Any thoughts on this given the large uptake of vaccination for Covid in Ireland?
Principles are absolute. Otherwise they're not principles, but merely tactics. It's the anti-Republican Provisional Movement who cannot understand principles, and it's why they're awful people.
Michael and Leo would have to personally perform the vaccinations.
He didn’t say it could never be justified though. He said the justification in terms of the history of this particular illness has never been there.
“So all it could mean is that all forms of public places such as workplaces and schools will require vaccination to enter”
Grand so. Not really mandatory at all.
The bar for mandatory vaccine is high, but it's there. By stating that something can never be justified, you're basically saying that you would rather people die preventable deaths than violate a principle.
That's fine for you, if you would rather die than violate your principles than that's your call. A state cannot take the same approach.
It's a good idea when vaccine uptake percentages are on the decline.
We got enough leeway to get above 90% voluntarily.
It's time for the government to take us the rest of the way home.
There was never justification, nor could there ever be.
It's a clickbait headline. Mandatory vaccination is not on NPHETs active agenda or roadmap.
And whatever justification for it may have existed with Delta has been completely removed with Omicron.
Mrs Ryan actually lost that case, but the court did acknowledge the right to bodily integrity, it just didn't set a precedent.
There no way this will happen
If this were to come about, and I wouldn't say for sure it would be deemed necessary, you'd expect it'll be "mandatory" in the sense of extending the existing vaccine mandate, as opposed to the totally unrealistic prospect of prosecuting the vaccinated or using any level of force.
So all it could mean is that all forms of public places such as workplaces and schools will require vaccination to enter.
How very far-right of you.
Hopefully totalitarian bio-security police state measures like this will force more people, regardless of vaccination status, to march together in solidarity.
Singapore has the right idea. Unvaccinated Covid patients get billed for their hospital stay.
is there a constitutional case in it a la the Ryan flouridation case based on bodily integrity ?
I will use any level of force necessary to prevent the infringement of my bodily rights.
It’ll never happen in Ireland as we don’t have a national identity scheme and the privacy rules.
Its sad really. The human right to choice trumps the right to live and the right to protect the most vulnerable in society. Something that is covered by the human rights charter.
I guess most people are only interested in human rights if it effects them directly.
I doubt it will ever happen. I think they probably have to discuss it because other countries are looking at it. Probably just a kite.
Has any vaccine ever been mandatory before in Ireland ?
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Oh but they're "public health experts" and we should listen to them because they're "public health experts".
The same "public health experts" who have had covid tunnel vision for the past two years causing untold damage to people's health. Missed diagnosises, delayed treatments and cancelled elective surgery. Not to mention the serious mental health impact which we haven't seen the worst of yet.
They were great for doing predictive models of how many would die from covid. I would have liked to see some models for how many would die from the response to covid by missing diagnosises, delayed treatment or committing suicide.
The response to covid was worse than covid itself but sure, let's keep following what the "public health experts" tell us.
Anybody who still thinks this is about public health is not the full shilling.
Triple vaxxed myself but I cannot see how mandatory vaccinations could ever be accepted in this country. Not that long ago we had a referendum that focused on a person's bodily integrity. My body my choice works for more than 1 issue.
Anyone who marched and supported pro choice arguments in the abortion referendum would be a hypocrite if the were now to support mandatory vaccination. I would go further tbh and encourage the govt to condemn countries like Austria who try to bring this in.
I'm vaccinated by choice. No way should it be mandatory, as we see can see how crazy the paranoid anti-everything brigade are already, so could only imagine how they would lose the plot altogether.
i don’t see this one happening but I can’t say I’m for it either. Have no fear of the vaccines, but at the same time I don’t we should force people to get them either.
A step way too far. No way should we introduce mandatory vaccinations for this. It goes against all our rights. Right to bodily integrity, right to privacy etc.
at the moment they are forcing people by stealth to get the vaccine. That's far enough imo.
NPHET have really become such a monster.
Their remit was to advise government on the Covid situation.
Not discuss this type of thing
Mandatory 3 monthly vaccinations??? Piss off
And that's from someone who is currently considered "vaccinated"
I am 100% against mandatory vaccination.
We've already gone down some bad roads in the response to covid and this would be a very bad one.
NPHET are attempting to restore their reputatation after the unforeseen disaster of accidentally getting their case projections right.
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