Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

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Ropaire

11 to 3 ahead after 24 mins, serious wind though! Galway not looking great, Canning having a mare. Cork down against Wexico 10 points to 4 as well, interesting one.

seananigans

Of all the times to break the thread ! I think I might switch on the commentary from wlr my Irish is not bad but they sound like they are commentating a funeral

archieknox

Cruising here. Galway struggling with the elements but we're well on top. Blanket defense in the second half will see us home. 9pt lead at any level at halftime is huge. Aussie excellent again.

nkay1985

Anyone have the full team? Didn't see it on the thread and can't find it anywhere online either.

Deise_2012

archieknox wrote: »

Cruising here. Galway struggling with the elements but we're well on top. Blanket defense in the second half will see us home. 9pt lead at any level at halftime is huge. Aussie excellent again.

Moran even better

Deise_2012

nkay1985 wrote: »

Anyone have the full team? Didn't see it on the thread and can't find it anywhere online either.

Iggy

Shane Fives
Barry Coughlan
Noelie

Aussie
Tadhg Bourke
Philip Mahony

Jamie Barron
Kevin Moran

Colin Dunford
Paudie Mahony
Brick

Stephen Bennett
Jake Dillon
Brian O'H

seananigans

Waterford Senior Hurling Team to play Galway on Sunday in Walsh Park at 4pm.
Hope to see large home support!!
1. Ian O’Regan Mount Sion
2. Shane Fives Tourin
3. Barry Coughlan Ballygunner
4. Noel Connors Passage
5. Tadhg de Búrca Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
6. Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
7. Philip Mahony Ballygunner
8. Jamie Barron Fourmilewater
9. Tom Devine Modeligo
10. Kevin Moran (Captain) De La Salle
11. Pauric Mahony Ballygunner
12. Jake Dillon De La Salle
13. Brian O’Halloran Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
14. Michael Walsh Stradbally
15. Colin Dunford Colligan


someone started for devine cant remember who

Limestone1

Great to have had the wind first as we wouldn't wanted to have been down by a big score - could have been a serious confidence denting. I'm surprised Galway opted to play against it.
Have to say some impressive long distance scores which we have to do if we are going to leave 1 on 2,3 or 4 inside. Good battling though overall and holding our own in the physical stakes.

Deise Hurler

Down to 4 point lead now. Forwards gone out of it completely. Maurice for Bennett, who is clearly not fit needs to be done quickly.

seananigans

8 points up now ,wheres pth when we need pessimism

TyrionPower

Great showing of heart, grit, workrate and determination.
A bonus for us is how awful Galway were, but we totally outbattled them

Deise Hurler

Another good performance. Roll on tipp in 3 weeks time.

KevIRL

Tipp in the semi final. No callinan for them as he got a straight red today.

Impressive work rate and point taking today. Good win.

Worth noting that since the new format launched this is the only knock out game (out of 8) won by a 1B side

archieknox

Big congrats all around. As I've stated im not in love with the style but it is effective and the lads have bought into it. Final 20mins was amazing with the work rate against the strong wind. Barron excellent throughout and delighted to see Maurice back in after the year he has had.
Double header maybe in thurles now?

TyrionPower

Jamie Barron as excellent, an absolutely sweet corner back at minor level, real tidy hurler and was a big prospect, great to see him living up to that potential

citykat

archieknox wrote: »

Big congrats all around. As I've stated im not in love with the style but it is effective and the lads have bought into it. Final 20mins was amazing with the work rate against the strong wind. Barron excellent throughout and delighted to see Maurice back in after the year he has had.
Double header maybe in thurles now?

Congrats to the Deise. Yea the semis have been a double header in Thurles for the last couple of years .

3ships

Derek's winning matches

HatchetMan7

Most of our games this year have been on pitches smaller than Thurlas so it will be interesting to see if that defensive system will work as well in the wide open spaces of Thurlas. Good win today thought Moran had his best game for Waterford this year. Subs all played well. Looking forward to Tipp in Thurlas. Up the Deise

seananigans

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Most of our games this year have been on pitches smaller than Thurlas so it will be interesting to see if that defensive system will work as well in the wide open spaces of Thurlas. Good win today thought Moran had his best game for Waterford this year. Subs all played well. Looking forward to Tipp in Thurlas. Up the Deise

better we find out sooner than later, we have cork in thurles too , so be good to get a dress rehearsal

skaface

Showed their metal when Galway brought it back to 4pts and kicked on again.
The work rate was impressive again today and we can look forward to giving Tipp a
good rattle in a fortnight ( double header in Thurlus I presume )..
No pressure on Waterford , we're in Bonus territory now.
Up The Deise !!

KevIRL

skaface wrote: »

Showed their metal when Galway brought it back to 4pts and kicked on again.
The work rate was impressive again today and we can look forward to giving Tipp a
good rattle in a fortnight ( double header in Thurlus I presume )..
No pressure on Waterford , we're in Bonus territory now.
Up The Deise !!

Ya Maurice shan made a big impact when he came on. Think the SF is 3 weeks away. 19th April. Great to be still playing league hurling in late April when you'd hope the pitches are firming and the weather better.

skaface

3ships wrote: »

Derek's winning matches

Had to laugh when I saw this !!!

skaface

KevIRL wrote: »

Ya Maurice shan made a big impact when he came on. Think the SF is 3 weeks away. 19th April. Great to be still playing league hurling in late April when you'd hope the pitches are firming and the weather better.

Ya, will definitely suit our lads for hurling when the weather gets better and the sliotar starts
bouncing off the sod, you can't beat it

Mountainlad

New thread, still love me County

bruschi

Fair play to Waterford. The very least you expect from a team going out is absolute work rate and effort, and your lads have given that in spades the last 2 weeks. It makes a huge difference. Tactics and stuff can come later, work rate, whilst sounding easy, can be one of the hardest things to get out of a team.

seananigans

skaface wrote: »

Showed their metal when Galway brought it back to 4pts and kicked on again.
The work rate was impressive again today and we can look forward to giving Tipp a
good rattle in a fortnight ( double header in Thurlus I presume )..
No pressure on Waterford , we're in Bonus territory now.
Up The Deise !!

hate to be a grammar nazi but it's mettle not metal also Thurles

Deise_2012

seananigans wrote: »

hate to be a grammar nazi but it's mettle not metal also Thurles

ah here leave it out !

skaface

seananigans wrote: »

hate to be a grammar nazi but it's mettle not metal also Thurles

Not much bothering you is there.. I'm here to talk about hurling, not slag other people's
Posts.. Analysis that

seananigans

skaface wrote: »

Not much bothering you is there.. I'm here to talk about hurling, not slag other people's
Posts.. Analysis that

I was going to leave it , but you analyse ,you do not analysis

nobody has said can you analysis this report for me in my lifetime

skaface

seananigans wrote: »

I was going to leave it , but you analyse ,you do not analysis

nobody has said can you analysis this report for me in my lifetime

You should get out more often..

TyrionPower

Right...
Anyway...

Hopefully we can put in a good showing against Tipp now in a few weeks, we always seem to put in a good performance against them in the league, but with All the retirements in Kilkenny Tipp probably stand as the experienced and established inter county team at the moment, so in with the real big boys now.
A big open pitch with the ground after hardening it is into the real deal now.
We threw away opportunities to get to league quarters under this system a couple of times. Hard to believe after the despair of last year we are in a semi Now
We are are very well drilled, fit, highly motivated team with the confidence to stick to the plan, the way we steadied after Galways initial second half spurt is so encouraging.... But at the same time Galway were totally leaderless..

Still roll on three weeks

seananigans

TyrionPower wrote: »

Right...
Anyway...

Hopefully we can put in a good showing against Tipp now in a few weeks, we always seem to put in a good performance against them in the league, but with All the retirements in Kilkenny Tipp probably stand as the experienced and established inter county team at the moment, so in with the real big boys now.
A big open pitch with the ground after hardening it is into the real deal now.
We threw away opportunities to get to league semis under this system a couple of times. Hard to believe after the despair of last year we are in one.

We are are very well drilled, fit, highly motivated team with the confidence to stick to the plan, the way we steadied after Galways initial second half spurt is so encouraging.... But at the same time Galway were totally leaderless..

Still roll on three weeks

first time in semis since 2007 , how did we do that year again ?

TyrionPower

seananigans wrote: »

first time in semis since 2007 , how did we do that year again ?

And you know what it was all nice and calm after the final whistle from what I could see, now big celebrations of histrionics from the players, got the win move on to the next one

skaface

Are we sure semi finals are on in Thurles ??
Last year they were on in Limerick.
I'd rather Thurles any day!!

TyrionPower

skaface wrote: »

Are we sure semi finals are on in Thurles ??
Last year they were on in Limerick.
I'd rather Thurles any day!!

Not sure just going by previous posts. Haven't heard anything official

hurler on de ditch

Great win today ,knew they could do it from 1 to 23 were unbelievable,one of the best performances iv'e seen in years ,fantastic superb ,,up the Deise

stumblingblock

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

Great win today ,knew they could do it from 1 to 23 were unbelievable,one of the best performances iv'e seen in years ,fantastic superb ,,up the Deise

Are you goin soft on us lad? 😉

redlead

stumblingblock wrote: »

Are you goin soft on us lad? 😉

Next thing we know PTH will be on predicting a Waterford win against Tipp!

deiseach

redlead wrote: »

Next thing we know PTH will be on predicting a Waterford win against Tipp!

That's it, we're screwed.

Cake Man

Very well done to the lads today, great win and showed character to withstand Galways onslaught at the start of the second half. I kind of feared the worst when Galway rattled off a few scores without reply but we got scores at the right times. Good that Gal only had one decent chance in goal which was well saved by Iggy but not so good that we barely threatened their goal (I was listening on WLR so I'm open to correction by anyone at the game).

Aussie, Tadgh, Barron, BOH, Moran all seemed to do very well, the backs were solid. Tipp in 3 weeks will be a serious challenge against arguably the most in form team in the country. I don't think many of us expect a win but a good showing and it won't do us any harm. We're in bonus territory now so anything can happen and its a nice position to be in when we'll be written off.

Would people mind playing Tipp in Thurles? I wouldn't tbh, I think we need s game there as the last time we played there was last May/June v Cork so a run out there to refamiliarise ourselves doesn't bother me.

stumblingblock

I’m a happy man, had a nice little wager on us to come out on top and I wasn’t disappointed. Even more pleasing obviously is the performance and victory. Tipp will be another step up again but a challenge I think the lads will relish such is the confidence they are playing with at the moment. Win lose or draw I think we are in great shape going into the championship. We know what our best team is, were improving all the time and these young players are playing with so much confidence now. There is a system in place and like it or lump it we are getting results. I think this notion of 1B teams being at a huge disadvantage to 1A teams was blown out of the water today. Wexford pushed Cork all the way aswell today so our win last week was better than many of the critics have given us credit for.

archieknox

Genuine question for ye- If for some reason we do fall behind against Tipp lets say by about 6-7 pts is there a plan B or will this game plan be followed to the end? Now I am genuinely asking the question because I am curious to know as I don't honestly have the answer.

HatchetMan7

IMO i think that as the ground drys up and playing in bigger pitches like Thurlas and Croke park that our defensive style won't be as effective and we'll become more attacking as the year goes on. I felt sorry for Stevie Bennett as the ball coming into him wasn't accurate enough and the extra Galway defender picked up alot of loose ball. I think the Tipp game will tell us alot as i think we are in bonus territory now. Tipp are the team to beat this year and to play them this early is great for Waterford just to see exactly where we are. It will be interesting to see what type of game we play but i would imagine they'll start with a defensive set up and keep it tight early on. If Waterford did fall 6/7 points behind they'll have no choice but to push more players forward. Tipp certainly won't be as naive as Wexford or Galway. They'll have there homework done and their extra defender will use the ball alot better the previous opposition have.

Ropaire

archieknox wrote: »

Genuine question for ye- If for some reason we do fall behind against Tipp lets say by about 6-7 pts is there a plan B or will this game plan be followed to the end? Now I am genuinely asking the question because I am curious to know as I don't honestly have the answer.

We won't know until we're in that position, i'd expect us to stay the same way to be honest but maybe move a target man closer to goals. We were excellent today, thought Galway lost the match when they decided to play into the wind first half. Once we got ahead we never looked like getting caught, the workrate and skill levels were very impressive and the lads oozed confidence. Thought Maurice was excellent when he came on, we didn't have a clear goal chance but O'Halloran and Maurice were both hauled down when they had put the head down and started running in on goals. A support runner for either would have given us a better chance of opening up a route to goal, minor gripe but there isn't a huge amount of tweaking needed to give us a goal threat that we're missing!

TyrionPower

I was thinking there that there is no real hope of seeing the best out the likes of Stephen Bennett with this system.
It can't be too appealing to Patrick Curran to come on to the panel and play that role either...
A guy that could hold up the ball for a few seconds by working and harassing is preferential to the outstanding forward talent we have been producing...
Hopefully I am wrong on that but time will tell

blueflame

Delighted with the result, delighted with work rate, but still very unsure about the system. First 10 minutes of second half Galway tore us to shreds, and I am sure everyone felt we were in big trouble. In fairness we did steady the ship but that 10 minutes enough to sound serious warning bells.

Our defensive system is working mainly because we have at the moment a rather exceptional set of backs particularly half backs who are on top of their game. It still worries me that at one stage yesterday we had five backs around Joe Canning but he had 10 yards of space as each looked defender looked to the other to pick him up. The old saying "too many cooks....." comes to mind.

We have got to stop isolating the full forward as much as we are. At different stages yesterday Jake and Maurice won great ball in the full forward line but were so isolated we had no hope of fashioning a goal or threatening to do so. Stephen Bennett was just so frustrated it was unreal. You can pull our forwards deep to flood midfield and even pull out one corner forward but we must have a minimum of two inside forward to function.

One this is certain, that is that we do have the hurlers to make a big push over the next couple of years and to compete at the top.

Deise_2012

TyrionPower wrote: »

I was thinking there that there is no real hope of seeing the best out the likes of Stephen Bennett with this system.
It can't be too appealing to Patrick Curran to come on to the panel and play that role either...
A guy that could hold up the ball for a few seconds by working and harassing is preferential to the outstanding forward talent we have been producing...
Hopefully I am wrong on that but time will tell

I agree, I was delighted with the work rate yesterday and of course the result. But seeing Bennett surrounded by an extra defender every time, he wasn't able to run at them or utilise his strengths, I can imagine how frustrating it must be for him

deiseach

I suppose the concern for everyone is whether they have a plan B. We seem to have had awfully convenient opposition so far. No better buachaillí than Galway to react to a strange gameplan by adopting a rabbit-in-a-headlight position. But there is so much to be pleased with. The players look teak tough, blowing teams out of it, the fitness levels are up - I'm certain we'd have closed out the drawn game against Cork last year if were as fit then as we look now - and there was a real swagger about us which translated into some great scoring. There was no wild over-the-shoulder rubbish. It's great we're playing Tipp, just the people to puncture any false confidence.

Deise Vu

Was Soky injured? Iggy performed well making one crucial save but I would like to see a definite No 1 for goal and that has to be Soky on age grounds alone.

Outside of that quibble, it was the most heartening display I have seen in a while. Solid full back line, talented half-backs and midfield (the sky's the limit for that half-back line if they keep their feet on the ground) and hard working honest forwards.

What we are missing is a bit of star dust in the forwards. We know there are goals in Stephen Bennett , Patrick Curran (when he gradates to this level) and maybe Maurice and Brian O'H. The trouble is we will never see it playing one forward up front on two or even three defenders. It was soul destroying in the stand watching Bennett trying to deal with two defenders on his own or watching a half-back, with time to burn, delaying delivery looking for an opening that was never going to materialise until he was eventually swallowed up. God knows what it was like for Bennett, all that hard work only to be the first substituted.

There is no arguing with results though and, like previous posters, I am looking forward to seeing this young skilful team playing on bigger and better pitches. If their handling and execution is that good on a horrible march day in Walsh Park, what will it be like on a sunny Temple Stadium? Exciting times could be on the way back again.

Professey Chin

Cant really complain about that display at all. On top for the majority, comfortable, good scoring and the occasional flash of brilliance. There was one lovely move with Tom Devine flicking it over back over his head and 2 Galway players to a player running in and a point came off it.

2 things that I hope get worked on are our backs releasing the ball faster. It seemed like no matter how much time and space they had, they always ended up having to break a tackle or 2 instead of clearing it. Second would be players running with someone to help. Brick won the ball at one stage and had to stop and turn over and over because nobody was running for a lay off.