Mandatory vaccination in Ireland

AJG · 10-01-2022 9:59am #1

https://www.thejournal.ie/nphet-mandatory-vaccines-5650054-Jan2022/

Any thoughts on this given the large uptake of vaccination for Covid in Ireland?

Lumen · 10-01-2022 10:06am

NPHET are attempting to restore their reputatation after the unforeseen disaster of accidentally getting their case projections right.

[Deleted User] · 10-01-2022 10:11am

I am 100% against mandatory vaccination.

We've already gone down some bad roads in the response to covid and this would be a very bad one.

FintanMcluskey · 10-01-2022 10:14am

NPHET have really become such a monster.

Their remit was to advise government on the Covid situation.

Not discuss this type of thing

Mandatory 3 monthly vaccinations??? Piss off

And that's from someone who is currently considered "vaccinated"

[Deleted User] · 10-01-2022 10:15am

A step way too far. No way should we introduce mandatory vaccinations for this. It goes against all our rights. Right to bodily integrity, right to privacy etc.

at the moment they are forcing people by stealth to get the vaccine. That's far enough imo.

Raichu · 10-01-2022 10:16am

i don’t see this one happening but I can’t say I’m for it either. Have no fear of the vaccines, but at the same time I don’t we should force people to get them either.

Crocodile Booze · 10-01-2022 10:23am

I'm vaccinated by choice. No way should it be mandatory, as we see can see how crazy the paranoid anti-everything brigade are already, so could only imagine how they would lose the plot altogether.

Pawwed Rig · 10-01-2022 10:28am

Triple vaxxed myself but I cannot see how mandatory vaccinations could ever be accepted in this country. Not that long ago we had a referendum that focused on a person's bodily integrity. My body my choice works for more than 1 issue.

Anyone who marched and supported pro choice arguments in the abortion referendum would be a hypocrite if the were now to support mandatory vaccination. I would go further tbh and encourage the govt to condemn countries like Austria who try to bring this in.

KieferFan69 · 10-01-2022 10:29am

Anybody who still thinks this is about public health is not the full shilling.

[Deleted User] · 10-01-2022 10:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447764#Comment_118447764

Oh but they're "public health experts" and we should listen to them because they're "public health experts".

The same "public health experts" who have had covid tunnel vision for the past two years causing untold damage to people's health. Missed diagnosises, delayed treatments and cancelled elective surgery. Not to mention the serious mental health impact which we haven't seen the worst of yet.

They were great for doing predictive models of how many would die from covid. I would have liked to see some models for how many would die from the response to covid by missing diagnosises, delayed treatment or committing suicide.

The response to covid was worse than covid itself but sure, let's keep following what the "public health experts" tell us.

Raichu · 10-01-2022 10:32am

Guys - cycling gloves is a brand new, obviously troll account. Just report and ignore

Cluedo Monopoly · 10-01-2022 10:34am

I doubt it will ever happen. I think they probably have to discuss it because other countries are looking at it. Probably just a kite.

Has any vaccine ever been mandatory before in Ireland ?

faceman · 10-01-2022 10:36am

It’ll never happen in Ireland as we don’t have a national identity scheme and the privacy rules.

Its sad really. The human right to choice trumps the right to live and the right to protect the most vulnerable in society. Something that is covered by the human rights charter.

I guess most people are only interested in human rights if it effects them directly.

Risteard81 · 10-01-2022 11:04am

I will use any level of force necessary to prevent the infringement of my bodily rights.

silverharp · 10-01-2022 11:11am

is there a constitutional case in it a la the Ryan flouridation case based on bodily integrity ?

PommieBast · 10-01-2022 11:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447848#Comment_118447848

Singapore has the right idea. Unvaccinated Covid patients get billed for their hospital stay.

KieferFan69 · 10-01-2022 11:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448033#Comment_118448033

Hopefully totalitarian bio-security police state measures like this will force more people, regardless of vaccination status, to march together in solidarity.

KieferFan69 · 10-01-2022 11:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448082#Comment_118448082

How very far-right of you.

Chips Lovell · 10-01-2022 11:18am

If this were to come about, and I wouldn't say for sure it would be deemed necessary, you'd expect it'll be "mandatory" in the sense of extending the existing vaccine mandate, as opposed to the totally unrealistic prospect of prosecuting the vaccinated or using any level of force.

So all it could mean is that all forms of public places such as workplaces and schools will require vaccination to enter.

[Deleted User] · 10-01-2022 11:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448066#Comment_118448066

Mrs Ryan actually lost that case, but the court did acknowledge the right to bodily integrity, it just didn't set a precedent.

There no way this will happen

seamus · 10-01-2022 11:20am

It's a clickbait headline. Mandatory vaccination is not on NPHETs active agenda or roadmap.

And whatever justification for it may have existed with Delta has been completely removed with Omicron.

Risteard81 · 10-01-2022 11:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448109#Comment_118448109

There was never justification, nor could there ever be.

[Deleted User] · 10-01-2022 11:22am

It's a good idea when vaccine uptake percentages are on the decline.

We got enough leeway to get above 90% voluntarily.

It's time for the government to take us the rest of the way home.

seamus · 10-01-2022 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448114#Comment_118448114

The bar for mandatory vaccine is high, but it's there. By stating that something can never be justified, you're basically saying that you would rather people die preventable deaths than violate a principle.

That's fine for you, if you would rather die than violate your principles than that's your call. A state cannot take the same approach.

KieferFan69 · 10-01-2022 11:27am

“So all it could mean is that all forms of public places such as workplaces and schools will require vaccination to enter”

Grand so. Not really mandatory at all.

KieferFan69 · 10-01-2022 11:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448136#Comment_118448136

He didn’t say it could never be justified though. He said the justification in terms of the history of this particular illness has never been there.

MTU · 10-01-2022 11:31am

Michael and Leo would have to personally perform the vaccinations.

Risteard81 · 10-01-2022 11:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448136#Comment_118448136

Principles are absolute. Otherwise they're not principles, but merely tactics. It's the anti-Republican Provisional Movement who cannot understand principles, and it's why they're awful people.

seamus · 10-01-2022 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448155#Comment_118448155

That's not the case either though. If vaccination uptake was low and Delta remained dominant there would have absolutely been justification for it.

Bull-headed refusal to even discuss a measure is pure ignorance. A wilful desire to put emotion above facts.

Mrs OBumble · 10-01-2022 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448082#Comment_118448082

Imagine a woman who has a baby which is disabled, despite being advised of the issue before birth and offered an abortion.

Should she be billed for the child's medical care?

terrytrap · 10-01-2022 11:33am

I am surprised by the situation how people are afraid of compulsory vaccination. I think that everything is not so scary as many people think.

Mandatory vaccination in Ireland

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