Frasier sequel ordered to series **Spoilers**

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850435#Comment_122850435

Think the warning signs were flashing the moment David appeared, in terms of the writing calibre. If you put that character in the real word, the man question would be, "Is he capable of living independently? Does he need to be put into care?"

Completely changing Freddy was another bad move. He didn't inherit any personality traits from his portrayal as a child, which isn't particularly realistic.

The lesson is that if you're going to revive beloved classic shows, you'd better have as many of the original people as possible, both in front of and behind the camera.

Newbie12345The

Freddy was changing/rebelling against his parents at the end of Fraiser (seattle era) and being more like his grandad wasnt too far away from the truth

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850435#Comment_122850435

That can't be right, though. How can you make a show that's a follow up to another if you don't watch the source material?

I've cancelled my Paramount Plus subscription and I lost interest in this some time ago. I think something more focused on Frasier and Alan with maybe some input from the old Cheers gang could have been really, really good. It could have addressed the relentless pace of societal change. This on the other hand accomplishes nothing. I think it permanently broke for me when you had the same woman interested a man in his sixties and a man in his twenties at the same time.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123072310#Comment_123072310

Ive watched a few episodes of the original today, and despite having seen it a million times before, in each 22 minute episode, theres at least 5 or 6 laugh out loud moments and some really clever lines.

Niles: I'm not interrupting anything am I?

Roz: Yeah, your Dad and i just eloped, I'm your new Mom.

Nile: Well, I'll be a son of a bitch!

I didn't see any clever writing in the sequel.

.red.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123072956#Comment_123072956

That's one of those scenes where I've seen it so many times that I know the Niles punchline line is coming and I still laugh at it, every time.

The new seasons were terrible, and that's being nice. I'm kind of glad their binning it cos it was a shame to see such a fantastically funny and well written show go so, so poor but I'd still have kept watching if they kept it going.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123073391#Comment_123073391

At Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the tunneling electron microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building block of our universe. If I were using that microscope right now... I still wouldn't be able to locate my interest in watching any more of the sequel series.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123072956#Comment_123072956

I watched the pilot yesterday on Channel 4. It's amazing how well casted and well written the original is.

LambshankRedemption

Poppy does a review of A Streetcar Named Desire by Tennessee Williams

Frasier: Wasn't that very good!

Niles: Yes, I wish you had lent her your Tennessee Williams book. Then she wouldnt have forgotten his name and keep calling him Indiana Jones.

Oscar_Madison

Got to watch season 1 at last - it’s not terrible and some good moments but obviously quality of the writing and the characters just not what it was in the original.

Frasier was superior to Cheers in so many ways- I’m afraid this isn’t up to the standard of either- but I did enjoy it

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123072310#Comment_123072310

The only real "gripe" I had with Fraiser was the tendency for him to date women seemingly quite a bit younger than him and way more attractive. I put gripe in quotes as it didn't bother me but was just an observation. As if Grammer himself was involved with the casting… I call it "The Adam Sandler Effect" :).

As for the writers/production crew not watching the original, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens a lot. Especially if there is an extended gap between series. Apparently the team behind the last iteration of The Muppet Show (In the style of Arrested Development) didn't watch the series either. And it shows.

I'm assuming is the C-suite looking to "Poochify" a series. "Make it for this generation. Nobody wants that stale old stuff"….. It rarely works. It COULD have worked. (I will not pass judgement on the show as I have not seen it and that would not be fair).

It COULD have worked. And, as you say, could have had a slightly more serious tone. Not a drama or anything but just throw in some serious elements there.

The very fact that Lindhurst is in it brigs me to Only Fools: You have your broad comedy, some of it predictable and hokey but still fun. You have your slapstick - The bar fall. The iconic chandelier. And you have serious elements. Miscarriages and the pain involved. Rodney finding out who his father was (even if that was just a setup for a spin-off).

You COULD do that. As someone mentioned above, the breakneck speed of modern society compared to Cheers and original run of Fraiser. Could make commentary on toxic masculinity, the mental health dangers of social media and influencers. The stresses of a world where one is always contactable/work stresses. I'm not saying they should revolve around these aspects of course but you could work them in in a careful way if your production staff had the skill or inclination. I think there is a gap for that. Something that would pique people's interest.

I did see approx 5 mins of one episode and there was so much canned laughter that I turned away and said I'd watch it when in a better mood. My criteria for giving a comedy series a go is: If the 'audience' laughs 5 times and I don't break a smile, I'm out. I didn't smile within the requisite 5 laughs but it's not totally foolproof so I will try again.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123072956#Comment_123072956

Whoever had the idea to have Fraiser brother Niles play such an opposite kind of character to Frasier was a stroke of brilliance.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123400700#Comment_123400700

And played brilliantly by David Hyde Pierse. The episode with Nightmare Inn where they broadcast the live play and Niles has to do all the voices is truly genius.