Moderation of trans issue and terms

El Gato De Negocios

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503042#Comment_123503042

Hold on a minute there hoss, dont be going misrepresenting what i said please. I said a particular person, who displayed multiple instances of mentalist behavior was a mentalist.

There was no "those", it was one person and anyone that remembers said person will know precisely why I use that term and I unequivocally stand by it. So please don't use the stock standard straw man/they/them/non binary/whatever lying tactic to try and shut discussion down.

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503682#Comment_123503682

Because this isn't about me and my life story. This is about the rights of women in general to same sex spaces. I know that is a concern to other women. Look at Sandie Peggy or the Darlington nurses. Concern for trans people shouldn't mean that the rights of other people are infringed upon.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503693#Comment_123503693

well, no one asked, but I’ll tell ya anyway.

What i think is that in 2025 we can use our collective senses to develop a stratagem whereby we can live together as we are without purposely causing offence or infringing on the rights, beliefs and values of others.

I don’t think women need be erased in order for transgender people to be liberated and I don’t think transgender people need to stay in the shadows so women do not feel pushed aside.

We can and should work together to share our feelings and concerns on the topics surrounding the divide and rather than browbeat one another into submission by telling each other how wrong we are- rather we use our common sense and human decency to form a solution beneficial to all.

Of course there will always be those who seek to destroy any attempt and unity among minorities and the majority but if history has taught us nothing it is that we are capable of solving these situations.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503709#Comment_123503709

right then so it’s never happened to you so you are worrying about nothing.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503709#Comment_123503709

And still no answer to the question asked of you many times now, you claim you have no issue sharing a changing space with trans men, how would you know they are a trans man ?

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503693#Comment_123503693

No I don't and I would fully be in agreement with respecting anyone and calling them as they would prefer.

I have very strong opinions about this being kept away from kids or infringing on women's rights.

The majority of people posting on boards who are supposedly transphobic argue for those.

If boards was rampant with transphobia then posters would be banned.

The fact is that the majority of people don't know terms or don't care about learning terms to not offend trans people.

You are a perfect example you are in favour of this and misspelled a word that is offensive earlier.

But the majority of people who post don't deliberately insult trans people.

Raichų

I don’t know what will come of this thread anyway. Likely nothing because really there’s nothing to be done here.

You’re not going to make everyone happy. You can’t force people to align with what you believe it’s not reasonable to suggest that applying filters to terms that are considered by some to be bad and others to not be is completely draconian.

Like comparing “trans identifying male” to calling someone the N word is absolutely ludicrous. It’s absurd. How can you even compare the two?

Christ save us the argument opens by comparing the N word to “misgendering” someone? I’d have to imagine most black or coloured folks would rather be called the opposite gender than the N word like.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503703#Comment_123503703

What was the context here?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503750#Comment_123503750

No I did not. I told the poster that the 2 words he wrote looked exactly the same on my mobile. Someone else posted about the words as they saw them.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503024#Comment_123503024

People who are discussing possible solutions or options in how boards moderates this topic should be encouraged in this thread.

But we have people discussing changing rooms and the usual talking points at the same time. There are 2 concurrent discussions in this thread. 1 is for the actual topic at hand, which is the minority of posts. And 1 is people just discussing transgenderism, and loudly in some instances in a very intolerant way.

If this was properly moderated all non-relevant posts would be removed. And posters would be warned on the actual topic of this thread. And maybe some good would come out of this, or at least we'd know how much anti-trans opinion can be given before it's too much

baxterooneydoody

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503671#Comment_123503671

You may not care but trans people seem to, I also don't think anyone is trying to take my beliefs as I never mentioned anything of the sort so I don't know where you came up with that fabrication.

I won't tell any trans what they are, I just don't believe it myself, which seems to be a problem for trans peope who seem to think I should think like them and believe they're male when they're female or vice versa

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503727#Comment_123503727

I'm not worrying about anything. I am stating that women in society should be entitled to same sex spaces when it comes to changing rooms, prisons, shelters, hospital wards or anywere else were safety or privacy of women is of a concern. It is not pearl clutching to object to biological men being allowed into what were formerly same sex female spaces. I would also support men who are uncomfortable with transmen in a mens same sex facility.

You have also sidesteped my point about how transwomen being uncomfortable changing with biological men is somehow not pearl clutching but women being uncomfortable with biologcal men changing alongside them is.

You've decided to focus on the irrelevancy of whether this has or has not happened to me because you actually have no good answer as to why concerns of trans people are more important than those of women. So instead focus on discrediting me.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503832#Comment_123503832

The key issue I have with moderation across boards is that when a trans man or woman is mentioned there'll be somebody who feels the burning need to just post "don't you mean woman or man? #biology" or something like that.

It doesn't add to the topic. It isn't necessary. And even if you fundamentally believe that a trans man is a woman and that can never change, what benefit does it serve to point that out, other than making you feel a little bit good and making any trans person who reads this feel crap?

Is it that hard to just say nothing? Or is the goal of some people in this thread just to get permission to be allowed sya what they want across all threads?

(note, I am not directing these comments directly at, I'm just using their comment as a starting point) directly at @baxterooneydoody

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503857#Comment_123503857

Speaking of side stepping........ Are you ever going to answer the question, or admit that you cannot?

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503803#Comment_123503803

Thread banned for stating the dictionary definition of a woman. The context being a discussion around Lia Thomas competing in the girls/women's swimming events.

Ha Long Bay

This is worth a watch for anyone who has not seen it.

It discusses many of the topics raised in CA especially around sport.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flSS1tjoxf0

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503857#Comment_123503857

of course they should. You’re assuming I disagree.

I’m just saying, when’s it happened to you to the point you need to repeat it so often?

Who cares if people disagree with you. Do what I do, chalk em up as stupid as move on.

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504062#Comment_123504062

You called it pearl clutching bullshit.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504102#Comment_123504102

it is because it’s not really happening but that’s not to suggest I think it should start happening en masse.
Myself anyway if I were trans I imagine I’d rather use single occupancy changing rooms and if I used a public restroom I’d again go for unisex single occupancy or the disabled one.

I just don’t think that many trans people want to even have to explain themselves so it’s easier to not use them right? I get that some people are all for it and I think the same people who’d compare misgendering someone to saying the N word are inclined to call any opposed a transphobe.

I think a lot of this thread is pearl clutching bullshit for the record.

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504114#Comment_123504114

This is what you said:

"This talk of changing rooms is also stupid. Oh no the trans people might see the naked ladies- what about the potential lesbians in the room are you not worried about them spying on you? What would exclude them from wanting to do so more than a trans person?

I mean it’s silly. Just more pearl clutching bullshit. I’ve bigger problems to take with things like “birthing person” and “chest feeding” than I ever will with people just living their best life."

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504129#Comment_123504129

You said you would have no issue sharing a changing room with a trans man, but couldn't explain how you would know.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123503756#Comment_123503756

For the umpteenth time, this thread is not about trying to make anyone align to what anyone else believes. It's not about changing rooms, or sports, or any of that. Jesus wept, how many times does that need to be repeated? It's about having some basic common decency when discussing trans people and Boards.ie enforcing their own policies on same.

Would you ever question a person of colour on why they find the N word offensive? Or why you shouldn't use it? Or do you just accept (as most people do) that it's not an appropriate word to use to describe people of colour.

And yes, before anyone comes at me - you will always be able to find a small minority of people of colour who won't take offense to the N word. Does that mean that word should be allowed to be used on Boards with impunity? Because a small number of people of colour wouldn't be bothered? Because I'm pretty sure Boards doesn't obscure the N word from appearing on the site for the good of their own health. The same applies to the C word.

Maybe you can't fully understand why trans people are offended by the term "trans identifying male/female" being used to describe them but the fact is very many of them do. Why not listen to the actual group of people impacted, and take on board that they feel it misgenders them, invalidates them, and is offensive to them, and find an alternative term to use?

Because I mean, it's not like there aren't any less offensive alternatives available. Terms that the transgender community themselves use. Like "assigned male/female at birth". (AMAB or AMAF if you need an acronym and find typing that is too "clunky").

Indeed, what I find ironic is that I've seen one of the biggest defenders of the so-called "necessary" use of transphobic language use these alternatives themselves, so it's not like they are unaware that there are better ways to communicate and less offensive alternatives available.

I can now only believe it must be a deliberate choice to use the terms they know will deliver the most offence, because basically they have confirmed they have no respect for transgender people, don't accept them and couldn't care less about offending them. And quite frankly, I don't care what toxic swamp these people want to dwell in. Karma has patience.

But - and the actual point of this thread - is that by allowing the current level of transphobia and transphobic language to continue here, Boards.ie are failing to implement their own policies. And it's seems apparent now that they are not going to either change that policy, or enforce it.

Up until the last hour or so, I haven't reported any posts on this thread for transphobia or transphobic language, as I was hopeful that the Boards mods would at least be able to recognise it and would take the opportunity to step in and deal with it themselves without the need for reports. I now realise that hope was false.

Well, I will be taking a zero tolerance approach from now on. If reporting every single instance is how it has to be, then so be it.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504171#Comment_123504171

May as well, truth be told it'll probably just be locked anyway and nothing will be done.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504171#Comment_123504171

I thought you were going to enjoy your weekend?

I’d do that instead of worrying so much about what other people online say. You’re not going to get what you’re asking for or suggesting or whatever it is.

In a sane world it just won’t happen. I mean look at the farce that’s developed on that back of the suggestion in fairness? The idea can’t even be discussed properly without descending into chaos so what hope reasonably is there of it ever being implemented if it can’t even be talked about?

I’d recommend just caring less but I imagine that’s unspeakable.

taxAHcruel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504171#Comment_123504171

TL:dr

:)

Actually I dont mean it. I will read what you wrote, as soon as I have time!

Shame you have no intention of showing me the same respect.

In fairness to me at least I did not use the "wall of text" cop out :p :p :p

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504272#Comment_123504272

Well, if everyone took that attitude and never spoke up, nothing would ever change.

It would still be seen as acceptable to call people of colour the N word, or gay people the F word.

I'm not the type who will turn a blind eye and pretend something isn't happening, for the sake of a quiet life.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504171#Comment_123504171

I haven't read the whole thread, just the odd few posts here and there. I'd agree with your post, but was there anything else you'd want added to the swear filter apart from 'trans identifying male/female'? (people might be using that phrase as they saw it elsewhere, but I'd agree it was coined in order to antagonise, and should be avoided)

Other phrases like 'biological male' are kind of unavoidable in threads to do with trans women in sport, for eg.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504300#Comment_123504300

but you’re not really doing anything but suggesting transphobic words be filtered while simultaneously refusing to provide any example thereof.

So it’s really the same as doing nothing. Cos you are sort of doing nothing but the obvious starting an argument which I suspect you knew would be the result of your suggestion.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504305#Comment_123504305

I never actually specified any words or phrases to be filtered.

In all honestly, the suggestion of a word filter in my op was kind of an afterthought, because I was really hoped what would happen would be Boards.ie would step up their game and it wouldn't come to that.

But now, I think it might actually be the only thing that could make some people who have shown they couldn't care less about causing offence to trans people, to stop.

I personally believe it is quite possible to substitute "biological male/female" with "assigned male/female at birth" with ease.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123504320#Comment_123504320

I deliberately did not give examples because I knew I would be accused of "making demands", or "forcing others to believe" this, that or the other, blah blah blah. But if you'd read the thread, you'd know that.

And it happened anyway.