Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

Cake Man

I haven't heard it being confirmed but guessing Darragh Fives is out? Assuming so, it would appear there a few options of who to replace him as the likelihood is that it'll be the same other 14 but most likely a few positional switches.
My guess would be Dunford to come in, named at corner forward but to play the usual roaming role between half back/midfield/forwards. Moran to drop back to either midfield or half back. To be fair to Dunford he did well in this exact game last year so he's probably most likely to go in. The team would then be:


SOK
S. Fives Coughlan Noel
Tadgh
Philip Mahony Aussie Moran
Barron Dunford
Brick Paudie Shane Bennett
Curran Maurice


The other option is to replace D.Fives with Conor Gleeson, possibly put CG corner back and move Shane Fives to half back. You could then have a slightly more solid more midfield in Barron and Moran.

Fred C Dobbs

The law of averages says that Waterford are due a win over Kilkenny but on all known form, there should only be one outcome to this match. However, Kilkenny have been beaten under Cody so it is humanly possible for Waterford to upset the odds. I just haven't figured out how that 's going to happen ......

it will mean having to play better than anytime over the last 2 years ; Waterford have enough skillful players to win this game but they need to match Kilkennys physical aggression for the full match ; somehow, they have try something different than last year's SF (like having a shot at goal) ; take a leaf out of the U21s demolition of Clare and Tipp ... play off the cuff for at least some of the match just to keep the opposition guessing a bit (without confusing themselves in the process) ; also, they need to bring on subs sooner than usual - personally, would like to see O'Halloran get more game time and Stephen Bennett of course.

molby

The Star today reports that Shane Bennett has a knee injury and is on crutches and is a major doubt. Darragh Fives has a new tear to his quad and not a repeat of his old tear and is also a major doubt.

Deise2016

Lads I have three spare tickets for Sunday that I bought for family that are now unable to attend.

The three seats are together in Section 302 of the Cusack stand. They are quite far back in the stand so will be covered from the rain for anyone fearing a repeat of the Munster Final rain.

I'm looking to get the tickets off my hands so will sell at a reduced price.

Tickets cost 40 euro each so I'd sell for 30 each or thereabouts.

If interested send me a PM.

hurler on de ditch

SOK,,, C,Gleeson,B,Coughlan,Connors, S,Fives,A,Gleeson, TDB , J,Barron, ,K,Moran St Bennett,T,Devine,P.Mahony P,Curran,M,Shanahan,,C,Dunford, ,,,this team can only succeed playing an all out approach to actually winning the game and not defending a scoring deficit like our lives depended on it ,,the back line is consisted of very strong hurlers who are very hard to beat ,although TDB would really have to step up in performance ,as in my opinion he has being average at best,P,Mahony very unlucky to be out of my team ,J,Barron is a hurler and a half,K,Moran would just about squeeze in ,in the hope that he would be able to keep tabs on M,Fennelly,T,Devine gets in ahead of Brick simply because he has the legs that will be needed and his ability to seriously attack the KK back six,also P,Mahony is in just for free taking and only because he is the best in the current squad,in my view he really needs to contribute to the score board a lot more from open play ,the top three are there for a number of reasons,M,Shanahan if he has support is almost unmarkable ,Dunford and Curran have speed and skill to worry any team , ,Sh,Bennett is out just because of the earlier post ,if fit i would have in instead of P,Mahony, ,we have to give it a go ,its as simple as that ,if we do i'd say we have a real chance ,if as expected Dmc Grath plays the way we/i think he will then im afraid no cigar ,we really have some players in this squad,players that would hurl in any team in the country without doubt ,BUT WE MUST LEAVE THEM HURL,

barneystinson

You should give proper punctuation and spacing a go...

hurler on de ditch

barneystinson wrote: »

You should give proper punctuation and spacing a go...

nahicouldntbebotheredmebollix

PTH2009

the cats are opening up there training Wednesday and Friday to the public.

A reason why i want to beat them is that the cats supporters will be out in there droves in sinnots/shortts etc sunday night after the game gloating/shouting in peoples faces etc about how great there team is and how **** Waterford are. we have played second fiddle and been laughed at too much by Kilkenny folk for years.

A last min Maurice Shannahan goal to win next sunday would be brillent :D:D:D.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNaARMztdVk

last time we beat Kilkenny in Croke Park in any grade. A lot of that Waterford team are now are senior stars

HatchetMan7

PTH2009 wrote: »

the cats are opening up there training Wednesday and Friday to the public.

A reason why i want to beat them is that the cats supporters will be out in there droves in sinnots/shortts etc sunday night after the game gloating/shouting in peoples faces etc about how great there team is and how **** Waterford are. we have played second fiddle and been laughed at too much by Kilkenny folk for years.

A last min Maurice Shannahan goal to win next sunday would be brillent :D:D:D.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNaARMztdVk

last time we beat Kilkenny in Croke Park in any grade. A lot of that Waterford team are now are senior stars

Lets not make sweeping statements about other supporters. I have no doubt if Waterford do win on Sunday there will be more than a few Waterford supporters "gloating/shouting" unfortunately. Rather than wasting energy talking about a minority which is present in EVERY county lets direct that energy in supporting Waterford.

robopaddy2

Man for man, it s not actually that great a KK team. Compared to some of their predecessors tt doesn t compare. Ger Loughnane said earlier in the year is that its actually inconceivable that this group of players should be sauntering towards 3 in a row. It irked a lot of people but in one sense he had a point. But the bigger picture is the manager, and the belief he instills in his players. And that ferocious hunger, aggression and absolute belief that if they go out and perform to their own ability they will win. No matter who the opposition. No matter what gameplan/system they are asked to face. They will adapt.

But man for man they are by no means vastly superior to us. You could easily make cases for 8 or 9 of our team to start in their team. (If they were managed by Cody that is). It s a funny set up because it s probably the closest we ve been to them talent-wise in a long time but I never remember us being given such little hope of beating them. 2011 was similar except I think we have a better group of players now.

The u21 win has been a great tonic to banish the ghosts from the Munster final. Since that victory some of the lads have been involved in 3 massive wins in the space of a few weeks, the u21 hammerings of Clare and Tipp and the much-maligned 11 point win over Wexford. People were skeptical about having that u21 game a few days after the Munster final but it actually worked in our favour and gave the lads a chance to bounce back while the hurt was still fresh, and this in turn set us up nicely for the Wexford game and the hangover from the Munster final was pretty much gone. So instead of facing an AI semi with damaged limitations (the feeling after the Munster final) we now find ourselves approaching with a bit of a feel-good factor again and almost a sense that there is nothing to lose.

Unfortunately, once the ball is thrown in we won't see that mentality reflected in the way the team is set up L

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Hi lads, Mayo fan here with a random question... Why are the Waterford women's football team so good when the men's team have never been up to much?

robopaddy2

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Hi lads, Mayo fan here with a random question... Why are the Waterford women's football team so good when the men's team have never been up to much?

Because the heartland of ladies football is up in the Nire valley. Renowned for fiesty, mountainous women. Would eat many of the men in Wateford for breakfast, dinner and supper.

seananigans

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Hi lads, Mayo fan here with a random question... Why are the Waterford women's football team so good when the men's team have never been up to much?

skully ryan was a lot to with it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ryan_(hurler,_born_1955)

i believe at one stage he had both his daughters and wife involed on his team

hurler on de ditch

seananigans wrote: »

skully ryan was a lot to with it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ryan_(hurler,_born_1955)

i believe at one stage he had both his daughters and wife involed on his team

seananigans and Rabopaddy ,liked a comment about my spelling and punctuation's then come out with two post's and its horrendous the errors that are in it ,but instead of playing school teacher's they should have read,what the content was about or the point that i was trying to make.in your own words.Man for man, it s not actually that great a KK team. Compared to some of their predecessors tt doesn t compare ,even Ger Loughnane said so ,they are going for another three in a row or did that escape you, if Waterford were doing this ,you would be saying how they are one of the best teams you have ever seen,Keep it real,

seananigans

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

seananigans and Rabopaddy ,(why a comma there?)liked a comment about my spelling and punctuation's(can't pluralise punctuation) then come out with two post's(errant apostrophe again) and its horrendous(should have had a comma before should) the errors that are in it (non sequitir),but instead of playing school teacher's(seriously, dont use apostrophes for plurals) they should have read,(comma here?) what the content was about(missing comma) or the point that i was trying to make ,also i love the way you say that KK are not all that great ,even Ger Loughnane said so ,they are going for another three in a row or did that escape you, if Waterford were doing this ,you would be saying how they are one of the best teams you have ever seen,Keep it real,

I wasn't having a go, but I am now, I missed one letter in involved, there is no issue being understood, btw when you criticise someone's grammar, you should correct any errors in your post.

commas,apostrophes, and paragraphs they're important, want to make a point fine, make sure people can read it

robopaddy2

'hurler on de ditch said:
seananigans and Rabopaddy ,(why a comma there?)liked a comment about my spelling and punctuation's(can't pluralise punctuation) then come out with two post's(errant apostrophe again) and its horrendous(should have had a comma before should) the errors that are in it (non sequitir),but instead of playing school teacher's(seriously, dont use apostrophes for plurals) they should have read,(comma here?) what the content was about(missing comma) or the point that i was trying to make ,also i love the way you say that KK are not all that great ,even Ger Loughnane said so ,they are going for another three in a row or did that escape you, if Waterford were doing this ,you would be saying how they are one of the best teams you have ever seen,Keep it real'


If you bothered to read my post in full instead of jumping on the first sentence you saw you would see where I'm coming from'.

seananigans

robopaddy2 wrote: »

'hurler on de ditch said:
seananigans and Rabopaddy ,(why a comma there?)liked a comment about my spelling and punctuation's(can't pluralise punctuation) then come out with two post's(errant apostrophe again) and its horrendous(should have had a comma before should) the errors that are in it (non sequitir),but instead of playing school teacher's(seriously, dont use apostrophes for plurals) they should have read,(comma here?) what the content was about(missing comma) or the point that i was trying to make ,also i love the way you say that KK are not all that great ,even Ger Loughnane said so ,they are going for another three in a row or did that escape you, if Waterford were doing this ,you would be saying how they are one of the best teams you have ever seen,Keep it real'


If you bothered to read my post in full instead of jumping on the first sentence you saw you would see where I'm coming from'.

if you bothered to read my post, i pointed out to you your post is unreadable, if you don't punctuate properly nobody is going to read it

hurler on de ditch

seananigans wrote: »

skully ryan was a lot to with it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ryan_(hurler,_born_1955)

i believe at one stage he had both his daughters and wife involed on his team

that should have read. Skully Ryan had a lot to do with it.involved!not involed ,tut tut

hurler on de ditch

seananigans wrote: »

if you bothered to read my post, i pointed out to you your post is unreadable, if you don't punctuate properly nobody is going to read it

Exactly!

hurler on de ditch

seananigans wrote: »

I wasn't having a go, but I am now, I missed one letter in involved, there is no issue being understood, btw when you criticise someone's grammar, you should correct any errors in your post.

commas,apostrophes, and paragraphs they're important, want to make a point fine, make sure people can read it

Make sure people can read it!.

cul beag

Think we will expand on Sunday. I've a feeling McGrath will push more players forward and have a go. I'd say Curran could lose out for Stephen Bennett but that's just my opinion. I think the players owe it to themselves at this stage to put one hell of a performance in as so to banish the memory of that Munster final and also to show some progress as part of the 3 year plan. Will McGrath bow to public pressure and leave them hurl more freely? I think he will. If Stephen Bennett is part of 3 man full forward line that actually stays within scoring range he could do damage especially the form he's in at the moment.

tbiggertycome

Jesus this is great lad ye're fighting amongst ye'reselves already.:D

Although why ye're getting so hot under the collar over a bit of grammar I don't know.

Classic Cody, divide and conquer.:rolleyes:

Really lads and lassies get back to the match.

How can ye beat us by modifying McGraths system because ye all know he won't stray too far from it. Ye will need goals how can ye get them with so few men up front? Will ye attack in waves and actually support the forwards? Or is it just hit and hope Maurice, etc wins a high ball breaks free and slots one?
Can ye beat us on points alone if ye keep us out of ye're goal?

tbiggertycome

cul beag wrote: »

Think we will expand on Sunday. I've a feeling McGrath will push more players forward and have a go. I'd say Curran could lose out for Stephen Bennett but that's just my opinion. I think the players owe it to themselves at this stage to put one hell of a performance in as so to banish the memory of that Munster final and also to show some progress as part of the 3 year plan. Will McGrath bow to public pressure and leave them hurl more freely? I think he will.Wishful thinking if McGraths interviews and form up to now are anything to go by, I would love if he did it would actually make a game of it If Stephen Bennett is part of 3 man full forward line that actually stays within scoring range he could do damage especially the form he's in at the moment.There is zero doubt that he is in great form and is a very exciting talent with tons of potential however U21 and Senior are like night and day and it is a huge step up. I would say the reason he hasn't got a go so far is that he hasn't been able to reproduce that form enough against ye're senior defenders in training

TBH I would be very worried if ye played a 15 on 15 with the talent ye have but with your current manager and system, the only way I can see it swinging ye're way is if we don't turn up performing 100%. That is definitely possible and has happened us before but ye shouldn't be relying on us having an off day.

bullpost

My fear is that we will not cut loose for fear of shipping another big defeat which would probably mean the end for the current management.

tbiggertycome wrote: »

TBH I would be very worried if ye played a 15 on 15 with the talent ye have but with your current manager and system, the only way I can see it swinging ye're way is if we don't turn up performing 100%. That is definitely possible and has happened us before but ye shouldn't be relying on us having an off day.

JeffKenna

No point cutting loose from the start and shipping a few early goals. What the vast majority of supporters want to see is a willingness to move away from the system if it's not going to plan in the second half. Looking back to last year we should have went for it with 20 mins left. Management need to be brave and make that decision on the day.

hurler on de ditch

tbiggertycome wrote: »

TBH I would be very worried if ye played a 15 on 15 with the talent ye have but with your current manager and system, the only way I can see it swinging ye're way is if we don't turn up performing 100%. That is definitely possible and has happened us before but ye shouldn't be relying on us having an off day.

if we do and its a big if,if we do beat ye its not because ye didn't turn up or perform 100% ,its because we were a better team on the day and got a higher score,SIMPLE.Ye cant always blame yourselves for not showing up ,some day ye will have to give credit to the winners ,hows my grammar,lol

tbiggertycome

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

if we do and its a big if,if we do beat ye its not because ye didn't turn up or perform 100% ,its because we were a better team on the day and got a higher score,SIMPLE.Ye cant always blame yourselves for not showing up ,some day ye will have to give credit to the winners ,hows my grammar,lol

I completely agree and no doubt ye would be the better team on the day if ye win. Any team that beats another is better than the defeated team that was not what I meant by what I wrote. It is my belief that if these Kilkenny players turn up and play to their full potential they will win this game if ye play the sweeper system no matter how well ye play. If they take ye for granted and if they are not totally focused and all working themselves into the ground then we will be beat.

PTH2009

Ourselves vs Tipperary in 2008
Limerick vs ourselves in 2007
Donegal vs Dublin in 2014
To an extent Galway vs Kilkenny in 2001 & 2005
Antrim under 21s vs Wexford in 2013

Shocks do happen in semis and anything can happen on the day

Could be a year or 2 too early for us to beat Kilkenny but it's great to be going to Croke Park and too also have a under 21 AI semi final on the 20th August

I reckon there's a delay in announcing the under 21 semis incase the Galway seniors draw with Tipperary on the 14th and the replay will be on the weekend after (20th/21st).

hurler on de ditch

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I completely agree and no doubt ye would be the better team on the day if ye win. Any team that beats another is better than the defeated team that was not what I meant by what I wrote. It is my belief that if these Kilkenny players turn up and play to their full potential they will win this game if ye play the sweeper system no matter how well ye play. If they take ye for granted and if they are not totally focused and all working themselves into the ground then we will be beat.

i think anyone that does not show up or on their game for KK is usually spotted early and they don't really see out the half or you wont see the second half,that's the beauty of the KK set up ,as Cody said you don't have all day to win an All Ireland you only have 70 odd minutes,don't let lads suffer,that does not make them a bad player it only proves that for some reason they are being bettered on the day,they are substituted regardless of whom they are, or what they have achieved ,we just like to leave lads on and hope it gets better ,

Jjjjjjjbarry

How's everyone getting on with tickets? Absolute muck on tickets.ie! Might have to go terrace if nothing improves.