Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298858#Comment_118298858

All that and you didn't answer the central point that the unvaccinated description isn't enough for a lot of the unvaccinated themselves and sends threads into whataboutery, but look, you can be the arbiter next time it comes up :)

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298819#Comment_118298819

Restrictions didn't work so we needed a vaccine. Vaccines didn't work well enough so we still need restrictions..so we will get more vaccines which will then need more restrictions to increase vaccine up take..rinse and repeat. 2 years lad...2 years.

Restrictions never stopped the rise of the virus.

Case numbers in Sweden peaked in January the same time they peaked here. Then dropped in summer.

Virus gonna virus.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298878#Comment_118298878

We know restrictions work, we also know to look at each countries factors as to why somehow their numbers are different (e.g. Sweden being comparatively worse than their neighbours).

But if you want a thread that the vaccines are ineffective and restrictions don't work, you're probably better off starting one on that topic rather than putting easily disproven nonsense into all the other threads as it also undermines the good points you make.

@JRant case in point.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298755#Comment_118298755

Very true

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298824#Comment_118298824

Nothing disingenuous, at all, about highlighting the continued unhealthy need some have to invent scenarios to get outraged at.

francogarbanzo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298819#Comment_118298819

How about “pro choice”?

M_Murphy57

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298858#Comment_118298858

Excellent post.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298978#Comment_118298978

Sadly I'd expect the opposite result here

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299215#Comment_118299215

A not insignificant portion of the unvaccinated are very much not “pro choice”, spending their time telling everyone who will listen that the vaccines are dangerous and will cause all sorts of side effects. The pivot towards a “pro choice” face was only when it was blatantly obvious to anyone and everyone than the serious effects being predicted by the “pro choice” did not occur.

But of course they have the right to choose. The right to choose does not give immunity from being called a charlatan, idiot or both though.

My own suggestion for this subgroup of the unvaccinated is the “Anti-factxers”

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299238#Comment_118299238

Do you see any room in this world of yours for earth mothers, homeopaths, alternative medicine practitioners any more? Everyone has to lay down and take it? Despite life long held convictions to never put products that they believe not of natural origin in their bodies?

All just antivax idiots?

I'm vaccinated, not really an alternative therapies kinda person but there's more than just followers of Facebook groups with their reasons for not taking vaccines.

We've decided they've no place anymore and they are the root of all our ills.

Sickens me to be honest

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298874#Comment_118298874

I didn't answer that because it's not what we were talking about. Sure, look, knock yourself out, call people whatever you like, it's just not my cup of tea.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299244#Comment_118299244

You may not have noticed I said a "subgroup of the unvaccinated"

The below would represent some of the views on the matter

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299345#Comment_118299345

Where do the people who have had covid, recovered, understand that they have good levels of antibodies 5months post infection (did a test) and do not agree that any person, government, institution should be allowed to dictate where they can and cannot go based on their choice that the vaccine is just not need for them fit into your little drawing?

You like to say things like "well choices have consequences" that would be all well and good if private businesses wanted to implement their own requirements for entry, but the reality is that they don't want to check peoples medical status.

Example:

Gyms weren't checking passes since they re opened. Only due to a directive do they now do it. That isn't the gyms choice.

So to say that your choices have consequences and then not allow businesses to free choose if they want to use passes or not isnt a choice. Thats pure coercion.

Choices have consequences why not expand that to everything you don't agree with that takes up hospital beds. Because its not about being infectious since both vaccinated and unvaccinated can do spread covid (and now omicron at closer level)

So ban fat people. They are a bigger burden to the health system and people who need hospital beds.

mikekerry

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118298627#Comment_118298627

Nobody was suggesting vaccine passports were going to be introduced a year ago either ( apart from the "conspiracy theorists" who said it was on the way) yet here we are Passports extended now till march with a clause to extend to june and you can be sure they will be extended after that.

If austria and germany are doing mandatory vaccinations you can be sure our boys here are itching to bring it in also.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299470#Comment_118299470

There was a non conspiracy thread on this forum about them. Vaccine passports are NOT a conspiracy, why they are being used if not for public health would be the conspiracy (and 0 of the theorists have explained that bit).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299427#Comment_118299427

It may have been missed in all the noise, but I have stated at least 10 times on these threads, that at this stage, I believe vaccine certs serve no purpose. Its still not an excuse for ignorance

Jinglejangle69

The journal has a poll this morning where the majority think the schools should close early.

Shows the country is much different to this thread.

Its like an addiction to restrictions and been told what they can and can't do.

Depressing.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299637#Comment_118299637

It is not really that surprising. People have been going this way for a while. Some folks just don't want to have the hassle of making decisions for themselves and are happy to turn that over to someone else to do it for them.

Just look at how anyone who goes against the flow or questions decisions are labeled and ridiculed. You see it on here where anyone that questions the decisions that have been made are labeled all sort for conspiracy theorists nuts, anti vaxxers and there was another label yesterday but can't remember that. Also look at how some people want to not treat anyone who is unvaccinated. Some folks need to take a reality check.

mikekerry

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299484#Comment_118299484

They are used as a coercein tool to get people to take the jab. The leak even admitted this a couple of days ago - "he said at the very least they have encouraged more people to get vaccinated" i.e. block people from partaking in parts of society until they get the jab.

It has nothing to do with anyone's health.

darced

What is to stop someone using another persons covid cert? What shows up when the pass is scanned? Can someone not just flash a screenshot of someone else's?

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299705#Comment_118299705

"They are used as coercein [sic] tool to get people to take the jab."

"This has nothing to do with anyone's health."

Surely if it encourages more people to take the jab, then it has everything to do with people's health?

Pepsirebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299705#Comment_118299705

Why do they go with threats, etc???

I can't get that mentality. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar

Treat people like adults & they will act like adults or am I too naive altogether

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299705#Comment_118299705

Why do you think they want people to get vaccinated other than for public health reasons?

mikekerry

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299891#Comment_118299891

I don't get that mentality either.

Why do they keep extending the emergency legislation?

Once governments get a taste of power usually they are not willing to give those powers up.

mikekerry

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299996#Comment_118299996

No idea to be honest.

lee_baby_simms

Sorry if this is public knowledge but I couldn’t find it.

Has there been any suggestion here that covid certs will be invalidated after a certain time has lapsed since vaccination in the same way it does after recovery following infection?

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299852#Comment_118299852

Your name comes up when scanned. They are supposed to check your ID. However more places will let you show a bank card with your name on it.

Lads got turned away from Eddie Rockets even though they all had passes but a couple had no ID on them.

Stupid tbh. Thankfully money talks and a table of 4 lads is close to a hundred euro. Do that multiple times and your bottom line is getting hit.

Thankfully my local pub couldn't give a ****.

noraos

Happy Human Rights Day!

How apt from Martin Luther King Jr.

''“A right delayed is a right denied.” - Martin Luther King, Jr.''

These restrictions, however temporary or no matter how you view them, (as necessary or not).. are still a restriction on our daily lives.. a restriction on our personal growth and development, a restriction on our culture and on our rights.. and this is the issue that alot of peeople are against, with passes, restrictions and mandatory vacccine's ...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299891#Comment_118299891

Fear is crucial for state authority. When the population is filled with it, they will acquiesce to virtually any power the government seeks to acquire in the name of keeping them safe. But when fear is lacking, citizens will crave liberty more than control, and that is when they question official claims and actions. When that starts to happen, when the public feels too secure, institutions of authority will reflexively find new ways to ensure they stay engulfed by fear and thus quiescent.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118300071#Comment_118300071

The ‘sunk cost fallacy’ is a well known one. World War 1 is the classic example. By Christmas 1914 it was obvious to all that the war was a catastrophe, but to admit this was to admit that all the lives lost had been lost pointlessly. And no country would confess that.