, county loyalty second and enjoy our game first and foremost.

Whiplash85 · 28-07-2016 01:20PM

deiseach wrote: »

Lads, don't feed the troll.

Its an easy card to play to say that when you dont want to deal with the salient points being made or deal with a few uncomfortable home truths. Its the equivalent of pissing all over the toilet seat at home and complaining to your wife for trolling you for bringing to your attention. But if you want to be insular and talk abolute horse****e amongst yourselves then no problem. Where ignorance is bliss, its folly to be wise.

blueflame · 28-07-2016 01:35PM

An article written in the Hogan Stand comments on a masterclass display of hurling and goading last night by Waterford - the author did not see fit to put his name to it, but it appears obvious where allegiances lie with his more extensive knowledge of the Tipp players. No comment however on William Maher being well outside his technical area buffooning Patrick Curran when standing over a free, a free that would either have yielded a point or a wide had he just shut up and left Curran alone - the fact that it resulted in a goal was perfect Karma in my view. Hard to control crowds but should be able to control management.

Cathal Barrett then tweets Stephen Bennett could have been on the goal line he was so far in the square. take off the glasses boy, when Curran is striking the ball at worst his left foot is on the line while his body and other foot are outside the square. In the second it take the ball to arrive he has moved in the square but is way too close to call - so much for he might as well have been on the goal line!!!!!!

I am sure there was plenty of reminders given to Gleeson, Bennett and Co about last Sunday fortnight in Limerick, and that goes both ways. There was also plenty of afters being dished out by Tipp lads, but that is part of the game. Quirke literally tried to walk Conor Gleesson into the ground before the ball was even thrown in, he repeatedly attempted to stamp back on his feet , but hey that happens.

As regards Gleeson's punch , Gleeson was silly and yes could have received a technical red, but I have seen women at sales being more agressive than that, it was a most a push to the side of the chin. The fact it took the Tipp lad to come back and then fall over about three seconds later was embarrassing. He tried to get Gleeson put off, it didn;t work. I know we have had a few actors ourselves in our time, but you Tipp lads are quick to lash it out when this has happened. Gleeson is a really special talent and he is going to be targeted, he has to learn to deal with this.

Three weeks ago we were soundly beaten by Tipp, we were told then we were making excuses and were bad loosers, now we are bad winners, take off the rose coloured glasses and see last night for what it was - a great game of hurling where the better side on the night over the sixty minutes won and stop the exaggerating.

JesusRef · 28-07-2016 01:44PM

No matter how much of a tap it was Gleeson was so stupid to throw the punch at josh Keane - if he got a yellow it should have been red -we got lucky.

Ya Bennett was in the square when the ball arrived.

As a county that never plays at home in the senior grades it us no harm to get a few home town decisions we don't have to be ashamed of it.

It was a cracking which Swang over and back about four times before finally coming g back in our favour.

Tipp fans were very gracious in defeat - something a lot of Waterford fans could learn from after the bile spewed after the league final.

Sure Waterford haven't much success - but it makes it all the sweeter when you win something. There is a tradition in Waterford - a tradition of keeping going, but a new tradition is emerging, the children in the county are hurling and camogie mad - with participation at an all time high. It can only lead us to better days..... and if not, it is already a success in itself - a beautiful thing to see

Whiplash85 · 28-07-2016 01:59PM

JesusRef wrote: »

No matter how much of a tap it was Gleeson was so stupid to throw the punch at josh Keane - if he got a yellow it should have been red -we got lucky.

Ya Bennett was in the square when the ball arrived.

As a county that never plays at home in the senior grades it us no harm to get a few home town decisions we don't have to be ashamed of it.

It was a cracking which Swang over and back about four times before finally coming g back in our favour.

Tipp fans were very gracious in defeat - something a lot of Waterford fans could learn from after the bile spewed after the league final.

Sure Waterford haven't much success - but it makes it all the sweeter when you win something. There is a tradition in Waterford - a tradition of keeping going, but a new tradition is emerging, the children in the county are hurling and camogie mad - with participation at an all time high. It can only lead us to better days..... and if not, it is already a success in itself - a beautiful thing to see

Thank you for a well balanced post.

deiseach · 28-07-2016 02:01PM

Gleeson was lucky. Never give the ref an excuse to do something daft - it's not as if they need an excuse.

But jeez, it would have been daft. If the roles were reversed and a red card was issued, you'd be pretty embarrassed to benefit from such a decision. It comes to something when (some of) the people who gave us Hell's Kitchen are bleating about being hard done by.

mickmackey1 · 28-07-2016 02:10PM

It was a straight red according to the rules. The rules may be daft but the ref was well entitled to send him off.

PTH2009 · 28-07-2016 02:16PM

We have to thank Willie Maher for our first goal as he was the cause of the delay with the free that made the goal lol

Has it been confirmed that the u21 semi finals a double header in thurles ???

Dick phelan · 28-07-2016 02:22PM

Waterford always getting criticism from other counties, Bennett was getting an awful time off his marker and did well not to react, As for the jeering from supporters, i'm sorry are we going to pretend it doesn't happen in Thurles? Not saying it's nice but Waterford do it no more then other counties. Feck the begrudgers sour grapes imo which stems from the belief the likes of Tipp have that Waterford have no business winning trophies and should be kept down. We won fair and square accept it and move on.

deiseach · 28-07-2016 03:31PM

HillFarmer wrote: »

Didn't get to see the game down under, checked the TG4 website and couldn't see it on the Player.

Anyone know when it will be up on the TG4 site to watch?

The match is now on TG4's website.

Hslaw · 28-07-2016 04:05PM

This team is seriously talented, bout time we broke through the ranks at this level. To be honest we've had good u21 teams the past few years. But got matched against very good clare teams. I feel we could of won a few of those. But here we are. Honn the deise.

JeffKenna · 28-07-2016 04:08PM

It's a very bad reflection on the Tipp fans that they can't leave Waterford enjoy one of the rare victories. It's easy for them to come on here after the senior result with a sympatric voice bemoaning the "system" and advising how we'll never win an All Ireland unless we scrap it. At the same time you can be sure their having a good chuckle over the whole thing.

deiseach · 28-07-2016 04:13PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

It's a very bad reflection on the Tipp fans that they can't leave Waterford enjoy one of the rare victories. It's easy for them to come on here after the senior result with a sympatric voice bemoaning the "system" and advising how we'll never win an All Ireland unless we scrap it. At the same time you can be sure their having a good chuckle over the whole thing.

I wouldn't hold the keyboard warriors on here against Tipperary folk. I was talking to a lad in a pub in Cashel on Sunday and he was quite unequivocal that last night's game was Waterford's to lose. No BS from him then and I doubt you'd get any BS from him now. The Ignore option is your friend.

GoldFour4 · 28-07-2016 04:32PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

It's a very bad reflection on the Tipp fans that they can't leave Waterford enjoy one of the rare victories. It's easy for them to come on here after the senior result with a sympatric voice bemoaning the "system" and advising how we'll never win an All Ireland unless we scrap it. At the same time you can be sure their having a good chuckle over the whole thing.

There's very few keyboard warriors from Tipp bemoaning the result - vast majority knew beating Waterford was not going to be an easy task. One or two posters does not and should not equate to a reflection on the Tipp fanbase on here and outside of here.

con89 · 28-07-2016 05:25PM

Stephen Bennett was getting hassle from the Tipp full back line, right up until our second goal.
Following him around, one of them constantly mouthing, very disappointing to see, but they hardly did this off their own back? Or did they?
Did management tell them to go at him?
Anyways he's one of the soundest, quietest fellas around & I'm not surprised he didn't snap.

As for the Cathal Barrett tweet, you can move into the square once the free has been taken. He was hardly on the goal line, he had one foot inside & one foot outside the square as Curran struck the free.

One Tipperary poster mentions goading. I'm not saying it didn't happen but I didn't see it. Some names? I saw players shaking hands and swapping jerseys at full time. And we've experienced all sorts of goading from Tipp fans in the past.

Anyways this goading thing is a sign of weakness. I can't imagine a Kilkenny player at it. Cody wouldn't want it. Fellas do it when they're up against a better player. After scoring 2-3 in the last game the Tipp lads were obviously going to be wary of Stephen. If anything it's a compliment. Look at the treatment Mullane got in the 2004 Munster final. He'd scored 3-1 in the final the previous year, and was possibly our biggest threat.

The Dublin footballers were masters of the goading in the noughties, a relatively unsuccessful period for them as they failed to reach an AI final. They dropped the "tactic", and have since won three All-Irelands.

Well done to all the lads last night. Fantastic to see 8,000 Waterford fans turn up for an under 21 match. We have a special team here.

Antrim next. They did beat Wexford (a team that had beaten Kilkenny) in the under 21 semis in 2014. Let's not take them for granted.

I can't see our seniors beating Kilkenny. I travel in hope more than in expectation. If we can end a 24 year drought and win an under 21 AI, and make some sort of a contest of the Kilkenny match (keep them to within a few points like we've done every year bar 2008), 2016 would be a successful year for Waterford hurling.

blackcard · 28-07-2016 05:57PM

con89 wrote: »

Stephen Bennett was getting hassle from the Tipp full back line, right up until our second goal.
Following him around, one of them constantly mouthing, very disappointing to see, but they hardly did this off their own back? Or did they?
Did management tell them to go at him?
Anyways he's one of the soundest, quietest fellas around & I'm not surprised he didn't snap.

As for the Cathal Barrett tweet, you can move into the square once the free has been taken. He was hardly on the goal line, he had one foot inside & one foot outside the square as Curran struck the free.

One Tipperary poster mentions goading. I'm not saying it didn't happen but I didn't see it. Some names? I saw players shaking hands and swapping jerseys at full time. And we've experienced all sorts of goading from Tipp fans in the past.

Anyways this goading thing is a sign of weakness. I can't imagine a Kilkenny player at it. Cody wouldn't want it. Fellas do it when they're up against a better player. After scoring 2-3 in the last game the Tipp lads were obviously going to be wary of Stephen. If anything it's a compliment. Look at the treatment Mullane got in the 2004 Munster final. He'd scored 3-1 in the final the previous year, and was possibly our biggest threat.

The Dublin footballers were masters of the goading in the noughties, a relatively unsuccessful period for them as they failed to reach an AI final. They dropped the "tactic", and have since won three All-Irelands.

Well done to all the lads last night. Fantastic to see 8,000 Waterford fans turn up for an under 21 match. We have a special team here.

Antrim next. They did beat Wexford (a team that had beaten Kilkenny) in the under 21 semis in 2014. Let's not take them for granted.

I can't see our seniors beating Kilkenny. I travel in hope more than in expectation. If we can end a 24 year drought and win an under 21 AI, and make some sort of a contest of the Kilkenny match (keep them to within a few points like we've done every year bar 2008), 2016 would be a successful year for Waterford hurling.

Just on a technical point, you can't enter the square after a free is taken, you can't enter before the ball enters. Gaelic Football has different rules. Not that this had any effect on the result.

con89 · 28-07-2016 06:06PM

blackcard wrote: »

Just on a technical point, you can't enter the square after a free is taken, you can't enter before the ball enters. Gaelic Football has different rules. Not that this had any effect on the result.

My bad, I don't play in the forwards haha

Stacksofwacks · 28-07-2016 06:12PM

Hslaw wrote: »

This team is seriously talented, bout time we broke through the ranks at this level. To be honest we've had good u21 teams the past few years. But got matched against very good clare teams. I feel we could of won a few of those. But here we are. Honn the deise.

We were unlucky not to beat Clare in 2013, we ran them close, we were leading much of the game and then got a man sent off and Clare won it in the last few minutes, had we won that we could very well have won it out. 2012 we underperformed and were blown away by a magnificent Clare team. 2014 we didnt turn up against a hungry but limited Cork side.
2015 we could have gone all the way too but once again Clare put up a big performance and knocked us out. Hopefully this is our year.

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