Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

corcaigh07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305152#Comment_118305152

Genuinely interested, do you have a source for that stat?

Beasty

It's been repeated time after time:

Remain civil at all times

Drop the Conspiracy Theory nonsense

Drop the blatant abuse of public officials

Drop the merest hint of a reference to the Cervical Cancer issue

If any of you are really struggling to understand these instructions, drop me a PM and I will see if I can make it any simpler for you

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305282#Comment_118305282

One of the reports is here, people better than me on here have gone through the numbers to figure out the %'s:

Vaccination status of confirmed COVID-19 cases in Ireland Week 46.pdf (hpsc.ie)

(basically doing a diff between reports to get up to date figures). Other than that, it's usually tweets from officials, other countries see similar data and present it better (basically the lower vaccinated % the more beds the unvaccinated take up). Austria and Netherlands are 2 that come to mind.

And this is those who can be vaccinated but didn't, the people who can't be vaccinated would be a rounding difference within 1% in any of the figures.

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118302318#Comment_118302318

You raise a very interesting point.

The age issue you mention was correct up until the middle of 2020.

However,and perhaps surprisingly,once the fact that Contracting Covid-19 was NOT an automatic death sentence for MOST people became known,the middle-aged began to steadily make alternative socialising arrangements.

Nothing on a massive scale,but rather a slow,steady change in their determination to remain Human,as opposed to the safer and Expert recommended isolation procedures,which appear to be a cornerstone of the Covid "fight" in these parts.

So,I would suggest that the middle-aged are engaging in somewhat more House "Gatherings" as opposed to Parties,but ye never know,given enough alcohol,one can swiftly morph into the other !

That being said,it is obvious how a significant swathe of our Society now appear to be reluctant to contemplate a return to "Normality" and instead become more comfortable with each new restriction imposed upon them.

Makes me wonder how it's playing out in North Korea ?

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305831#Comment_118305831

I guess we might have to agree on house party definition. I used to go to them all the time. They were brilliant. Crazy nights. What my social circles do now are very different ha. Anecdotal obviously.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305862#Comment_118305862

Have to say house parties never appealed to me. Would dread it when someone would say come back to ours for a few drinks at the end of a night. That was pre covid defo wouldn't go to one now.🤣

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118304156#Comment_118304156

I suggest we have been "post pandemic" since mid 2020.

However even after Covid-19 had been laid bare before us,and it's methodology better understood,our requirement for a variety of "Emergency Legislation" based restrictions apparently Increased ?

The World has had a refresher course in Virus conduct,and in the protective measures against them,which when all is said and done,has been the same for almost 2 centuries.

What IS different,this time round,is the immediacy and incidious nature of the Worl Wide Web and its many Social Media outlets,all providing new found proof of how to control and direct entire Social Groupings to a common end.

The "Public Health Emergency" is long past....the other "Emergencies" remain,unaddressed and largely unnoticed until it becomes permitted to direct the public gaze towards them.....😨

PicardWithHair

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/ireland-seems-to-have-no-exit-strategy-for-our-vaccine-pass-system-1.4751413

I find this very positive that the IT are reporting this, a year ago they would have considered this kind of talk far right conspiracy ..

Backstreet Moyes

What I find amazing is we have 94% of the eligible population who took the vacine.

You would imagine a few % of the 6 % is took up from people who are advised against taking it by doctors and pregnant woman.

Then you have foriegners and from my personal experience of who I know didnt take the vaccine, paranoid or not intelligent people who I would say are very unlikely to be on boards.

Yet a handful of posters spend the majority of their posts calling anyone here anti vaxers for any time they post anything negative about the vaccine.

Boards is a strange place at times.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118306783#Comment_118306783

Incredible, even journalists are seeing sense

Mr. Karate

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118306783#Comment_118306783

This time next year Varadkar will be back in the driver's seat. That's Martin's "exit strategy". Keep kicking the can down the road until its Varadkar's problem again.

PicardWithHair

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118306901#Comment_118306901

And slowly slowly slowly if they see sense so will the public, and that and only then is when this ends.....

on the other hand ...

... I was talking recently to my Dad's partner and she really believes we will all be safe and back to "normal" once 100% of the pop is vaccinated

PicardWithHair

I saw a BBC headline yesterday ...

"3rd Booster shot crucial in defeating Omicron variant" ...

Good timing isn't it !!!!! 🙄

Next Winter 2022 :

"4th Booster shot crucial in defeating Zeta variant" ...

2023 ...

"5th Booster shot crucial in defeating Omega variant" ...

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20xx

"zth Booster shot crucial in defeating ZetaZetaOmegaPhi variant" ..."

Stormyteacup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118306783#Comment_118306783

Great article and I’ve posted up a couple by Mark Paul in the past.

This line stood out for me;

”But surely then there would be a desire for people to prove they had the new Omicron vaccine booster, and a renewed clamour to extend the vaccine pass system all over again.”

Virtue signalling being called out, first time for me seeing that in widely-seen national media (would say MSM but know what that would label me).

PicardWithHair

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307021#Comment_118307021

A few here have been pointing out this infinite chasing our tails approach and have been blasted as conspiracy nuts, the only person in Irish media that was doing the same was Niall Boylan.

So it's good to see the snobby IT reporting on it, now if RTE could only do the same ???.....

PicardWithHair

I see "experts" in the UK are predicting Omicron will cause 75K deaths in the UK in the next 5 months ...

Does anyone believe this utter fearmongering tripe ?

How come they aren't shut down for misinformation ?

Beasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307220#Comment_118307220

Stick to the Omicron thread

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305152#Comment_118305152

Who are the unvaccinated in the hospital beds? Who do you really think they are? Fit? Health conscious?

Don't you think a lot of these people would be taking up hospital beds anyway?

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307230#Comment_118307230

Ah no. Definitely only there because of covid.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307230#Comment_118307230

They skew younger than the vaccinated and it was in reply to this:

 If 92% of the population is vaccinated then why do we need the restrictions?

If we had more of our hospital capacity available then less restrictions would be needed, the last 6-7% are probably a lost cause, so we'll be restricted until spring time.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307405#Comment_118307405

You think they are admitted for something else then get counted as a COVID patient? There are separate numbers for non-COVID admittances, but do elaborate, you might be close to blowing the case wide open.

Elmer Blooker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307220#Comment_118307220

How come these “experts” aren’t called conspiracy theory loonies?

d22ontour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118305152#Comment_118305152

I like reading your posts but something about this 50% puzzles me.

I agree the vaccine has helped in reducing hospital cases and deaths substantially.

87% of ICU admissions have underlying conditions according to something I read here.

Let's say there is 100 in ICU because my maths suck to make it easier for me.

There are 87 people with underlying conditions in ICU vaxxed and unvaxxed who who would probably be there regardless of vaccination status?

That leaves 13 people with no underlying conditions who are in ICU.

We don't know what ages for anyone but I may have read there are 40 pregnant unvaxxed women in ICU,lets say almost half of everyone in ICU is pregnant but unvaxxed.

We are probably looking at 6 or 7 unvaxxed people in the whole country in ICU who have no underlying conditions or are pregnant?

If these numbers are even close to being right, we are been restricted due to 6 or 7 people?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307762#Comment_118307762

It's also down to regular hospital beds, not just ICU, we're all restricted, the extra restrictions on the unvaccinated is due to them taking up a disproportionate amount of COVID hospital capacity regardless of which category TimeLadsPlease has them in.

Also, take up of the vaccine among those with underlying conditions has been very high so it's likely that the conditions aren't that severe among the unvaccinated hospitalised.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307762#Comment_118307762

We don't know what ages for anyone but I may have read there are 40 pregnant unvaxxed women in ICU,lets say almost half of everyone in ICU is pregnant but unvaxxed.

I was surprised at that figure, so a quick google and yes, 34 unvaccinated pregnant women have been in ICU..... for the entire year. Not currently in ICU. That's a massive difference.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/none-of-35-pregnant-women-with-covid-19-in-icu-were-fully-vaccinated-report-1.4722994

d22ontour

I only get the numbers from here, people complain they use April numbers as they should be more up to date. You can't blame the unvaxxed for the reduction in bed spaces we currently have due to gross mismanagement by our current and previous governments. We had more bed spaces in the 80s but now we have less but our population has grown 1m ? Overfunded and poorly managed HSE has us were we are.

20b a year with the amount of staff per population compared to any other EU state is horrific.

Hego Damask

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59625302

So my original post about this seems to be deleted, I don't know why.

Anyway, I like the way BBC are just dismissing this as "far right".

People are waking up to this tyranny, it's about time too ..

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307837#Comment_118307837

Whose They?

Most if not all figures have been recent, as in the last week or currently. People who don't want to believe the figures assume the figures are since April, but they get called out with the most recent figures.

Yes the HSE is run badly, yes we don't get value for money etc.... nobody will argue with that.

That's not going to be changed overnight or during a pandemic, it seems like a scapegoat lately.

It's what we have at the moment and pointing out it's failings won't end the pandemic any sooner.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118307927#Comment_118307927

Strange the BBC aren't leading about Johnson looking at mandatory vaccinations.

He only said it warrants a discussion, but of course Ursula said the same and received a little different press coverage.

Real Donald Trump

1 word Florida crusing it without any restrictions? this must be very upsetting to the covid faithful?

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118308193#Comment_118308193

They have killed off over 62K to get there!